The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[forby]

i suppose we should wait to hear something official - Weidler has a history of getting things totally wrong.

 

[Colk]

So Canberra doesn't deserve a new stadium either? Fairs fair?
Penrith is more a region than a suburb like Manly or Cronulla. It encompasses Penrith City, Blue Mountains City, Hawkesbury Council, Blacktown City, and as far west as Lithgow and Bathurst.
The same way Canberra is a regional area and deservesa state of the art stadium.

Canberra doesn’t have eight teams within an hour or so from them (give or take). They also aren’t the only team playing there.

 

[westerntiger]

But what about the 18th wonder or whatever dumb arse they call the dump at balmain.

It’s the Eighth Wonder that we hardly ever win at

 

[forby]

Sure but how likely is all that? The government isn’t going to spend the 4 -5 billion (give or take) it would need for every club in Sydney to have a Commbank type stadium, particularly in the short to medium term. Clubs in Sydney have to make some sort of concessions here, whether that be fully relocating to the better facilities at hand or at least their bigger games there.

If you have a state of the art stadium within 20-25km you should use it. Penrith is > 35k away from Commbank. How can that be considered as a home ground.
If a new stadium is built it should be I Penrith.

 

[Perth Red]

Sure but how likely is all that? The government isn’t going to spend the 4 -5 billion (give or take) it would need for every club in Sydney to have a Commbank type stadium, particularly in the short to medium term. Clubs in Sydney have to make some sort of concessions here, whether that be fully relocating to the better facilities at hand or at least their bigger games there.

That might be the case, and that eventually might mean some teams wake up to that and use the stadiums gifted to the nrl. Bit that doesn’t mean abandoning the next decent stadia in favour of doing up dilapidated grounds is a good idea.

Ideally we’d see penrith (25-30k) and manly (smaller 20k) get new stadiums and sharks/dragons share a new stadium (25-30k).
Tigers and dogs to commbank FT. souths to allianz.

So that requires around $800mill and some movement and literally every club in sydney would be playing out of state of the art stadia full time.
As it is we are likely to see over $1.7billion spent and only 2 nrl clubs playing fulltime out of modern stadiums.that is just nuts!

 

[Colk]

If you have a state of the art stadium within 20-25km you should use it. Penrith is > 35k away from Commbank. How can that be considered as a home ground.
If a new stadium is built it should be I Penrith.

Ah ok so you are using different criteria for Manly and Cronulla then? Also Cronulla in particular takes more time to get to the SFS via public transport then Penrith does to get to Commbank via public transport. Manly also takes about an hour.

If I argued like you have that Penrith represents a whole wider region than just Penrith and applied that same argument to Manly then you could state that they encompass the whole North Shore as well as the whole of the Northern Beaches. There are a fair few people living in those areas - so don’t they deserve a new stadium as well by your logic?

The problem with this new stadium and the arguments around it is that they don’t make much critical or logical sense.

The argument that for example you are trying to lure events to that side of Sydney would mean that you would have to build something a lot bigger than what you currently have, not just slightly bigger. The argument that you are going to outgrow your current facilities - fine but again why do something that is only slightly bigger? The other argument is about the airport. Good argument in theory but why build the stadium 30kms away from the airport site and largely inaccessible to those people.

 

[Wb1234]

Who do you support?
Obviously not Penrith as your tag suggests.
You really sound like someone who says I've got my stadium stuff everybody else, just give them a few scraps to make it look ok.
The Penrith region deserves a new modern stadium and associated community facility as much as any other region, probably more so.

Lmao his side has been begging for a new ground for 10 years plus and no chance

man’s it’s not even in Sydney he could be complaining that Sydney clubs get new grounds and his doesn’t

 

[Perth Red]

Under my plan you’ve only then got 2 stadiums that are single NRL tenant

allianz 2 clubs
Commbank 3 clubs
southern stadium 1.5 clubs
northern stadium 1 club (plus some Waratahs games)
western stadium 1 club

it’s not unrealistic for sydney to have 5 state of the art stadiums plus Accor for big events.

 

[Diesel]

Have I missed something? Penrith stadium not going ahead?

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Is it $500mill or are you plucking figures out your arse?
yeh Vlandys May of kind of got what he wanted, sadly the game doesn’t get what it really needs.

Or more to the point the game doesn't get what you perceive it needs. Great outcome for 4 or 5 clubs and their supporters instead of just one club. Suck it up PR.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

So you’re plucking figures out your arse,thought so.

Pot kettle...

 

[Perth Red]

Or more to the point the game doesn't get what you perceive it needs. Great outcome for 4 or 5 clubs and their supporters instead of just one club. Suck it up PR.

True, after all why would we want clubs playing out of state of the art 25k plus stadiums with major corporate facilities generating loads of revenue. That would just be crazy lol

 

[Perth Red]

Pot kettle...

Would you like to expand, or just jumping on the baseline bandwagon? Funny how people can’t discuss things without getting personal.

 

[forby]

I didn’t bring up any airport argument, but it only 17km from Penrith, and is easily accessible by road and will be by the metro under construction to those that move to that area.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Would you like to expand, or just jumping on the baseline bandwagon? Funny how people can’t discuss things without getting personal.

Not me calling people dickheads mate. I seem to remember you claiming clubs could massively improve their profitability by playing out of "state of the art" stadiums and you used the Broncos as your case in point. I queried how much of the increased turnover equated to actual profit.... Crickets.

 

[Perth Red]

Not me calling people dickheads mate. I seem to remember you claiming clubs could massively improve their profitability by playing out of "state of the art" stadiums and you used the Broncos as your case in point. I queried how much of the increased turnover equated to actual profit.... Crickets.

That’s because you asked a question that could only be answered if you’re the broncos board, ceo or cfo. I’m none of those so how would I know specifically? It doesn’t take a genious that if your earning more than $1mill a game it’s highly likely you’re making more profit from it than if yourpre earning $200k a game.
What I could, and did tell you was how much revenue it generates compared to clubs playing in sht stadiums with few fans and corporates. I’m sure its no coincidence that the clubs with the best stadiums, biggest attendances and good corporate facilities are making the most profit.

my insults are reserved for a select few in response to their behaviour.

 

[baselinepanther]

So Canberra doesn't deserve a new stadium either? Fairs fair?
Penrith is more a region than a suburb like Manly or Cronulla. It encompasses Penrith City, Blue Mountains City, Hawkesbury Council, Blacktown City, and as far west as Lithgow and Bathurst.
The same way Canberra is a regional area and deservesa state of the art stadium.

well we have the brumbies & yawnion internationals etc
& host soccer internationals too

& its the territory govt & ACT tax payers who'll pay for our stadium .... so .. ya know
not even remotely the same thing

 

[baselinepanther]

Tigers should either go permanently to commbank or try and lobby for a Campbelltown upgrade and full time presence out there.

they have an equal numb of fans in the inner west , from annandale to burwood concord .. & the MacArthur region too

the above would only satisfy one lot of fans over the other ,
an equal spit is their only solution if campbelltown is upgraded for the for seeable future

 

[forby]

Has Weidler’s comments been reported anywhere else yet, or is it just his idea/view of the situation?

 

[Steel Saints]

After reading Weidlers article, upgrading the existing site at Penrith is a commonsense move. I am sure every fan in Sydney would want a home ground similar to CommBank. But that venue has more than one tenant.

As others have said, let's wait and see if Weidler's on the money. And if he is, what are the stadium plans to build at the existing site?

Personally, it has the potential to be great news for Penrith and other grounds as stated in the article. The thing that Panthers fans need to recognize is you will still a have home.

For years there's been talk that the NRL should move towards centralised/ bigger stadiums like they have done in Melbourne. But Sydney is mapped out differently.

And lately you hear about the potential demise of Leichhardt Oval as an NRL venue. And in the past we have seen Redfern Oval and Belmore fall by the wayside.

So in the end, Penrith may not get the Commbank stadium treatment, but you will still have a home. And if Penrith wants to improve crowd averages, take a couple of games a year to Accor.