Expansion of the Women's Competition

[Bojackhorseman]

Here's a crazy thought.... what if the WNRL acepted a joint-venture Sydney team in the competition?

Say, a team 50-50 owned by the Penthers and Tigers (West Sydney Lynx, anyone?). A partnership like that could be a first step to closer ties between the mens teams.. not necessarily the first step in a merger of the men's teams... but things like reciprocal ticketing, player trade arrangements, etc...

Like that idea.

 

[siv]

The nrl has a strategy too. It’s about playing quality games and growing steadily. Aflw is constantly criticised for its poor quality with many games having negligible tv ratings as a result. There are other women’s national comps we can learn from. Slavishly copying a sport that manufactures heroes and headlines isn’t a good idea.

The only strategy on show is one that provides a TV content replacement for NYC in the finals

The true rep quality standard series that is representative of ALL women playing, occurs in June. Than trying rebadge the same series in September with selected NRL jerseys

 

[Bojackhorseman]

The only strategy on show is one that provides a TV content replacement for NYC in the finals

The true rep quality standard series that is representative of ALL women playing, occurs in June. Than trying rebadge the same series in September with selected NRL jerseys

What a pessimist view. And your answer? Slavishly copy the aflw? Not a deep thinker are we siv?

 

[mongoose]

AFL have a strategy and pushing ahead even if it takes time to develop

Their target is simply to have 18 teams represented by women's team

Something NRL could also achieve as most NSW NRL clubs are playing in the W-NSWRL comp these days

18 teams? lol just shows the AFL doesn't care about the quality of its women's comp (sexism) just wants to show off its metrics and get govt funding. It will come crashing down when the womens AFL fad dies off

 

[Stallion]

18 teams? lol just shows the AFL doesn't care about the quality of its women's comp (sexism) just wants to show off its metrics and get govt funding. It will come crashing down when the womens AFL fad dies off

Maybe not! It may be that many females see they have a bigger chance to make this more inclusive set up. More clubs equals more opportunity. The 'quality ' theme is a myth. Its an "eye of the beholder" viewpoint. Cold hard facts: You get more playing: You get more interest. The sport may be crap but it's got more people on board. That's growth.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

18 teams? lol just shows the AFL doesn't care about the quality of its women's comp (sexism) just wants to show off its metrics and get govt funding. It will come crashing down when the womens AFL fad dies off

That’s right mate. It’s all about perception. Quality doesn’t matter. I’m not sure we’ve got our process right yet but as usual all the afl cares is about headlines.

 

[mongoose]

Maybe not! It may be that many females see they have a bigger chance to make this more inclusive set up. More clubs equals more opportunity. The 'quality ' theme is a myth. Its an "eye of the beholder" viewpoint. Cold hard facts: You get more playing: You get more interest. The sport may be crap but it's got more people on board. That's growth.

isn't the whole idea of professional sport to be exclusive? where the hell are they going to get 14 teams worth of decent quality female players, let alone 18? it makes the game nothing more than a novelty if just anyone can sign up. I remember last AFLW season it got hammered by quite a few people for being poor quality, the 14 team comp is going to be crucified. Anyway I f**king hate AFL and will laugh when it happens.

 

[Stallion]

isn't the whole idea of professional sport to be exclusive? where the hell are they going to get 14 teams worth of decent quality female players, let alone 18? it makes the game nothing more than a novelty if just anyone can sign up. I remember last AFLW season it got hammered by quite a few people for being poor quality, the 14 team comp is going to be crucified. Anyway I f**king hate AFL and will laugh when it happens.

Looks like a numbers game. I regard "AFL" as a glorified training run. So it's moreso that organisation is being inclusive. Rugby league is giving that code a head start and hopefully the team numbers grow very quickly as far NRLW is concerned. It's a race and the other codes are doing their bit to gain the female participation. Rugby league needs to use its current established cultural advantage and get the WNRL looking like an inclusive and relevant competition quickly. At the moment 4 teams is embarassing!

 

[siv]

What a pessimist view. And your answer? Slavishly copy the aflw? Not a deep thinker are we siv?

Revert Easts and Steelers back to W-NSWRL
and hold a W-NSWRL premiers v W-QRL premiers match on GF day

 

[siv]

18 teams? lol just shows the AFL doesn't care about the quality of its women's comp (sexism) just wants to show off its metrics and get govt funding. It will come crashing down when the womens AFL fad dies off

Womens RU has been going on worldwide since the 1990s

And in RL contiues to take off world wide

The question is
- do you want a women's comp that reflects the NRL
- or do you want a regional representative championship

 

[Perth Red]

18 teams? lol just shows the AFL doesn't care about the quality of its women's comp (sexism) just wants to show off its metrics and get govt funding. It will come crashing down when the womens AFL fad dies off

You really dont understand the AFL do you? This "fad" is reaping great rewards and will continue to be grown to benefit their game. Like the mens expansion they start at the top and use it drive the rest of the business for long term strategic gains.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

You really dont understand the AFL do you? This "fad" is reaping great rewards and will continue to be grown to benefit their game. Like the mens expansion they start at the top and use it drive the rest of the business for long term strategic gains.

We get what they are attempting to do but,I’m sorry, I’m not convinced what they are doing makes sense on this occasion. In my view they are rushing this. Tv ratings for many of their games are dreadful, and the second problem is they are now going to have to pay an increasingly aggressive new cohort of players wages which will increase exponentially in the near future.
Being ultra aggressive in a sporting market like ours is rife with danger.
The reaction from other sports will be interesting. Being a bully boy has a history of failure. And the afl are bully boys.

 

[Perth Red]

We get what they are attempting to do but,I’m sorry, I’m not convinced what they are doing makes sense on this occasion. In my view they are rushing this. Tv ratings for many of their games are dreadful, and the second problem is they are now going to have to pay an increasingly aggressive new cohort of players wages which will increase exponentially in the near future.
Being ultra aggressive in a sporting market like ours is rife with danger.
The reaction from other sports will be interesting. Being a bully boy has a history of failure. And the afl are bully boys.

A big part of the difference in crowds is how AFL attracts women and girls to games. Go to an AFL game and it is very diverse in gender, much more than NRL games imo. The whole womens AFL thing is designed to achieve a number of outcomes. Quality of game and tv audience sit well down the list of priorities. Look at the companies jumping on board: https://womens.afl/partners
Womnes team sport is set to be massive in participation

 

[Bojackhorseman]

A big part of the difference in crowds is how AFL attracts women and girls to games. Go to an AFL game and it is very diverse in gender, much more than NRL games imo. The whole womens AFL thing is designed to achieve a number of outcomes. Quality of game and tv audience sit well down the list of priorities. Look at the companies jumping on board: https://womens.afl/partners
Womnes team sport is set to be massive in participation

Seriously mate I get it. I just think it’s a flawed strategy long term. You can only get away with bs for so long. And a lot of what the afl Is throwing around here is utter bs.
The afl is hanging it’s hat on forcing cultural change via puff stories and throwing millions of dollars around like confetti.
That creates a shallow layer of growth and it doesn’t appear to be growing its tv audience in new markets which is, after all, where a lot of the money is.
The other issue is it has nowhere to go. International experiments have failed and that will continue.
Long term, international sports will thrive because of naturally bigger market share.

As for the future of women’s sport we’ll see.

 

[Perth Red]

Seriously mate I get it. I just think it’s a flawed strategy long term. You can only get away with bs for so long. And a lot of what the afl Is throwing around here is utter bs.
The afl is hanging it’s hat on forcing cultural change via puff stories and throwing millions of dollars around like confetti.
That creates a shallow layer of growth and it doesn’t appear to be growing its tv audience in new markets which is, after all, where a lot of the money is.
The other issue is it has nowhere to go. International experiments have failed and that will continue.
Long term, international sports will thrive because of naturally bigger market share.

As for the future of women’s sport we’ll see.

Time will tell, it will either go the way of AFLX or it will keep on its trajectory and be a major plus for the AFL game in lots of different ways. Lets be honest the only reason NRL hasn't gone this hard with the womens game is A) it wont spend as much money on it and B) it is small minded.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Time will tell, it will either go the way of AFLX or it will keep on its trajectory and be a major plus for the AFL game in lots of different ways. Lets be honest the only reason NRL hasn't gone this hard with the womens game is A) it wont spend as much money on it and B) it is small minded.

Don’t disagree but I wonder whether hanging back wasn’t a bad idea. We’ve got tests and origins. They don’t. Building steadily into those markets through a women’s comp over a 12 week season might be the idea. Playing women’s afl over summer has already seen cricket respond and the aflw ratings were clearly impacted last year.

 

[mongoose]

A big part of the difference in crowds is how AFL attracts women and girls to games. Go to an AFL game and it is very diverse in gender, much more than NRL games imo. The whole womens AFL thing is designed to achieve a number of outcomes. Quality of game and tv audience sit well down the list of priorities. Look at the companies jumping on board: https://womens.afl/partners
Womnes team sport is set to be massive in participation

Living in Brisbane I can only speak for the Broncos but their crowds would easily be close to 50/50 split between men and women. I go to some Titans games and when there is a crowd it's not severely outnumbered by males. Can't speak for any other teams though.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Living in Brisbane I can only speak for the Broncos but their crowds would easily be close to 50/50 split between men and women. I go to some Titans games and when there is a crowd it's not severely outnumbered by males. Can't speak for any other teams though.

Tigers and sharks for me. Good healthy break up of women and men.

 

[mongoose]

You really dont understand the AFL do you? This "fad" is reaping great rewards and will continue to be grown to benefit their game. Like the mens expansion they start at the top and use it drive the rest of the business for long term strategic gains.

Do you realize there is only 8 Super netball teams. Netball would have far higher participation than womens AFL across all levels. Netball is also played in several other countries with NZ, England, South Africa and Jamaica all being strong.
Why doesn't netball expand to 20 teams? they probably have the player base to actually do it.

 

[Bojackhorseman]

Do you realize there is only 8 Super netball teams. Netball would have far higher participation than womens AFL across all levels. Netball is also played in several other countries with NZ, England, South Africa and Jamaica all being strong.
Why doesn't netball expand to 20 teams? they probably have the player base to actually do it.

Yep. This pandering to every afl publicity stunt wears thin after a while. We need to build a comp that suits our game and ignore the look at me crap that the afl spews out.