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Fixtures for JB Cup this week - who knows?

Nfed

Juniors
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Don't blame you metroman. I've been watching this from a distance, and I've got no idea why Jeffles and Brook are so passionate about belittling JB Cup - and anyone who disagrees with them.

PS Brook - your team are the "Hawks", not the "Hawkes". Every time I read that it makes me think of a team of silver haired bodgies with blood on their hands.
 

Fred Flintstone

Juniors
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How easily we forget !!!

Newtown win a few on the trot in the Premier League and all of a sudden we want to bash up the JBC.

Let us just calm down and remember that if it was not for the Metro Cup, Newtown would never had developed the opportunities that they are now grabbing hold of with two hands and running up the field.

It took plenty of blood sweat and tears in the Metro Cup to put Newtown where they are now, and there are still 17 Newtown boys there every week doing their level best even if they are struggling a bit.

If we all spent our time only supporting the top tier, then imagine where the Jets would be now. Let us not forget that the Metro Cup was a great springboard to assist the Jets in their recent success. In actual fact, the Jets wouldn't be in the Premier League at all without some formative years in the old metro, now Jim Beam Cup.

In addition, there are a few coaches, administrators and players at the Jets right now that cut their teeth in the Metro Cup.

Have a think about it !!! If the Jets were doing terribly in the Premier League and terrific in the Jim Beam Cup, would the coverage be so biased??
 

Jeffles

Bench
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How easily we forget !!!

Newtown win a few on the trot in the Premier League and all of a sudden we want to bash up the JBC

I think my point is missed.

I have nothing against JBC. I'm not putting the boot in.

What I am arguing is this. There is a hierachy in RL in this great state. And it goes like this.

1) NRL
2) PL
3) JBC

Unfortunately that hierachy is not being observed with regards to media coverage, particularly in Big League. Can you imagine if PL got more coverage than NRL? There would be a stink!!

Let us just calm down and remember that if it was not for the Metro Cup, Newtown would never had developed the opportunities that they are now grabbing hold of with two hands and running up the field.

It took plenty of blood sweat and tears in the Metro Cup to put Newtown where they are now, and there are still 17 Newtown boys there every week doing their level best even if they are struggling a bit.

If we all spent our time only supporting the top tier, then imagine where the Jets would be now. Let us not forget that the Metro Cup was a great springboard to assist the Jets in their recent success. In actual fact, the Jets wouldn't be in the Premier League at all without some formative years in the old metro, now Jim Beam Cup.

Don't I know it!! I can assure you my JBC credentials are there. I've followed the Jets on many a cold night at Windsor, Wenty and other bastions of the competition.

I admire anyone that supports RL at the lower grades. These fans are true football enthusiasts. Metro was good for Newtown. It got us back on the park. But there is a hierachy and that order of grades. And that order should be observed. What do prospective sponsors think when they see that the flagship competition is not the most best treated one.

Tez does a great job with JBC and should be congratulated. He is a tremendous writer. His match reports and his book, "Out of the Blue" are absolute quality. PL deserves this too and more.

Have a think about it !!! If the Jets were doing terribly in the Premier League and terrific in the Jim Beam Cup, would the coverage be so biased??

Yes it would. Heck, look at my earlier post. I said "even though Newtown's match with Balmain takes up most of the report I am still unhappy" and I mean it. It just doesn't make sense.
 

Fred Flintstone

Juniors
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The JB cup comp is not as strong as the old Metro Cup, when players who played back in the early 90's can still keep going it shows the comp is softer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Jets were such a success in the Metro Cup, didn't they have veteran players like Daryl Neville, Tony Catton, Peter Baumgart and Paul Danes, all of whom began their careers in the lower grades in the late 80's. In actual fact Tony and Peter were still playing for the Jets in 1st division in 2000, so give me a break when you say that players from the 90's are bringing down the standard of the JBC now. The Jets won three in a row with veterans who are were still playing in what was a pretty successful 1st Division team in 2000.

But the worst thing is that they say that the crowd for the Newtown-Souths Juniors game was "a strong crowd of over 2000 people".

WRONG

The JBC match was a curtain raiser to the game that drew over 2000 people. It's like writing a match report for the NSW U19s v QLD U19s and saying there were 70,000 people when that was the crowd for State of Origin.


This comment concerning the crowd at Henson when Newtown played Balmain and Souths Juniors was very disappointing from somebody who normally looks to be positive about the Jets at all levels. Rather than bagging the league and in the process showing your lack of recognition for the JBC boys who fill the holes without complaint when needed, and get the heart ripped out of their team at least once a fortnight, get on here and encourage all the supporters to set their alarms two hours early and get down and support the boys. Remember, this used to be the team that we all used to support as the only team we head, and not once did I ever hear anyobody anywhere bag the Metro Cup reserve grade team or players.
 

Jeffles

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I cannot comment on the first statement because I did not make it. Plus I only started watching Metro in the late 1990s.

This comment concerning the crowd at Henson when Newtown played Balmain and Souths Juniors was very disappointing from somebody who normally looks to be positive about the Jets at all levels.

I was just stating the truth.

Rather than bagging the league and in the process showing your lack of recognition for the JBC boys who fill the holes without complaint when needed, and get the heart ripped out of their team at least once a fortnight, get on here and encourage all the supporters to set their alarms two hours early and get down and support the boys.

I'm way ahead of you. Aside from being one of those early risers who watches JBC, I always encourage those I meet on the pub run to get there early.

Remember, this used to be the team that we all used to support as the only team we head,

I haven't forgotten nor will I.

not once did I ever hear anyobody anywhere bag the Metro Cup reserve grade team or players

That's right. You know why? Because Metro Reserves never got superior coverage to the grade above it. That's my beef with the present day. Most people know this.
 

mono_mal

Juniors
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Jeffles the thing that seems to be getting to most of us is that we already know your point of view.
Why therefore do you need to keep repeating yourself over and over?
Countless times now you have incited this discussion/argument.
Why can you not simply acknowledge a difference in opinions and move on?
Fair enough if you really feel the need to but what do you think you are going to achieve by constantly repeating yourself over an internet message board?
If you really feel so passionately about the issue go ahead and take it up with the NSWRL and the league media where maybe you can make a difference.
 

Jeffles

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Jeffles the thing that seems to be getting to most of us is that we already know your point of view.
Why therefore do you need to keep repeating yourself over and over?
Countless times now you have incited this discussion/argument

It keeps happening so I keep bringing it up.

Why can you not simply acknowledge a difference in opinions and move on?

Because this "difference of opinion" goes against common sense. The better competition derseves the better coverage.

Fair enough if you really feel the need to but what do you think you are going to achieve by constantly repeating yourself over an internet message board?

I just want to make people aware. I've found a lot of support as well from people I haven't met (thanks Brook :D )

If you really feel so passionately about the issue go ahead and take it up with the NSWRL and the league media where maybe you can make a difference.

How do you know I haven't? I have sent the odd email and I do plan to intensify that pat of my campaign.
 

Bluebag

Juniors
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Fred,

You seem to compare the Metro cup with JBC they are two different competitions. I have posted previously that the old Metro cup was tougher and better football played. Newtown does not nor has it ever belittled the JBC but the fact is that JBC gets more attention in the media than PL. Newtown has recognised the importance of these comps as without a JBC team we would struggle itis our reserve grade side we would not normally have.

In 2000 we had several Metro players comnined with several Warriors players and former NRL players in Australia, but it is not JBC which as I have said before DIFFERENT.

We still recognise the efforts of our Metro premiership players at past functions and reunion games. ie Paul Danes, Scott Fleming, Big Pete Baumgart. We want to do well in JBC as we need these players to come through to play PL and eventually into the NRL. Balmain signed Frank Samia from us after spending the majority of the year in Metro Cup before ending up in PL.

We will continue to develop players seeking a chance to advance their careers.

Jeffles and Brook amongst others are simply stating a fact that in Big League the PL report is much smaller than JBC.

Let me finish by saying that Jim Beam get great value out of Newtown especially when we have managed a few double header games as we leave all the signage out out on the field.

So Fred get back under the rock you came from and stop bagging Newtown as you know nothing and it is obvious and the name is very fitting.

If the league is serious about JBC start improving the refrees.
 

Jeffles

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I think the message is filtering through. Today's Tele has results and tables for Flegg, JBC and PL. FANTASTIC STUFF! This should be a regular occurence every Monday like it used to be.
 

Fred Flintstone

Juniors
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So Fred get back under the rock you came from and stop bagging Newtown as you know nothing and it is obvious and the name is very fitting.

Bag Newtown?? ......... go back, have a good read and tell me where I once bagged Newtown. Not once did I say a bad word about the club, I only joined this forum because I was tired of reading negative comments about a competition that I feel all Newtown supporters should actually really support because of what it has offered the club in the past.

If a difference of opinion with somebody with a Jets logo attached to their signature is classed as bagging the club, then obviously we've all missed the point of having a forum in the first place.

I am dissappointed with your comment about bagging the club as it is somthing I did not and would ever do. In actual fact, if you read through my posts you might realise that I know a fair bit more about the club than you realise. I think that it might even suggest a genuine interest in the club.

Discussion is what forums are about, if people want to make comments that nobody can express their agreement or disagreement with, perhaps they should not make them in a FORUM .............. I think that is what websites are for !!!
 
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Settle down, folks.

Fred: I feel sure when you think about it, you'll see Jeffles' point about the incongruity of the JBC receiving greater publicity/coverage than the higher-rated comp above it.

Sure, Metro/JBC held us in good stead when that was the highest level they would let us play at. If, as it seems, you want proof of our bona-fides as Newtown supporters in the Metro days, I'll post a scan of my match day programme from that first Newtown/Guildford match in '91.

Nevertheless, our entry into First Division in 2000 meant a higher cost to the club in salaries and expenses. This in turn meant we had to campaign for better exposure for those sponsors who have helped us reach and attain that level.

Sure, the JBC team deserve coverage of their often thankless efforts. None of us debate that. But by the same token, the NSWRL's lack of effort in securing proper coverage for Premier League is important - it's nothing short of sinful and damaging to our club.

Imagine this scenario:

What if, after the ban on the televising of comps involving NRL players was removed in 2002, the NSWRL had actually bothered to negotiate with the ABC (or any other network) and arranged for PL to be televised.

What would the value of Newtown's jersey sponsorship be now if it was seen regularly on state-wide TV? How much more resources could we put behind both our grades if this was the case? How much more recognition would there be of our "non-dead" status if our games were televised?

All this is, like it or not, much easier to make happen via PL than JBC because, just as Jeffles says, Balmain/Wests/St George et al Vs Newtown is infinitely more marketable than Erina Vs The Entrance.

The bottom line is: What's good for the club in terms of revenue and exposure is good for all grades, right down to the Junior Jets youngest teams. The best thing that can happen to us is proper coverage of our top grade - the revenue and respect do, in the eyes of the public and sponsors, derive from that.

If JBC continued to receive coverage in addition to that, then so much the better. The process should be an additive one, not subtractive.

If you're so concerned about lack of attendance at our JBC home games, offer to run a promotion to get more bodies through the gate earlier in the day. It seems you know how tight our resources are in terms of match-day and through-the week assistance, so why not offer to help out in an area you seem to be passionate about.

Bluebag/Jeffles:
As much as you may not agree with Fred on this particular issue, it seems he does have our JBC boys' welfare at heart. Why not keep it civil - God knows there are few enough of us who give a damn about the Jets in any grade.

There's no point in ripping into one another or playing some sort of "I'm more Royal Blue than you" game.

We all know someone who's got that attitude at our club, and he's managed to chase away many useful Jets patriots in his time. So keep it cool, boys - BB should particularly recognise the syndrome.

Regards,
TDT-1
 

Bluebag

Juniors
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DT-1

Fred and others misunderstand the whole Jeffles issue of which is the leagues premier competition but which receives more exposure.

I have seen more JBC matches than Premier League and will always go where the JB boys are. But the fact remains that the hardness of the competition is not like that of Metro.
 

Jeffles

Bench
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Fred

In your first post you say

"In addition, there are a few coaches, administrators and players at the Jets right now that cut their teeth in the Metro Cup. "

I guess that could be taken as bagging the club but I didn't say you were. I'm just suggesting what Bluebag may have thought.

TDT-1, they could use your mediation skills in Iraq. :lol:
 

Fred Flintstone

Juniors
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"In addition, there are a few coaches, administrators and players at the Jets right now that cut their teeth in the Metro Cup. "

This expression refers to the fact that some coaches, administrators and players at the club 'learnt their trade' or 'developed their skills', in the Metro Cup. I can accept that you may not be familiar with the expression, but it is actually both a compliment for the competition and more importantly for the individuals who have moved onto bigger and better things and thankfully taken the club with them.

On the other hand, Bluebag, I cannot agree with your observation regarding the toughness of the JBC. I would love to see a match between the winners of this season and any of the winners of years gone by. I am certain that it would not be a walkover to either side. Maybe we'll just agree to disagree.

I am going to crawl back under my rock now !!!!!!!!!

YABBA DABBA DOO :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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Oh, I don't know about my tact quotient - you realise I wasn't using "BB" as a shorthand for "Bluebag", of course. :lol:

By the way - I finally got something on the label copy - let me know if it's too late for use.

Regards,
TDT-1

P.S. I wasn't kidding, Fred - if you want to do something for the JBC boys, see if you can help get a promotion going - get some bodies along early for their games.
 

Jeffles

Bench
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Fred Flintstone said:
"In addition, there are a few coaches, administrators and players at the Jets right now that cut their teeth in the Metro Cup. "

This expression refers to the fact that some coaches, administrators and players at the club 'learnt their trade' or 'developed their skills', in the Metro Cup. I can accept that you may not be familiar with the expression, but it is actually both a compliment for the competition and more importantly for the individuals who have moved onto bigger and better things and thankfully taken the club with them.

My fault. I wasn't familiar with the term. Thanks Fred.

Say hi to Wilma for me.
 

Fanny Batter

Juniors
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can i just ad that this week theres no report cos theres 7 games now cos no 1 has the bye i hope they put a report in.
 

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