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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...y/news-story/ed90992e33b8277313b2f2fc8789d7b2

Nervous NRL clubs want some clarity over stadiums strategy

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM June 27, 2017
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Sydney’s stadiums war is sizzling again as worried NRL clubs search for some certainty over the state government’s commitment to redevelop ANZ Stadium.

The Australian understands several Sydney clubs are keen to hold talks with ANZ Stadium executives and the NRL as they look to turn up the heat on the state government and ensure they honour their pledge to turn the ground into a state-of-the-art rectangular venue.

The latest developments come only days after leaked documents suggested a cost blowout at ANZ Stadium — a move which was viewed in some quarters as a scheme to place fresh pressure on the state government to redirect funds to Allianz Stadium.

Such is the concern among clubs who use the Olympic venue, they have begun moves to gain clarity from ANZ Stadium and the NRL. It is understood at least one club has reached out to the NRL’s head of government and community relations James Boland-Rudder, the former chief of staff for ex-premier Barry O’Farrell who played a crucial role in securing the $1.6 billion commitment from the state government to spend on Sydney stadiums.

The NRL has taken a neutral view. Their primary concern is not so much where the money is spent, but that the government doesn’t reduce the $1.6bn commitment it provided to the game and their clubs last year.

Such is the level of concern, it is understood there has been thought given to a meeting between the affected clubs and key ANZ Stadium officials — managing director Daryl Kerry and Venues NSW chair Christine McLoughlin.

Any change of tack by the state government would have significant ramifications for clubs across the Sydney rugby league landscape. Canterbury and South Sydney stand to be the greatest beneficiaries out of the existing situation given they both play out of ANZ Stadium on a permanent basis.

Both clubs are believed to be on edge over latest developments, although they are also wary of jumping at shadows given the view among some that last week’s leak was designed to scare the government into changing their original decision.

There is a belief among the NRL clubs who play at ANZ Stadium — Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra also take games to the venue while Parramatta will be based there until their home ground is redeveloped — that the SCG Trust is continuing to lobby the government for more funds to be directed to Allianz Stadium.

There is also a level of concern that state sports minister Stuart Ayres, an ardent supporter of Allianz Stadium during the initial process, may be driving the push for change. It is believed part of the argument being peddled behind the scenes is that the numbers simply aren’t there to justify the significant amount of money which has been earmarked for ANZ Stadium.

As part of the state government pledge, which was announced in April after furious lobbying between officials from the major stadiums in Sydney’s east and west, the decision was made to devote the lion’s share of the $1.6bn set aside for stadiums upgrade to the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium. The final figure has been contingent on a business case study being completed into costings for the ANZ Stadium overhaul. In the intervening period, Souths in particular have struggled to attract crowds to the venue.

The Rabbitohs are averaging less than 12,000 people while Canterbury’s figures have been inflated by two massive crowds for their games against Souths and St George Illawarra.

The clubs are also on edge over the state government’s $40 million commitment to fund Centres of Excellence. The clubs are of the belief that the panel deciding on where to direct those funds has made recommendations to Ayres but those recommendations are yet to be signed off.

The bigger concern, however, is the stadium funding and the impact it could have across the game. If the state government decides to redirect funding to Allianz Stadium, it would not only have repercussions for the future destinations of clubs, but also for grand finals in coming years.

The NRL is waiting for a finalise decision on the stadium investment before it decides whether to take grand finals on the road. The expectation was that up to four grand finals could be moved if ANZ Stadium underwent a major refurbishment, although that could be reduced to two if the stadium is shut down as part of the redevelopment.

Alternatively, the NRL may be forced to consider moving grand finals to Allianz Stadium if the state government does an about-face and devotes the majority of its funds to redeveloping the Moore Park venue.
 

taipan

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50% of their members live in the shire, 50% dont, if that's any indication?

Yet probably at least 80% of the crowd in attendance at Sharks Park would be from the Shire .And on Sunday night against Manly that could have been higher.
 

taipan

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In Melbourne where you love has little or no relation to which team you follow. 99% of St Kilda supporters don't live in St Kilda. This would partly be because they started moving to central stadiums in the 1980s and partly because the clubs all formed in the 19th century inner city before Melbourne sprawled.
We all know the cities are very different, but the game will wither if it becomes a TV only sport. It is a cop out to throw your hands in the air and say it is all too hard.


With due respects mate, the geographics,transport system, size,lack of centralised rectangular all seat stadiums is chalk and cheese comparing Melbourne with Sydney.
BTW how many Friday 6pm games are played in Melbourne,how many stadiums are not all seaters?
How many railway lines go directly to ANZ or the SFS?

You answered your own question ,the cities are indeed extremely different.

That being said once the new Parramatta stadium is completed, and once the state Govt gets their a*se into gear and redevelops ANZ to a rectangular one,that for a start will make a hell of a difference to crowds.Plus throw in a better schedule.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/3df9aa4bfc6f592b61d75a0f96c1652c

Todd Greenberg reiterates backing for ANZ Stadium redevelopment
NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg has written to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian to reiterate the code’s support for the redevelopment of ANZ Stadium — even if it means knocking the venue down and starting again.

The state government, under former premier Mike Baird, last year pledged to turn ANZ Stadium into a state-of-the-art rectangular venue as part of their $1.6 billion investment in the city’s stadiums strategy.

However, there have been whispers in recent weeks that the government may look to change those plans. The rumours gained impetus when a report was leaked last week that suggested the cost of redeveloping the stadium had blown out.

The lack of certainty prompted concerns among the clubs who use ANZ Stadium — in particular major tenants South Sydney and Canterbury — and led to the Greenberg taking up the fight on their behalf.

The Australian understands Greenberg wrote to Berejiklian to reiterate the code’s support for the original plan, which was announced as part of the $1.6bn stadiums strategy and would result in a 30,000-seat stadium at Parramatta, the rebuilding of ANZ Stadium so that it becomes the best rectangular venue in the country and the refurbishment of Allianz Stadium.

In the letter, Greenberg is also understood to have told the Premier that claims the cost of ANZ Stadium would blow out above the original estimates of $700 million to $800m did not correspond to the previous design briefs he had seen.

He added that if the only way to achieve the best rugby league stadium was to knock down the existing structure, the NRL would support that approach.

It was initially thought that the refurbishment of ANZ Stadium would be completed in phases over four years, during which the NRL had foreshadowed taking major events such as the grand final on the road.

However, there has been speculation the government could look to shut down the stadium and rebuild it over a shorter period, potentially leaving only two grand finals up for grabs — one would almost certainly be held in Brisbane while the other would likely be moved to the SCG.

State of Origin would also need to find a new home, although the NRL has already outlined plans to take one game each year to somewhere other than Queensland and NSW. Melbourne will have a game next year while Perth will host a game in 2019.

It is understood there has been interest from as far afield as Singapore and New Zealand, although as lucrative as those venues may be, the NRL will need come convincing to take a match such as Origin overseas.

Greenberg is also understood to have written that rugby league would be the anchor tenant in the new ANZ Stadium and he hoped that it would be superior to the current benchmark in the country for rectangular venues, Suncorp Stadium.

The sense among many within the code is that the SCG Trust is continuing to lobby the state government for more funds to be directed to Allianz Stadium at the expense of the investment in ANZ Stadium.

There is also a level of concern that NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres, an ardent supporter of Allianz Stadium during the initial process, may be agitating behind the scenes to have the stadium landscape dramatically altered.

The ramifications would be significant for the code. As part of the state government’s $1.6bn investment in Sydney stadiums, the NRL agreed to play grand finals and Origin matches at ANZ Stadium for a 20-year period.

The future of ANZ Stadium isn’t the only concern for the clubs. A number of Sydney sides are waiting to hear if they will receive funding out of the $40m set aside as part of the strategy for centres of excellence.
 

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Ayres is a social fumble ball player, and has as much real interest in rugby league as I do, walking on hot coals.
Yes he's the minister of Sport but he does have influence as to where the rebuilding should take place.

Getting SFS upgraded or rebuilt with more money would suit the SCG mob(Swan's base) next door.Allan Jones is another gimp pushing that issue.
 

El Diablo

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Ayres is a social fumble ball player, and has as much real interest in rugby league as I do, walking on hot coals.
Yes he's the minister of Sport but he does have influence as to where the rebuilding should take place.

Getting SFS upgraded or rebuilt with more money would suit the SCG mob(Swan's base) next door.Allan Jones is another gimp pushing that issue.
he used to work for the AFL as a development officer too
 

taipan

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he used to work for the AFL as a development officer too


Need we say any more.Loyalties are where? Stuffed away in the Sherrin he cuddles at night.
He's the equivalent of a Parliamentarian version of John Stanley or Tony Squires.
I love rugby league, but I';m a fumbling ambassador and actually attend their games.
Who needs sporting enemies?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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"The NRL has taken a neutral view. Their primary concern is not so much where the money is spent, but that the government doesn’t reduce the $1.6bn commitment it provided to the game and their clubs last year."

Im wondering why i was ever surprised that the NRL is a shit pill of competing interests with no clear idea of where it wants to go...

"give us the money and do what you like" seems to be the responce to EVERYTHING.
 

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The AFL will end up having a bigger say in how the stadium money is spent in Sydney. They are good at this stuff.
 

El Diablo

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The AFL will end up having a bigger say in how the stadium money is spent in Sydney. They are good at this stuff.
they had the shits they weren't even talked to and even though Spotless is only 5 years old the f**kers already wanted it upgraded to 35k

they can't get close to selling it out at 25k
 
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Ayres is a social fumble ball player, and has as much real interest in rugby league as I do, walking on hot coals.
Yes he's the minister of Sport but he does have influence as to where the rebuilding should take place.

Getting SFS upgraded or rebuilt with more money would suit the SCG mob(Swan's base) next door.Allan Jones is another gimp pushing that issue.

Ayres is very close to Alan Jones and a number of people on the SCG Trust. Don't forget, the Minister for Sport appoints the trustees.
 

Raiderdave

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i like Greenburgs suggestion
tear the f**king shithole down & start from scratch , & have it done for the start of the 2021 season
a 70K seat rectangle stadium with a roof where the present ANZ stands seeing as it has the transport infrastructure there already similar to that Russian one we saw a few pages back
now that would be f**king awesome!!
 

Marlins

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i like Greenburgs suggestion
tear the f**king shithole down & start from scratch , & have it done for the start of the 2021 season
a 70K seat rectangle stadium with a roof where the present ANZ stands seeing as it has the transport infrastructure there already similar to that Russian one we saw a few pages back
now that would be f**king awesome!!
And a 30k stadium in Campbelltown
 

siv

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i like Greenburgs suggestion
tear the f**king shithole down & start from scratch , & have it done for the start of the 2021 season
a 70K seat rectangle stadium with a roof where the present ANZ stands seeing as it has the transport infrastructure there already similar to that Russian one we saw a few pages back
now that would be f**king awesome!!

Better to tear the old railway sheds at Everliegh and build such as stadium next to major railway station
 
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Greenberg seems to be alluding to the idea that pulling down ANZ completely will be cheaper. If that's the case why the hell wasnt this mentioned earlier? Did they want to retain some of the history of the Olympics perhaps?

They actually went out of their way previously to say that the roof structure was seperate and therefore this would make renovations cheaper as it could be retained whilst the rest is demolished. Weird.
 

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