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French Rugby Union spitefulness to RL

Te Kaha

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Calixte said:
Te Kaha - yeah if I was a rugby union fan, I'd spend all my time acting as moderator on a rugby league web-site. Talk about a need to get a life.

Really remarkable.

Your continued presence here is sufficient embarrassment for you.

See there you go again with the personal insults and assumptions based purely on your hatred. and when it comes right down to it.. i could care less what your opinion if me is.
 

Calixte

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Te Kaha said:
See there you go again with the personal insults and assumptions based purely on your hatred. and when it comes right down to it.. i could care less what your opinion if me is.

Ditto.

PS. And it's "care less what your opinion of me is..."
 
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Calixte said:
David Irving is an idiot.

See the TFC posts on the subject re- my suggestion to you Thomas.

Te Kaha - yeah if I was a rugby union fan, I'd spend all my time acting as moderator on a rugby league web-site. Talk about a need to get a life.

Really remarkable.

Your continued presence here is sufficient embarrassment for you.

Are you saying this forum are only for those paranoid one eye rugby league fans who hate Rugby union ?:shock:
 

Calixte

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No PW.

I'm saying it is very sad to see that you (and your ilk) spend so much time here, given your interest is union and not rugby league.
 

screeny

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Thomas said:
So...no proof other than a book.

Nice argument you've got there.......

Apparently there are a few books that say the massacre of Jews in World War 2 didn't actually happen, so by your reasoning thats true then?

Apparently there are lots more books documenting the Jewish Holocaust, though.

Where are the books documenting that NZRU has not attempted to scupper RL's attempts to use Eden Park since the 1988 WC final?
 
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screeny said:
Apparently there are lots more books documenting the Jewish Holocaust, though.

Where are the books documenting that NZRU has not attempted to scupper RL's attempts to use Eden Park since the 1988 WC final?

Why would someone write a book about something that didn't happen ?
 
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Calixte said:
No PW.

I'm saying it is very sad to see that you (and your ilk) spend so much time here, given your interest is union and not rugby league.

Maybe if you stop talking about rugby union and more about league then we wouldn't be in this situation ?
 

screeny

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Polynesian Warrior said:
Why would someone write a book about something that didn't happen ?

Where's your evidence to say it didn't happen?

A book has been published citing NZRU interference, which one assumes has benefited from some research. Where's your proof no skullduggery has been used?

(PS. Apologies for mentioning Eden Park, as that's on the other thread).
 
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screeny said:
Where's your evidence to say it didn't happen?

A book has been published citing NZRU interference, which one assumes has benefited from some research. Where's your proof no skullduggery has been used?

(PS. Apologies for mentioning Eden Park, as that's on the other thread).

Published by an angry rugby league person . You don't have to look far to find how many rugby league websites there are who seem to have their own version of events and history that only suite rugby league .
 

Woods99

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Green Machine said:
Can you give some examples Poly Waffle?



Errrrr, Singapore Rugby League??????

Where have you been, GM, and what is a realist like you doing on a thread about "ruling the world"?
 

Green Machine

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Woods99 said:
Errrrr, Singapore Rugby League??????

Where have you been, GM, and what is a realist like you doing on a thread about "ruling the world"?


Sorry Terrigal, I thought this thread was about what a low sporting organisation the French Rugby Union is (one of many). That’s a new one on me that Rugby League fans want to rule the world. I did not know that there are Rugby League Websites in Singapore who seem to have their own version of events and history that only suite rugby league.
I thought Poly Waffle was doing his usual thing of supporting Rugby Union on a Rugby League Web page. I thought he was questioning Rugby League websites on their reporting of history between Rugby League and Rugby Union.

PS Sad to hear about Eddie, George and Wendell. I wish they could have stayed around for another 10 years. Of late, they have provided a lot of joy for me,
 

screeny

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Polynesian Warrior said:
Published by an angry rugby league person . You don't have to look far to find how many rugby league websites there are who seem to have their own version of events and history that only suite rugby league .

Christ on his bike!!

How do you know he's 'an angry RL person'?? You're just making it up as you go along.

Not only do you

a) ask for proof
b) not have the good grace to accept it when someone proffers proof
but you then accuse the published work of being a pack of lies written by someone with no other motivation than anger at RU!!

That new dream pipe tobacco you must be hitting is a little bit too strong, PW, I'd go back to your previous delusional brand.
 

YANTO

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A small history lesson from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2307043.stm
The legacy of World War II has passed into history now - only people in their 70s or older will actually remember when their town was the seat of government - but I had come to Vichy to explore one curious footnote from that time.

Young upstart

Because it was in December 1941 - in his office overlooking the park - that Philippe Petain signed an order prepared for him by the ministry of sport... banning rugby league.

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Part of the infamous banning decree


Why - you might ask - would a government troubled enough with haggling with the Nazi occupier, registering Jews, and promoting its catholic-nationalist revolution, bother suppressing a game enjoyed by tens of thousands of young men?

The story is a complicated one, and one which has repercussions down to this day.

In the 1930s French rugby league - or rugby a treize (rugby for 13) - was rugby union's upstart younger cousin.

It arrived in France as late as 1934 - half a century after the 15-man game - but in the five years before the start of World War II, it advanced so quickly as to pose a real challenge to the supremacy of rugby union.

Rugby union was in steep decline. The national team was banned from the Five Nations tournament because of violence on the pitch, and the number of clubs was falling every year.

Lobbying

Rugby league was taking up the slack, and as sports papers from the time show, there was a groundswell of enthusiasm for the game - culminating in 1939 when the national side went to St Helens and became the first French team - in any sport - to beat England on their home ground.

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Vichy has its own team today


By the outbreak of war there were 225 league clubs in France - all set up in just five years.

Rugby league was a professional game - players signed annual contracts with their clubs and had control over their careers.

It was seen as a modern, innovative sport - and was closely associated with the left-wing Popular Front government that came to power in France in 1936.

This was already enough to damn it in the eyes of the Petain government, but what modern research has shown is that the decision to actually prohibit the sport was the result of lobbying from powerful figures within rugby union close to the Vichy regime.

This year a French government inquiry found that "influential officials in the French Rugby Federation endeavoured to eliminate the competitor, which they claimed was a deviant form of rugby union."

Blacklist

So the ban came in. Rugby league's assets were seized, grounds were taken over, players were invited to repent.

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Right up until 10 years ago it was actually forbidden to call itself rugby at all
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Those who didn't were blacklisted.

Of course all this would be just a fascinating historical anecdote were it not for the fact that - acording to many rugby league enthusiasts - the effects of the ban are still being felt today.

After the war rugby a treize was unbanned - but in the spirit of deliberate amnesia, no-one wanted to explore too closely what had happened.

The result was that the game never received full recognition and indeed right up until 10 years ago it was actually forbidden to call itself rugby at all. Officially it was the jeu a treize - the game for 13.

The sport never got its assets back, and it's still impossible for anyone studying to become a state sports instructor to take rugby league as their option.

Some clubs find it hard to get access to playing fields.

No compensation

And the state of the sport in general?

Marginalised.

Today 20,000 people play it, compared with the quarter of a million who play rugby union.

The national side is no longer seen as a serious international competitor, and an attempt to get a French club into the British-based superleague collapsed.

And so to today - when after years in which the sport's governing body preferred not to rock the boat - a new generation of supporters is emerging that wants the truth to be told.

They know financial compensation is unlikely. But they want government help for the sport, and above all an official apology... for that signature 61 years ago, in a hotel overlooking the park.
 

YANTO

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More Evidence??

The game in France developed rapidly and received a great boost in 1937 with its admission to the Federation National Des Sports, giving Rugby League equality of status with other French sports after only three years in being. It took the Second World War and a Nazi puppet government to bring the momentum to a shuddering halt. On 29th December 1941, the Vichy government under Marshall Petain dissolved the French Rugby League and confiscated both its property and funds.
 

YANTO

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Marshall Petain's Vichy government had as its minister for national education and youth Colonel Jep Pascot, a former five-eighth for the French rugby union team in the 1920s.

"A conjunction of Petain's attitudes, Pascot's allegiances and the French Rugby Union's opportunism produced from Vichy a shameful ordinance which Petain himself signed, number 5285, decree of December19, 1941," Keneally reports. "Its first article stated, 'The association called French Ligue de Rugby a Treize, whose offices are at 24 Rue Drouet, Paris, is dissolved, assent having been refused it'. The rugby league headquarters were raided and plundered of documents and torched."
 

YANTO

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The recent BBC TV Wales series on the history of Rugby Union acknowledged the animosity of Union in France to League, culminating in the banning of League by the Vichy Government and allowed XIII-Actif Chair, Robert Fassolette, the opportunity to explain the salient facts.

There, despite the outrage expressed by many leading political and sporting figures, at the treatment of Rugby League by the Vichy Government, still the subject of an on-going National Inquiry, there are those in Rugby Union who continue to attack and try to stifle League. The "Agen affair" last year when the French Rugby Union stopped a televised League game taking place at the Council owned local Union club ground, despite agreement by all parties in the locality, was well documented.

But similar pressures have continued to be exerted, often more subtly and without the attendant publicity .

The latest, only last month, concerned the efforts of League enthusiasts in , of all places the town of Vichy, seat of the infamous war-time government that tried to kill League.

Vichy today , hosting the French National Sports Institute, oozes sports facilities , but when local treizistes recently tried to establish a new Rugby League club, they were told by the local Council that there was no pitch available . This in a country that prides itself , rightly, in providing facilities for any sports group that can justify it.
 

YANTO

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French rugby league becomes a casualty of the War when the puppet Vichy government bans the game because of its links with the Allies. The code’s funds and property are all confiscated, but rugby union is allowed to carry on unscathed and to regain much of the ground it had lost to Rugby a XIII.
 

YANTO

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That should be enouigh evidence of the French from the past to show how they feared league and it will turn full circle when Les catalans start in the Super League and once again you can bet the dirty tricks will re surface.
He continues: ``At a stroke, the game was banned, all league players were made to play union and all the French Rugby League's assets were seized, never to be returned.

``At the same time as league's death warrant was being signed, union was given a lifeline. And both codes can trace their post-war fortunes back to that murky period of France's past.''

Happily, and after many years of intransigence, today's French government have been cajoled into expressing a willingness to right some of those wrongs, although any cast-iron financial remuneration is still, as yet, unforthcoming.

And, despite that potentially fatal hammer-blow, French rugby league did revive spontaneously after the war and had some success, including playing host to that inaugural World Cup.

But without its resources, which had been suddenly taken away, and without the infrastructures and the flow of young players which had been crucially interrupted, the game began a slow decline.

``It has been a decline which has only sporadically - and temporarily - been reversed,'' adds a rueful Rylance, who will himself be sat in the Charlety Stadium when this latest episode in the game's long-yearned-for resurgence gets underway.
 

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