The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Perth Red]

More than half of NRL teams come from NSW. No point spending money on grassroots, if grassroots are not allowed to play.

However, it will be interesting if funding of juniors goes back to a similar level pre Covid.

or they could have redirected to give a boost to areas that normally get very limited funding! But then Vlandys wouldnt have got the pats on the back for the big surplus, but we digress.

This is going to be a controversial opinion around here, but f**k Penrith stadium.

It was a classic case of pork barreling that never should have got up in the first place, and the NRL and Panthers will get on just fine without it in a few years time when the bandwagon drops off again.

Not saying it should have been the priority but it was gifted into the NRL's lap and as we want every club to be one day playing in a venue fit for 21st century professional sport then we should be happy at least we can tick off another one. If it gets pulled because of Vlandys dummy spit then he should be stood down from chair. At moment it sounds like the party want to pull it as a f**k you to the NRL but the premier is sticking by it for voter reasons.

 

[Steel Saints]

Well here is the thing. The NRL agreed with the state gov. for the GF to remain in Sydney for $8 million. There's a couple of other annual events where other various state governments or NZ could bid for.

A. Neutral State of Origin game
B. Magic Round

The NRL can collect and save government revenue from those events and in x amount of years, it could have enough money to fund it's own stadium, where two or three teams can play.

So why don't the NRL try that strategy.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Where did they say it was never going to happen?

.....

Spoken about quite categorically in this news article 17 days ago -

‘Amateurish and embarrassing’: $250m broken promise to reignite stadium wars

The state government’s decision to scrap plans to invest in suburban grounds has the NRL exploring its options and club chairs up in arms.

www.smh.com.au

The Australian has a similar article published the same day, but it is behind a pay wall.

 

[Perth Red]

Well here is the thing. The NRL agreed with the state gov. for the GF to remain in Sydney for $8 million. There's a couple of other annual events where other various state governments or NZ could bid for.

A. Neutral State of Origin game
B. Magic Round

The NRL can collect and save government revenue from those events and in x amount of years, it could have enough money to fund it's own stadium, where two or three teams can play.

So why don't the NRL try that strategy.

Single tenant stadiums are a very poor investment beyond doing right by the clubs. You aren't making any money spending $200-300mill on a stadium for one club playing 10-12 games there. Over 20 years repayment you'd be looking at $15mil a year + interest + running and maintenance costs. You'd need to be filling the stadium and charging some pretty hefty rent to cover that and then make a profit!

 

[Iamback]

Spoken about quite categorically in this news article 17 days ago -

‘Amateurish and embarrassing’: $250m broken promise to reignite stadium wars

The state government’s decision to scrap plans to invest in suburban grounds has the NRL exploring its options and club chairs up in arms.

www.smh.com.au

The Australian has a similar article published the same day, but it is behind a pay wall.

This part from that article

Ayres, speaking at the announcement of a community open day for Sydney’s new Allianz Stadium, conceded the government’s spending priorities had changed and that the state may need to “wait a little bit longer” for further stadium upgrades.

So the only quote in it from a member of the Govt didn't rule it out.

 

[ground zero]

I dont think anyone thought otherwise. If they went ahead committed money to the Sharks I wasn't expecting any significant works till the 2024/25 season potentially.

Sharks are not getting a cent off taxpayers money for a privately own ground. Thats why the liberal party shit themselves. Fund your own stadium. 200 million bucks off taxpayers money to a stadium a private asset. Corruption at its best. live in fantasy land Tiger Shark. It aint happenning

 

[macavity]

In relation to your first point, it is because:

(1) Most stadiums used in Syudney are amongst the worst amenity wise;
(2) Newcastle had a motza spent on it around 10 years ago. Wollongong though could do with more;
(3) The NSW Government won't pay money for stadiums in other states or territories. I mean no one in their right mind would think that would even be possible; and
(4) Stadiums in Qld and Victoria currently used by NRL clubs are relatively new or far better than those in Sydney.

As such I'd suggest you do a little research before using a spend money on Sydney stadiums as meaning the NRL are being Sydney centric.

sorry when did Newcastle have “a motza” spent on it?

Want to look up what was actually spent?

Between 2003-2011 the whole stadium had approx $50mil spent on it (and was estimated to cost another 10 to finish… which was never done). So yeah, 50 mil and we had an unfinished stadium under construction for 8 years, and then it was never finished.

Compare that to what is getting thrown around now.

 

[The Great Dane]

Not saying it should have been the priority but it was gifted into the NRL's lap and as we want every club to be one day playing in a venue fit for 21st century professional sport then we should be happy at least we can tick off another one. If it gets pulled because of Vlandys dummy spit then he should be stood down from chair. At moment it sounds like the party want to pull it as a f**k you to the NRL but the premier is sticking by it for voter reasons.

Let them.

Missing out on the Penrith rebuild would not be the end of the world, and it’d put the NRL in an even better position to take the GF on the road.

Everyone’s a winner in that scenario, and there’s nothing stopping Penrith stadium from being addressed at another time when it’s more pressing.

 

[Wb1234]

What is the Government getting from building 3 professional clubs are CoE?

It gives them no advantage against States that aren't doing that, So why not just outbid those other states and save a few hundred Million dollars

Yeh but the coe funding has nothing to do with the funding for the stadia to keep the grand final

 

[Wb1234]

sorry when did Newcastle have “a motza” spent on it?

Want to look up what was actually spent?

Between 2003-2011 the whole stadium had approx $50mil spent on it (and was estimated to cost another 10 to finish… which was never done). So yeah, 50 mil and we had an unfinished stadium under construction for 8 years, and then it was never finished.

Compare that to what is getting thrown around now.

Yeh but tbf construction costs are way up now

to redo those two stands today at newy would probably be a 200 mill build

 

[Iamback]

Yeh but the coe funding has nothing to do with the funding for the stadia to keep the grand final

No but they offered a multi year deal, it was rejected because the Stadium upgrades wasn't part of it. So there is really no benefit to the state in that case. Just match the other states bid and save some money

 

[Iamback]

Let them.

Missing out on the Penrith rebuild would not be the end of the world, and it’d put the NRL in an even better position to take the GF on the road.

Everyone’s a winner in that scenario, and there’s nothing stopping Penrith stadium from being addressed at another time when it’s more pressing.

All the corporates live in Sydney, most of the officals too.

There is no way they take it elsewhere while NSW matches the bid

 

[macavity]

Yeh but tbf construction costs are way up now

to redo those two stands today at newy would probably be a 200 mill build

Even 200 for an unfinished stadium in a major city where the stadium gets heavy use and crowds any Sydney team would die for is still insulting compared to what is spent elsewhere in the state.

You have also made a good point for doing stadiums sooner than later.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

All the corporates live in Sydney, most of the officals too.

There is no way they take it elsewhere while NSW matches the bid

The beautiful thing about corporate life and that of officials is, they get to travel business class and stay in overnight luxury accommodation on somebody else’s money. Junkets are very popular

 

[Perth Red]

The beautiful thing about corporate life and that of officials is, they get to travel business class and stay in overnight luxury accommodation on somebody else’s money. Junkets are very popular

yeh I’m sure no exec is arking up about an all expenses paid trip to perth for a gf weekend, stay at crown towers and getting wined and dined on the swan!

 

[forby]

Let them.

Missing out on the Penrith rebuild would not be the end of the world, and it’d put the NRL in an even better position to take the GF on the road.

Everyone’s a winner in that scenario, and there’s nothing stopping Penrith stadium from being addressed at another time when it’s more pressing.

Everyone’s a winner except for Penrith.
Once again the region will get shafted, and if funding is resumed everyone will push them to the end of the queue.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Everyone’s a winner except for Penrith.
Once again the region will get shafted, and if funding is resumed everyone will push them to the end of the queue.

I think the fact that they’re the sole tenant is giving the others a reason to push them to the back of the line, sadly. Hasn’t been pulled yet so there’s still hope. Fingers crossed

 

[Iamback]

The beautiful thing about corporate life and that of officials is, they get to travel business class and stay in overnight luxury accommodation on somebody else’s money. Junkets are very popular

That would happen in Brisbane but you have

No way a company will choose the fly 40 staff over to Perth over staying in Sydney, Hiring a penthouse and some Coke

So if the offers match, Sydney will always win it saves the NRL needing to fly teams, Officials etc across the country too

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

That would happen in Brisbane but you have

No way a company will choose the fly 40 staff over to Perth over staying in Sydney, Hiring a penthouse and some Coke

So if the offers match, Sydney will always win it saves the NRL needing to fly teams, Officials etc across the country too

No but the top 10/15 of the decision-makers would, the rest would have to suck it up

 

[Iamback]

No but the top 10/15 of the decision-makers would, the rest would have to suck it up

or just not host GF functions, Or reduce the numbers.

It is why as long as NSW pays the same, it will always be here.

It isn't just NRL, AFL will always be in Melbourne for the same reasons.

People like to compare to events like the Superbowl but that is an apples v Oranges comparison.

For starters it dominates the US landscape as a sport and more so an event, 2nd it is only for the rich and celebrities.
NRL is only really big in 2 states and needs the plebs to go, I don't see many people dropping a couple of grand to go. Viewing in Ovals is horrible and you can get more family/Friends if you have a BBQ