$$$ for RL - Vote for Johnny!!!

[B-Tron 3000]

I'll make a bet interest rates will rise under a labour government or will rise later because of the labour government, if they are elected (which looks like they will). I'm certain of it.

Look out, we've got a political genius amongst us!! You mean that Rudd won't be able to magically stop the interest rate rises that we're seeing now?!?! My goodness!!

What will happen is that Rudd will get in, the rates will continue to go up, and he will be blamed by all the bloody Liberal voters that are too stupid to realise that it isn't his fault. And it's not entirely Howard's fault either.

You may not like Howard but how is Rudd better?

He's certainly beating the sh*t out of Howard at the moment. He is ahead of him on all the major NEW ideas. That's what I want in a leader - proactive and looking to the future. Sure, he may not deliver, but at least he seems to know what's on the minds of the people.

If you think interest rates are bad now and you want them to rise even more vote Kevin 07!!!

Oh piss off mate.

 

[Raider_69]

:lol:

9 out of 10 AWA's submitted have proven to fail the fairness test.

This is what it is about, 9 out of 10 employers want nothing more than more profit for themselves, they want the opportunity to pay less than fair wages.

Workchoices goes a long way to providing this opportunity.

How many of those failed have been allowed to become active AWA's?

 

[jimmyo]

I haven't heard any pro-John Howard comment from someone that doesn't sound like a member of the Liberal Party.

 

[langpark]

I haven't heard any pro-John Howard comment from someone that doesn't sound like a member of the Liberal Party.

so our opinions are only legit if we speak like an uneducated union bogan?

 

[jimmyo]

so our opinions are only legit if we speak like an uneducated union bogan?

Now you're getting it.

 

[mark123]

Wow, it appeared that guy who tore apart my post really grilled me.

It was hard to read by the end, I was laughing so much.

Its good we all have opinions and thats just what it was, his opinion. It was good to read his opinion, it shows the diverseness of discussion that we have come to love on the forums.

Everyone has an opinion.

But what do you do with facts?

You hate Howard and good for you. But I find it hard to hate a man who clearly has the people in the centre of his thoughts. Do you think you get to be prime minister for 10+ years and NOT be good to the people? Or a great governer? Do you think you would have a clue after 10+ years, or not much of a clue.

But he is one man who has done more for you and your children than you will probably ever allow yourself to see.

Go back to a Labour govt, and you can kiss prosperity goodbye. Its true, some of our prosperity has come from the mining boom, but its the way we deal out the money internally as a country that allows us to maximise our prosperity. Howard govt delivered that system.

Per capita, individuals are more wealthy now than ever before....its true too we have more debt than ever before, but thats an individuals problem. IF YOU are not going ok in this environment, I dont think you can blame the govt, you can only blame yourself. This is prosperity, and you can make a killing out there. Howard govt delivered it. Labour ruined the economy.

Labour is in no condition to run the country. Rudd is as poor a choice as Latham. All his policies dont go far enough. They are mere knee-jerk reactions to the govt.

The Howard govt has a vision for Australia. They got us out of drowning in debt. They changed the tax system for the better, and gave this country prosperity.

People think that everything should be great and if a govt is going well then there should be no problems, because logically thats the bar they set in their minds.

But guess what. Life IS full of problems.

And i tell you one thing....if Labour had been in for the past decade, this country would be a huge mess.

The Howard govt is setting us up for a prosperous future with tactical decisions. Rudd is a knee-jerk reaction kind of guy. And he is the head of a party that is clearly second in ability to govern.

It has been that way for a while, and I think you will find that it will take a generation to change.

If you want to vote rudd go ahead. Just remember what his party has been capable of: creating bad debt and governing poorly.

Even if rudd were a great politician, one man can't save an entire party.

Whats more, the people behind Labour, the "power" men, the backers, etc....they have a warped sense of what to do, I'd trust the Coalition backers more. Their goals are at least in line with the country's.

 

[jimmyo]

People like you and Langpark will obviously keep sucking Howard's c#ck no matter what he does, so why bother coming on here and singing his praises? You're not convincing anyone, and I could easily read that crap on the liberal party website if i wanted to.

 

[fatshark]

People get upset when the govt spends millions on advertising, but what they dont realise is that this govt. has created many, many, many times more that money for the country.

yes, for the corporations and big business. For you, is another story.
ps -our imports are the highest they have ever been,meaning billions of $ in debt.

 

[fatshark]

The Howard govt has a vision for Australia.

nuclear power plants everywhere,poor health system, shocking education system.

This is prosperity, and you can make a killing out there. Howard govt delivered it. Labour ruined the economy.

funny thing is, the high interest is starting to hurt big business...bye bye Johnny

They got us out of drowning in debt

wrong

some of our prosperity has come from the mining boom

do you own a mining company? are you a WA politician.pleeeasee.

Per capita, individuals are more wealthy now than ever before

no, the wealthy have gotten more wealthy.

How can a govt say they have good economics when the interest rates are going higher?
Hardly good management.

 

[Surely]

yes, for the corporations and big business. For you, is another story.
ps -our imports are the highest they have ever been,meaning billions of $ in debt.

Thats right fatshark, but when you make a statement like this you must consider other factors like ....

Qantas didn't like the australian made version of the A380 hence they bought the european one.

Lucky for them though the AUD is now worth 90c

 

[Surely]

I haven't heard any pro-John Howard comment from someone that doesn't sound like a member of the Liberal Party.

Thats because you don't really listen, I voted labour all my life as did my family, i decided to change when interests got to 17%, the arse fell out of the dollar, and i lost 65 cents in the dollar on any overtime i did.

 

[_Johnsy]

He could give the NRL 112 mil, i still wouldn't be voting for the Lying little rodent.

why so little ?

456 gazillion and I may consider it, still could not but would consider it.

 

[Raider_69]

Thats because you don't really listen, I voted labour all my life as did my family, i decided to change when interests got to 17%, the arse fell out of the dollar, and i lost 65 cents in the dollar on any overtime i did.

:lol: and to think this country is a bee's dick away from voting these f**king idiots back in?:crazy:

 

[Surely]

:lol: and to think this country is a bee's dick away from voting these f**king idiots back in?:crazy:

You can lead a jackass to water but you can't make it drink.

 

[jimmyo]

Thats because you don't really listen, I voted labour all my life as did my family, i decided to change when interests got to 17%, the arse fell out of the dollar, and i lost 65 cents in the dollar on any overtime i did.

Interest rates were 17% and they are about 7% now, but housing prices are much higher as a proportion of wages now - so we are worse off than we were when they were 17%.

Oh, and arse fell out of the dollar? I don't know what you are tlalking about there, but then neither do you.

 

[_Johnsy]

so our opinions are only legit if we speak like an uneducated union bogan?

So all labor voters are uneducated union bogans? Let me guess a tertiary education is something the middle class and above should only have access to. Fuggwit.

Keep digging................

 

[hineyrulz]

I know people who nearly lost there Houses to high interest rates, and guess who the treasuer was???? The one and only, Honest John. The way he's spending to get him self re - elected they are only going to rise higher.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

The funniest thing is i looked up the info on the internet to prove i was right because i've seen the statistics in a magazine but i don't actually have them and came across something that might shock most people. Australia was largely involved in the creation of the Kyoto Protocol, they signed the treaty but did not ratify it, under the Kyoto Protocol Australia is permitted an increase of 8% greenhouse emissions. So once again Rudd carries on about the government not signing (the government actually signed, labour should say ratified) Kyoto. Hahaha so all these labour and greenie merkin want the government to ratify something that allows them to increase greenhouse emissions? This is how labour wants to appear to take action on global warming by ratifying Kyoto? :lol: This makes the liberal's nonaction on global warming even funnier. However i must admit labour is very smart as they realise that most people are incredibly stupid and don't really have a clue about anything about Kyoto and it's actually not that easy to find either. Actually most people don't have a clue about politics but most people don't really care, well from my experience.

Another interesting tidbit i came across was that 30% of greenhouse emmissions are a result from deforestation, this worries me more than us polluting, because nobody seems to care that the world is getting rid of its trees. Trees take CO2 from the air and turn it into oxygen, in the last 200 years the world has industrialised and has also cut down much more forest. The world needs trees and nobody cares, lets just sign Kyoto and reduce our carbon emmission by small amounts. It doesn't matter that we have less trees every year which means less oxygen, it seems to have skipped everybodies minds. Also for all the governments inaction on glabal warming it is surprising that they lead the world in re-forestation.

Also countries that have ratified Kyoto aren't doing that well...



Something else that bugs me is that nuclear power can greatly reduce greenhouse gas emmissions, though zero point energy would be sweet but we're a long way from that. But labour and greenies don't want nuclear power, seriously what's wrong with nuclear power? Nothing...

Now my whole opinion on global warming is based on the fact that the earth doesn't have enough trees, we need more trees!!!!!! Global warming is inevitable people, their are what 6 billion people on the planet all produce CO2, plus livestock like cows that's a lot of greenhouse gasses that we can't really reduce. Reduction in greenhouse gasses wont work, as i said before we need more trees!!!! If we don't plant hundreds of millions more trees all around the world i don't see why another planetary mass extincition isn't on the cards. Interestingly it's also due.

Rudd's mentioning of Howard's lack of Kyoto action was to demonstrate his dithering. Labor have already stated that they want to go beyond it by reducing ommissions by 60% by 2050. The Greens want 80%. Naturally Howard is opposed to it. Don't forget he regards himself as a climate skeptic.

I agree with your plant more trees statement and people do care. They're called the Greens. So if you're genuine vote for them. You can't seriously claim that Johny will do more than they would surely!
Nuclear?
I don't buy it. It's the lesser evil compared to coal I guess but storage of waste is what puts most people off. Besides, Howard used to be in bed with the coal comapnies now he's getting into bet with the uranium groups. He's traded one mining lobby for another. He doesn't give a sh*te about the environment it's about retaining power.
Anyway are you confident that we won't have another Chyrnoble? If you are will you want a nuclear plant in your suburb?
The sunniest country in the world should be leading the world in solar power but Howard won't fund it and our best brains have gone to the US. Hydrogen is another because a bi product of it's manufacture is oxygen.
PS
The countries that aren't doing well as you mentioned have a long term plan and have allowed for short term losses. England on the other hand are already doing well.
cheers

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

So all labor voters are uneducated union bogans? Let me guess a tertiary education is something the middle class and above should only have access to. Fuggwit.

Keep digging................

Thanks to Johny yes.
Whitlam made tertiary education free so kids from working class families could go to uni but a liberal voter would economically rationalise that.
I'd rather my taxes go to schools than Costello's surplus.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

1. Go back to a Labour govt, and you can kiss prosperity goodbye. Its true, some of our prosperity has come from the mining boom, but its the way we deal out the money internally as a country that allows us to maximise our prosperity. Howard govt delivered that system.

2. The Howard govt has a vision for Australia. They got us out of drowning in debt. They changed the tax system for the better, and gave this country prosperity.


3. And i tell you one thing....if Labour had been in for the past decade, this country would be a huge mess.



4. If you want to vote rudd go ahead. Just remember what his party has been capable of: creating bad debt and governing poorly.










Now your thread is funny.


1. Some of Australia's most prosperous years were during the Hawke-Keating years. Remember how greedy this country was?
2. I still pay cash to tradesmen and I don't believe I should pay the same amount of tax as James Packer. Do you work for Howard?
3. The Liberal government is still riding on the platform Hawke and Keating's laid. Even Amanda Devine admits that. There were five record periods of growth before Howard won and no recources boom to fuel it!
4. Howard's record as treasurer was sh*t. High debt, high interest rates and that's a fact.
But you believe in the new John.
cheers