Explain - No Manchester Super League ?

[WireMan]

It doesn't really exist?!
It's an official ceremonial county. It very much does exist.


I have a few friends from Oldham who class themselves as Manchester. Greater Manchester is not Manchester, but you could say you are from Manchester as an abbreviation of Greater Manchester very easily.
Your other example, St Helens isn't in Liverpool in any way. Merseyside is not Liverpool. Merseyside is another ceremonial county. To say Merseyside and Liverpool are the same place is completely incorrect.
Leigh is a part of the Wigan Metropolitan Borough. It's not a part of Wigan (the town) but is a part of Wigan (the borough).


Are you trying to tell me there are no Wigan supporters in Leigh? If so, you're speaking rubbish. Just because you're from Leigh doesn't mean you automatically have to support Leigh. You don't pop out with a Centurions shirt on at birth. People can have links to wherever they like in whichever way they feel. There are tonnes of people in Leigh that class themselves as from Wigan. It's only because of the RL rivalry that certain people won't class themselves as it.


The thread isn't about Dream Super Leagues in the slightest. That's called "thread drift" and it deflects from the actual topic discussion. It's just good forum practice, fella.

Well someone is grumpy.


It doesn't exist. It was an invention for government. Manchester is not an abbreviation of Greater Manchester. Peope from Oldham who say they are from Manchester probably grew up gong to Manc alot. No one from Wigan would say there from Manchester.

If Wigan is in Manchester, then St Helens is in Liverpool. Neither are from Neither. People will only say they are from the city when talking to people who don't know about places as its easier to locate Manchester or Liverpool on a map.


As for the hissy fit about supporters being from Leigh etc. Where did i say they must support Leigh? Stop making up rubbish. I said that taking the population of the borough to measure potential support is silly as just because technically you live in the borough of somewhere doesn't mean you have any connection to the town.

 

[WireMan]

I believe thats what will happen and there are plans to create a super Manchester region which will funnily enough include Warrington and Macclesfield! hehe

No chance. We have been invited once. Said no.


The whole of the region doesn't revolve around Manchester, only Mancs think that.

 

[VictoryFC]

Interesting debate. Even though I don't live in the country, I've always viewed Greater Manchester as the metropolitan area which sucks in all the satellite towns. Really, I see it no different to Sydney. All you have to do to pretend is places like Penrith, Campbelltown etc are towns by their own right. Here we just consider them suburbs (although not everyone does).

The thing that Australian's can't get their head around is the sheer proximity of these places. Even when you see England on a map, it still never really dawns on you how small it really is.

For anyone interested, here are the biggest conurbations/metro areas in England:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_United_Kingdom_settlements_by_population

 

[bowes]

The City of Sydney situation is slightly different. That's more akin to London and the City of London. London is a city as well, and the City of London is a city within London (itself a city). Greater Manchester is not a city.

London as a whole isn't a city, it's a region I think technically (was a county). London and Westminster are 2 cities within London and Southwark want to become a 3rd but haven't yet.

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

Interesting debate. Even though I don't live in the country, I've always viewed Greater Manchester as the metropolitan area which sucks in all the satellite towns. Really, I see it no different to Sydney. All you have to do to pretend is places like Penrith, Campbelltown etc are towns by their own right. Here we just consider them suburbs (although not everyone does).

Thats exactly how I have always seen it and I was born in Manchester and lived there for 30-odd years. There is no really other way to see it.

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

Just read something about Greater Manchester getting "city region status" in 2009. Not quite sure what that means, whether they are actually a city or not (apparently Bolton and Blackpool are applying to become cities in 2012 as well as part of the Queen's jubilee).

Gtr Manchester will ultimate become 'Manchester' with an elected mayor like London.

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

London as a whole isn't a city, it's a region I think technically (was a county). London and Westminster are 2 cities within London and Southwark want to become a 3rd but haven't yet.

I think London is all three: a city, county and region. It's considered a global city, I know that.

 

[RL1908]

http://reds.originalreddevils.com/2011/02/07/reds-launch-rugby-club-of-manchester/

Reds Launch Rugby Club of Manchester
February 7, 2011 by Paul Mc

AA new concept in rugby is coming to Manchester and If you thought your rugby playing days were no more, then look no further.

The Rugby Club of Manchester is launched today, with its big opening fixture taking place on Friday 25 February at Rosso in Manchester City Centre and will pull together local rugby fans of both codes from the Manchester business world for an afternoon of fine dining, business networking and rugby based entertainment.

Taking on the format of any traditional club side, with a committee and its own logo featuring the worker bee, synonymous with the City of Manchester, The Rugby Club of Manchester will provide an excellent networking opportunity for all who attend, as well as the chance to talk about the merits of the 13 and 15 a-side games.

Salford City Reds’ Mark Brocklehurst said:
“There has been fantastic interest in this idea locally after we talked to a few local businesses prior to Christmas.

“The concept is something a bit different, with the four confirmed ‘fixtures’ this year allowing us the opportunity to bring Manchester’s rugby fans together in one room for an afternoon of rugby entertainment and networking”

With long line of rugby personalities pencilled in to lead the entertainment throughout 2011, Reds’ legend David Watkins will be attending the launch to tell all about his famous GB Lions and Wales exploits.

The only man to captain both the GB & Irish Lions Union side and the Great Britain League side, David has some fantastic stories about his decision to ‘move North’ from Welsh rugby and his more recent involvement with the Newport club side.

Tickets for this exclusive event are priced at £25 per person which includes a drinks reception from 1pm and three course lunch beginning at 2pm..

To register your interest or for more information about The Rugby Club of Manchester, please contact a member of the team via 0161 737 0610 or email:

 

[Jankuloski]

Very interesting.. A club in Manchester AND cross code cooperation :-k

 

[RedVee]

Whats with the worker bee?

 

[nadera78]

Whats with the worker bee?

It's the only thing in Manchester with a job.

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Could this be the next cross-code club? Manchester Reds and Manchester Sharks at Salford Stadium?...

 

[Evil Homer]

Could this be the next cross-code club? Manchester Reds and Manchester Sharks at Salford Stadium?...

No.

 

[nadera78]

It's a business club, designed for local businessmen and the like to meet up a couple of times a year for dinner and a drink. Networking dear boy, networking.

 

[RedVee]

It's the only thing in Manchester with a job.

Ok? :?

Next?

 

[WireMan]

Gtr Manchester will ultimate become 'Manchester' with an elected mayor like London.

:lol:

The Salford Quays in Manchester? Wigan Pier in Manchester?

No chance.

If Manchester wants a major they can have one, i doubt the towns and cities surrounding it will be happy though.

Given that the council can't even afford swimming pools at the mo, i doubt getting a major will be high on the agenda.

No.

Good answer.

Didn't they try it once already with Sale Sharks? Try to make them the Manchester Sale Sharks. Both Manchester RU and Sale RU objected to it so it was a no go.

 

[Jason Maher]

The way we define cities in Australia, Greater Manchester would be classed as one big city. As would whatever the area around Liverpool is called (Scum City maybe?). The Poms though classify things differently. If Sydney were in England, the various city council areas would be classed as different towns (or boroughs).

The thing is, historically all the boroughs were separate towns, and physically, not just in name. The Poms have hung on to the distinctions, while we have just blended into big sprawling metropolises. This difference is no doubt due to the towns in England having histories going back a couple of thousand years rather than a couple of hundred.

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

The way we define cities in Australia, Greater Manchester would be classed as one big city. As would whatever the area around Liverpool is called (Scum City maybe?). The Poms though classify things differently. If Sydney were in England, the various city council areas would be classed as different towns (or boroughs).

Not so sure. Like I say, London is classed as a city and has it's own boroughs with councils within it. I'd say it was similar to that.

Does Australia have counties?

The thing is, historically all the boroughs were separate towns, and physically, not just in name. The Poms have hung on to the distinctions, while we have just blended into big sprawling metropolises. This difference is no doubt due to the towns in England having histories going back a couple of thousand years rather than a couple of hundred.

That's probably the deal most likely. That, and the stubborn nature of British people to change anything!

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Double post

 

[RedVee]

Not so sure. Like I say, London is classed as a city and has it's own boroughs with councils within it. I'd say it was similar to that.

Does Australia have counties?


That's probably the deal most likely. That, and the stubborn nature of British people to change anything!

States and Territories are our equivilent to County, though a bit bigger.