What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Financial position according to SMH

newman

First Grade
Messages
7,207
Sharks up against tough opponents: St George … Bank

Jacquelin Magnay | May 7, 2009

CRONULLA Sutherland Leagues Club and the Sharks football club are paralysed by short-term debt of more than $11 million.
And the clubs' banker, St George Bank is so concerned about the cash the club is burning that there has been serious talks about the terms of ongoing credit, including restricting the football club to just $250,000 a year.
The clubs combined for an operating loss of $1.4m last year, and it is increasingly apparent they are struggling to trade their way out of debt, putting their future firmly at the whim of the bank.
Auditors have expressed grave doubts about the ongoing viability of both the football and leagues clubs.
Last year the leagues club, which made a small operating profit, put itself in the red by giving the football club a grant of $2,572,000, an increase of 70 per cent on the previous year.
The amount of cash in the bank decreased by $8m, leaving the club more than $2m in the red as at October 31. However it is understood that amount of money owed has increased substantially in the past few months as the football club has struggled with poor crowds at home games.
The Sharks more than doubled their debt in the past year, increasing the current liabilities of the football club to $8.99m and the leagues club to $6.43m.
That cash crisis has forced the Sharks to urgently seek guaranteed sources of income to satisfy the bankers that the football club and the leagues club can operate as a going concern.
The total assets of the club are valued at $36.58m. In the annual report sent to members, auditor Robert Peck of BDO Kendalls said the ability of the company to continue as a going concern was dependent on the support of the bank.
He said the club might be required to realise its assets and extinguish its liabilities at amounts different from those stated in the financial statements. In other words, a fire sale.
 

pommy shark

Juniors
Messages
23
Lets have a closer look at the accounts: (assuming footy club is the only subsidiary of note)

The $8m drop in cash was spent on the Southern Stand so that disapearing is no shock

$35m in property being $22m leagues club , $13m shark park - we spent $9m on the ground last year - is this undervalued?? - seems it is to me..says ET stand and PB stands worth only $4m unless PB stand is part of leagues club???

$13m in liabilities being near $10m leagues club, $4m footy club - the club has a big problem its cash flow won't service its debt.

The leagues club is deeper in the brown stuff than the footy club - this is where our problem lies - the leagues club will not be able to trade its way out of its debts despite making $1.7m profit before tax and grants to footy.

There are many issues raised in the accounts
  • Falling pokie machine sales
  • stagnant sales in other areas
  • $1.2m gate receipts at footy is a scary number
  • The club gets $4.1m sponsors, $1.2m gate, $2.6m leagues club grant and $3.4m NRL = $11million income and loses money - boys you need to cut the costs somehow
REgarding the club itself it seems to me Sharkies is not the place to be any more - its sales and cash flow are not good - compare it to Tradies who can generate so much cash as to buy the Caringbah RSL and be constantly rebiulding itself

The only fix from the Directors seems to be to gamble 100's of millions on a property deal to enable the leagues club to hopefully get a dividend from the property company - then they will hopefully pass a grant to the footy club. IMO the gamble is too big to be funded and the time span too long for the club to work it through.

Remember stage 1 sees the the leagues club sell the car park to Woolooware Bay Pty and its investors (who dont exist as yet) - the car park won't be worth much and the buildings will take years to be put up and generate cash - even purchases off the plan are not guaranteed cash ask all the players who have stuffed up trying to get in on fail safe property deals in the past.

There is a parallel to Parramatta - all assets no cash and no cash flow - only logical answer seems to be to do a sale and leaseback of the assets - (once the development is approved and the land goes up in value as a result).

The road is long and I cannot see either the club or footy team getting by while they own the assets - neither can cover their debts - in accounting term there is risk regarding the business as a going concern.

Honestly - best to sell for cash and get $35+ mill less tax as cash plus $2m a year interest and then get a cost structure that allows for profits based on renting the buildings and possibly getting a cut of theproperty development if the sale included a joint venture deal. If we dont the cclub and footy team will die - Zapps does not lie.
 

blacktip-reefy

Immortal
Messages
34,079
Honestly - best to sell for cash and get $35+ mill less tax as cash plus $2m a year interest and then get a cost structure that allows for profits based on renting the buildings and possibly getting a cut of theproperty development if the sale included a joint venture deal. If we dont the cclub and footy team will die - Zapps does not lie.

Sell what?
 
Messages
3,877
The clubs combined for an operating loss of $1.4m last year

Good start. Consolidated loss was $1.4m this year.

The amount of cash in the bank decreased by $8m, leaving the club more than $2m in the red as at October 31.

$2m is the excess of the bank overdraft over cash reserves. You can probably infer this from the sentence but it's misleading. It neither represents the total amount of liabilities that the club has nor does it represent the net equity position of the club.

The Sharks more than doubled their debt in the past year, increasing the current liabilities of the football club to $8.99m and the leagues club to $6.43m.

Simply wrong.

Current liabilities are 12,347,046 for the consolidated entity (i.e. Leagues Club, Footy Club & Property Group) and 8,445,999 for the Leagues Club itself. The numbers in the article are the current financial liabilities (i.e. members' deposits, bank overdraft, bank loan and lease liabilities) for the consolidated group and the leagues club. I don't know where Magnay got the idea that the "Consolidated" column represents the football club.


The total assets of the club are valued at $36.58m.

Correct.
 

SirShire

First Grade
Messages
5,412
Spide, why has the Leagues grant dropped form ~$2.5m to ~$250,000 as reported in the media? Has Leagues revenue declined or is that all going to servicing debt?
 

spider

Coach
Messages
15,841
why has the Leagues grant dropped form ~$2.5m to ~$250,000 as reported in the media? Has Leagues revenue declined or is that all going to servicing debt?
inability to service the debt nowdays i guess

reading the reports cash flow doesn't look good, therefore little or no reinvestment into the club side of the business

from reading further on in the reports, the leagues actually traded quite well considering new legislation and what other clubs are reporting losses from

check out panthers and easts reports for their leagues clubs last year

this is one of the reasons both entities require their own board

the leagues club opertaing profit only dropped by $100k on the previous year

but the football grant increased 70% on the previous year - to $2.5m from $1.5m

i guess it became too hard to keep juggling the money

Review of Operations


Football Club 2008 (8,962)

Football Club 2007 (408,610)

footy club is trading fine....

 

pommy shark

Juniors
Messages
23
Sell what?

Sadly the club or footy team needs to sell some of the property to generate cash because neither the leagues club or footy team are capable of getting enough cash through their books in the short term to pacify bankers. As we all know this has to be last resort which is about where we are.

ST George / Westpac will not sit by and let debts mount when cash flow is dropping - if we are not proactive they will force a sale of property at prices less than the club could have gotten if the cash position were not front page news.

The only saving grace may be the sh*t PR Westpac would get if they roll the Sharks.

IMO the extra 1/2 mill gained from playing 5 games at CC per year is not enough to keep the wolf from the door, especially if what is left of the Shire fanbase finally gives up on teh footyteam and Shark Park remains empty.
 

DJDL

Bench
Messages
4,933
Cheesie, are you on facebook?

If you are I thought you might like a "tweek" I was shown the other day:-

When you're logged in scroll right to the bottom of the page.
You'll see a link, next to "Facebook copright 2009", which says "English (US)"
Click the link and select "English (Pirate)"

Funniest facebook thing ever!!
 
Messages
2,016
Lets have a closer look at the accounts: (assuming footy club is the only subsidiary of note)

The $8m drop in cash was spent on the Southern Stand so that disapearing is no shock

$35m in property being $22m leagues club , $13m shark park - we spent $9m on the ground last year - is this undervalued?? - seems it is to me..says ET stand and PB stands worth only $4m unless PB stand is part of leagues club???

How long ago were the decisions taken to spend the money on the ground? Seems a waste of money if the declining crowds were already foreseen by the club (of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing!)

Valuation of a football ground poses some interesting questions particularly if it is hardly used - the money spent on the stand/s if not generating revenue through enabling bigger crowds is basically worth nothing. In fact if the ground becomes unused or hardly used, I'd suggest its true value is just the land value - the improvements are worth nothing if you don't use the ground for a footy team (in fact its likely the land is worth less than what a vacant block would be - any buyer would need to spend money demolishing the stands and other improvements before they could do anything useful they might want the land for).
 

Hanscholo

Bench
Messages
4,818
Lets have a closer look at the accounts: (assuming footy club is the only subsidiary of note)

The $8m drop in cash was spent on the Southern Stand so that disapearing is no shock

$35m in property being $22m leagues club , $13m shark park - we spent $9m on the ground last year - is this undervalued?? - seems it is to me..says ET stand and PB stands worth only $4m unless PB stand is part of leagues club???

$13m in liabilities being near $10m leagues club, $4m footy club - the club has a big problem its cash flow won't service its debt.

The leagues club is deeper in the brown stuff than the footy club - this is where our problem lies - the leagues club will not be able to trade its way out of its debts despite making $1.7m profit before tax and grants to footy.



There are many issues raised in the accounts
  • Falling pokie machine sales
  • stagnant sales in other areas
  • $1.2m gate receipts at footy is a scary number
  • The club gets $4.1m sponsors, $1.2m gate, $2.6m leagues club grant and $3.4m NRL = $11million income and loses money - boys you need to cut the costs somehow
REgarding the club itself it seems to me Sharkies is not the place to be any more - its sales and cash flow are not good - compare it to Tradies who can generate so much cash as to buy the Caringbah RSL and be constantly rebiulding itself

The only fix from the Directors seems to be to gamble 100's of millions on a property deal to enable the leagues club to hopefully get a dividend from the property company - then they will hopefully pass a grant to the footy club. IMO the gamble is too big to be funded and the time span too long for the club to work it through.

Remember stage 1 sees the the leagues club sell the car park to Woolooware Bay Pty and its investors (who dont exist as yet) - the car park won't be worth much and the buildings will take years to be put up and generate cash - even purchases off the plan are not guaranteed cash ask all the players who have stuffed up trying to get in on fail safe property deals in the past.

There is a parallel to Parramatta - all assets no cash and no cash flow - only logical answer seems to be to do a sale and leaseback of the assets - (once the development is approved and the land goes up in value as a result).

The road is long and I cannot see either the club or footy team getting by while they own the assets - neither can cover their debts - in accounting term there is risk regarding the business as a going concern.

Honestly - best to sell for cash and get $35+ mill less tax as cash plus $2m a year interest and then get a cost structure that allows for profits based on renting the buildings and possibly getting a cut of theproperty development if the sale included a joint venture deal. If we dont the cclub and footy team will die - Zapps does not lie.

operating losses and cash flow problems are far more important than valuations and balance sheet items. The fact is, that if you wanted to sell the southern stand you couldnt, its an asset that has no liquid value.

Did the sharks really spend 8 million on that stand? their money? not the gov or a grant of some type? I cannot believe they would piss money away on something that offers nothing in return.
 

spider

Coach
Messages
15,841
Did the sharks really spend 8 million on that stand? their money? not the gov or a grant of some type? I cannot believe they would piss money away on something that offers nothing in return



^^^^^^
 
Top