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France come in from the cold

carlnz

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Mick Aldous knew something was wrong when he saw his players together in a huddle at the time they were just four points behind Australia with seven minutes to play.

There among the white shorts, red, white and blue jerseys, kneepads and hairy legs in the middle of Stade Ernest-Wallon was a tracksuit and sneakers.

It was the France rugby league coach's assistant, Gilles Dumas, who played during an era when getting within 20 points of Australia was a triumph.

"When it was 34-30, he went out three times into the huddle!" the former Canberra centre, who has been in the country for just seven weeks, said.

"I said 'Gilles, stop, stop, come back, you can't do that!' He kept going out."

For 10 years, French league federation president Jean-Paul Ferre refused to play Australia, fearing a repeat of 1994's 74-0 result which would endanger prestige and - more importantly - government funding.

Les Chanticleers came in from the cold on Sunday and at one point looked like beating an opponent they had not bettered for 26 years,

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AdvertisementAs the crowd chanted "Allez le Bleu!", the postmen and council workers upended Willie Mason and made Mark O'Meley feel like he'd run at a cement wall while bamboozling the Australians with support play and daring offloads.

"I wasn't surprised today by what they could do," said Australian coach Wayne Bennett. "I was a bit surprised today by the way they kept doing it.

"They played a lot different to any Australian or English side I've seen play in the last five or six years and I enjoyed that. There were some lovely skills and support play and short balls and things that we've gone a little bit away from at home."

Captain Darren Lockyer added: "Physically, they were as strong as us ... they were doing things I didn't expect them to do. They've got some good players, particularly that No. 11."

But some things don't change. After the game, talent scouts for a host of rugby union clubs loitered behind the grandstand.

"That No. 11", second rower Djamel Fakir, is expected to have signed with Stade Toulouse by the time you read this.


And it was happening when rugby union was still "amateur".

"Perhaps they should be pushing more of their players to NRL clubs," said Bennett. "Let them come over there and be available for the French team.

"I'm sure if somebody rang us from here and said 'we've got a good player, he's worthwhile taking' that most of us would take him."

Aldous wants every NRL and Super League club encouraged to take on an apprentice from a developing league nation.

The scheme could win a sponsor plenty of feel-good publicity and help clubs that want the Tri-Nations called off understand what is happening outside their own backyard.

Told that NRL chief executive David Gallop was at Sunday's game, Aldous went off to look for him.

AUSTRALIA 52 (C Fitzgibbon 2, J Ryles, M Cooper, B Tate, D Lockyer, T Carroll, P Civoniceva, B Kennedy tries; Lockyer 4, Fitzgibbon 4 goals) beat FRANCE 30 (F Zitter 2, A Fellous, D Fakir, M Greseque, D Couturier tries; Greseque 3 goals) at Stade Ernest Wallon. Crowd: about 8000. Referee: Karl Kirkpatrick (Britain).
 

Tidus_Raider

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Is Stade Toulouse a Union team? If so it'll very disapointing if the French teams most promising player has gone to Union.
 

Ari Gold

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i think the fact that France nearly beat the best RL in the world, might give Fakir some incentive to stay with League, whereas if France had lost by 60, im sure he wouldve signed on, cant UTC sign Fakir?
 

In-goal

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UTC aren't in the super League until the 2006 season so there is still another year to go there
 

DonBilly

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t-ba the hutt said:
F*ck The Nazi's, F*ck De Gaulle and above all f*ck the FFR...

I think you are mixing De Gaulle (the leader of the Free French) and the Maréchal Pétain (the Verdun winner but head of the collaborist Etat Français). De Gaulle being rather hated by the Anglo-saxon world I understand that this was th name that comme to your mind.

Under De Gaulle government in 1944 the RL was reauthorized.
 

kier

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De Gaulle maintained the Vichy rulings against RL (with the exception of the illeagality of the sport) AND allowed new laws to be brought against the sport - eg, not being able to use the word 'rugby' to describe itself.

De Gaulle also declared RU to be the sport of "patriotic Frenchmen" despite all recent events pointing otherwise!

A dislike of De Gaulle is appropriate as far as I'm concerned!!!
 

t-ba

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DonBilly said:
t-ba the hutt said:
F*ck The Nazi's, F*ck De Gaulle and above all f*ck the FFR...

I think you are mixing De Gaulle (the leader of the Free French) and the Maréchal Pétain (the Verdun winner but head of the collaborist Etat Français). De Gaulle being rather hated by the Anglo-saxon world I understand that this was th name that comme to your mind.

Under De Gaulle government in 1944 the RL was reauthorized.

Read a bit down the page mate ;-) . De Gaulle was terrible to RL.

I'm also part Bretagne. De Gaulle was a bit too keen on 'assimilation' for my liking. Not quite as bad as Algeria, but sending us French Textbooks as a reward for our loyalty to the Resistance wasn't very nice.
 

JK

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in 1944 with the invasion in full swing they take the time to reauthorise league???

wtf?? :shock:
 

Big Bunny

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kier said:
De Gaulle maintained the Vichy rulings against RL (with the exception of the illeagality of the sport) AND allowed new laws to be brought against the sport - eg, not being able to use the word 'rugby' to describe itself.

De Gaulle also declared RU to be the sport of "patriotic Frenchmen" despite all recent events pointing otherwise!

A dislike of De Gaulle is appropriate as far as I'm concerned!!!

Spot on, well said.
 

DonBilly

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t-ba the hutt said:
DonBilly said:
t-ba the hutt said:
F*ck The Nazi's, F*ck De Gaulle and above all f*ck the FFR...

I think you are mixing De Gaulle (the leader of the Free French) and the Maréchal Pétain (the Verdun winner but head of the collaborist Etat Français). De Gaulle being rather hated by the Anglo-saxon world I understand that this was th name that comme to your mind.

Under De Gaulle government in 1944 the RL was reauthorized.

Read a bit down the page mate ;-) . De Gaulle was terrible to RL.

I'm also part Bretagne. De Gaulle was a bit too keen on 'assimilation' for my liking. Not quite as bad as Algeria, but sending us French Textbooks as a reward for our loyalty to the Resistance wasn't very nice.

You know I guess what was the behaviour of the Britany nationalist parties during the WWII... Very close actually to the Flemmish parties in the North which were collaborationist. I am not a Gaullist but let's be fair it was not De Gaulle especially who reduced the influence of the Briton language in Britany. It started sooner with the 3rd Republic.
 

DonBilly

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JK said:
in 1944 with the invasion in full swing they take the time to reauthorise league???

wtf?? :shock:

The War was happening in the North East, RL was already mainly played in the south far from the battle fields. The French administration was still working under the Vichy regime, so it was very easy to rule the country when De Gaulle took the power over. All the means for ruling were at his disposal. Everywhere in France the De Gaulle supporters had already taken control of the Prefectures (head of the administration in the counties and provinces).
 

t-ba

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DonBilly-And the nationalists siding with the Nazis were a minority. Hell, they couldn't even form a strong enough coalition to actually get a functioning puppet regime into place, which Hitler is documented to have offered.

De Gaulle was also very keen on assimilation. So what if he didn't start it? He seemed to be very stoic on the maintenance of the destruction of the unique cultures within Frances boundaries. Not even wants to be a f*cking Parisian #-o


Buuuut this is hardly the place for this kind of discussion.

De Gaulle may have reauthorised the playing of RL, but he made sure it was trod into the ground.
 

DonBilly

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Well I think he didn't really care about Rugby in general. Culturaly he was from the Catholic Bourgeoisie so I guess he would have been more in favour of Union.

Otherwise you are right I don't think he was in favour of the local particularism...
 

taipan

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DonBilly said:
Well I think he didn't really care about Rugby in general. Culturaly he was from the Catholic Bourgeoisie so I guess he would have been more in favour of Union.

Otherwise you are right I don't think he was in favour of the local particularism...

If de Gaulle really cared about RL,he would not have agreed or allowed the league assets to be retained by the rugby union in 1946.These assets were seized in december 1941 by the Vichy government.Also where did 300,000 francs the rugby league had in their bank account prior to the seizure ?.
The Vichy govt ,the French rugby union officials who gave moral support in the seizure,and de Gaulle have nothing to be proud about in this act of plain theft/appropriation. i have nothoing but disdain for the lot of them.
 

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