Fixtures for JB Cup this week - who knows?

[The Dawson Twins Minus 1]

Now THERE'S an idea!!!!

Rochdale Hornets to enter the JBC!

Wouldn't that suit you, Hornet?

Regards,
TDT-1

 

[mono_mal]

Hey Mono, I would guess there are more Rochdale Hornets fans in Sydney then Guildford fans, that'd be the reason they pulled out of the JBC this year!

Now thats just nonsense Hornet and you know it.
I think these statements on your part must be due to jealousy, having yet defeated members of the 'Owls Nest' in the odd touch footy game. :lol:
Must be those old legs of yours.

 

[Henson Park Hornets]

Now THERE'S an idea!!!!

Rochdale Hornets to enter the JBC!

Wouldn't that suit you, Hornet?

Regards,
TDT-1

That would be something that I'm sure the Hornets Army (Sydney Branch) would all in favour of. However it does pose the question... Newtown vs. Rochdale in the JBC, who would one want to win?

Hmmmm... a 42 all draw would the best result!

 

[Henson Park Hornets]

Hey Mono, I would guess there are more Rochdale Hornets fans in Sydney then Guildford fans, that'd be the reason they pulled out of the JBC this year!

Now thats just nonsense Hornet and you know it.
I think these statements on your part must be due to jealousy, having yet defeated members of the 'Owls Nest' in the odd touch footy game. :lol:
Must be those old legs of yours.

So Mono, why did Guilford pull out of the JBC then? THE real reason, not some tripe about the pokie tax!

I don't believe that it was my old legs that were the problem in our games of touch, it would be more the vast amounts of beer that I've drunk that has given me this wonderful beer gut that causes me to run like a donkey with three legs ;-)

 

[The Wombat]

Hey Mono, I would guess there are more Rochdale Hornets fans in Sydney then Guildford fans, that'd be the reason they pulled out of the JBC this year!

Now thats just nonsense Hornet and you know it.
I think these statements on your part must be due to jealousy, having yet defeated members of the 'Owls Nest' in the odd touch footy game. :lol:
Must be those old legs of yours.

you shouldnt bee to hard on the old man

 

[mono_mal]

The reason HPH why Guildford abandoned the Jim Beam Cup had nothing to do with crowds.
It was simply due to poor decisions by the directors.
The Guildford fans had no choice in the matter and the directors largely ignored the reaction of fans at the time.

 

[Jeffles]

MORE BIG LEAGUE SHITE AGAINST PREMIER LEAGUE

Read the reports this week. The PL page still has upcoming fixtures for PL and Flegg. The JBC page doesn't (GOD FORBID YOU TAKE REPORT SPACE AWAY FROM 3RD GRADE).

Also, even though Newtown's match with Balmain takes up most of the report I am still unhappy. Only 3 games out of 6 are reported. You have to go to the results section to see the other scores. No match insight whatsoever.

Now to the precious 3rd Grade page. The usual doubling of column inches comapred to PL. All 5 matches reported.

But the worst thing is that they say that the crowd for the Newtown-Souths Juniors game was "a strong crowd of over 2000 people".

WRONG

The JBC match was a curtain raiser to the game that drew over 2000 people. It's like writing a match report for the NSW U19s v QLD U19s and saying there were 70,000 people when that was the crowd for State of Origin.

Once again JBC is talked up at the expense of Premier League. It bloody sucks.

 

[Fanny Batter]

jeffles u r on a crusade good luck wif it. it sux that jbc gets mor coverage like u sed its 3rd grade.

 

[brook]

I still think even 3rd grade is being generous.

I often see higher quality play coming out of the jersey flegg matches (of course my view could be slanted by the fact I'm a hawkes supporter and they haven't given much to cheer about this year )

 

[metroman]

Brook, how is George Azzi going in Premier League this year. He looks a bit fitter. He got a bit of an attitude problem last year at the Bulls when he was left out of the 17 a number of times.

 

[Bluebag]

The JB cup comp is not as strong as the old Metro Cup, when players who played back in the early 90's can still keep going it shows the comp is softer. Having said that it is still a better opportunity for young players to show what they can do.

 

[Jeffles]

Great points Bluebag and Brook. 3rd's is definitely not as strong as Metro was. Flegg is very appealing because you're watching 26 hungry blokes out on the field with heaps of career prospects ahead.

 

[brook]

Azzi is going well

Has added some good impact off the bench and with our current injurys I'm very glad to have him on board!

I didn't see him last year so its hard to comment on that but his fitness has looked pretty good, although he's not really having that put to the test

 

[metroman]

What position does Flegg occupy in the NSWRL structure?

We can look at the Jim Beam points system:

20pts - 20 or more games in NRL
15 pts - 4 to 19 games in NRL
10pts - more than 22 games in premier league
8 pts - more than 22 games in metro and/or Jim Beam
8 pts - less than 22 games in Premier league
8 pts - 1 to 3 games in NRL
6 pts - less than 22 games in Metro/Jim Beam
4 pts - Flegg or CRL 1st grade
2 pts - other.

That is a pretty clear indication of where the NSWRL ranks flegg.

Alternatively we can look at empirical evidence:

last year flegg had a short season. At the end of it the best 8 players in the Penrith flegg side joined the Cougars Jim Beam team. They did well to finish 5th but they did not rate with the top 4 sides.

Also, Ryde Eastwood had a better side last year and actually led the comp at half way but then suffered injuries and gave several balmain flegg boys a run. They could only win 2 of the last 11.

I can well understand the points rating system. The reality is than 80% of flegg players used to end up in reserve grade metro.

In 2002 Ryde eastwood played trials against balmain. The Hwks 1st grade lost to Balmain 1st division with Matt Sears, Lincoln Withers and Steve Trindall playing well for the Tigers but the Hawks reserve grade captained by Daniel Brown beat the Balmain Flegg. The funny thing was that the next week one of the Ryde reserve graders, Mark Schrantz (aka Andrews) was promoted to Balmain, played the entire season in 1st Division and got the player of the year award!

 

[brook]

2004 - 2 members of the balmain Flegg side play first grade (so far), while two others take regular PL spots and several others - including some recently promoted from sg ball, make an appearance. A couple of Hawkes players have been called up to Balmain but not one has managed to secure a spot that doesn't depend on injuries.

1 player is donated to the hawkes - underperforming halfback Damien Braumman, by all accounts he goes alright but it is telling that even when not selected for R-E (like last night) he only manages to make his way back into the flegg team because SG Ball half Dean Caldwell was called up for rep duties.

oh and by the way - the 2002 Balmain flegg team was bloody awful - if they Hawkes hadn't been able to defeat them there would have been more of a gap between the two divisions than I already think there is ;-)

 

[Jeffles]

I think Flegg is getting a bad wrap.

It had 1 year as a shortened season. 3rds was supposed to be the new development league. This year Flegg reverted back to a full legnth season. Can one reconcile increasing the Flegg season with a dislike for it? Somebody must love it for this to happen! Also, many Flegg games are on the program as one of the NRL curtain raisers. This indicates appreciation from clubs. I won't play that up too much, it also makes it easier for clubs.

The PPIS giving low points for Flegg is fair enough. It is not a reflection of Flegg as a competition. I think it is a reflection of the "development" side of 3rds. Give Flegg players less points to encourage younger blokes to play in 3rds and develop their skills.

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As an aside, the PPIS is hardly fault free. The 4 points for CRL first grade are problematic. There are huge gaps in standard across the bush. One bloke may get a run in 1st grade in say Western Division because of a lack of players but he wouldn't get a run in Newcastle.
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[metroman]

yeh. Balmain flegg were awful in 2002 but it was the Ryde RESERVE grade that beat them. 2 flegg boys to 1st grade is a good effort but then again Siemsen, Meredith and Williams have gone from Souths Juniors JB to first grade in a matter of weeks. You choose to believe that your team is fantastic and things you know nothing about are crap. Fine.

 

[Jeffles]

Please explain that last line metroman. Who are you talking to and what is it about?

 

[metroman]

The post is sef explanatory. It related to Brook's inability to read posts or simply ignore them but I have had enough. Not going waste me time in cyberspace any more.

 

[Jeffles]

The post is sef explanatory. It related to Brook's inability to read posts or simply ignore them but I have had enough. Not going waste me time in cyberspace any more.

It would be a shame to lose you metroman. Your reports are fantastic.