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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Perth Red

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Any new stadium built should have, and should in future, been built with the ability to temp increase capacity to 40k at a lowest cost possible. typical short term thinking.
Mind you having been burnt by the corruption of fifa once already you’d have to question why you would even bother again?
 

Perth Red

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Wouldn't they want provision for up to 40k seats incase Australia bids for the 2030/34/38 FIFA World Cups? Though there have been two venues in the 2018 World Cup in Russia that held less than 40k (Kaliningrad and Central Stadium, Yekaterinburg.) The latter was notable for having temporary stands behind the goals that looked like this;
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Wow that’s a lot of scaffolding!
 

Jamberoo

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Any new stadium built should have, and should in future, been built with the ability to temp increase capacity to 40k at a lowest cost possible. typical short term thinking.
Mind you having been burnt by the corruption of fifa once already you’d have to question why you would even bother again?
Even without corruption, Asia will get the WC every 20 years at best. ASEAN (which will include Indonesia) will be next. We could well be up against China next time we bid (around 2062). Allowing for expansion to 40K will add $$$ and possibly make viewing worse. If you are going to have a roof, forget about increasing capacity.
 

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Even without corruption, Asia will get the WC every 20 years at best. ASEAN (which will include Indonesia) will be next. We could well be up against China next time we bid (around 2062). Allowing for expansion to 40K will add $$$ and possibly make viewing worse. If you are going to have a roof, forget about increasing capacity.
NQ stadium style would be the answer. 25k seats under roof, 5k open end that could have temp 10k stand added on.
 

Heisenberg

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Any new stadium built should have, and should in future, been built with the ability to temp increase capacity to 40k at a lowest cost possible. typical short term thinking.
Mind you having been burnt by the corruption of fifa once already you’d have to question why you would even bother again?
In Canberra you either get 25k-30k in Civic that services the city well for 30 odd years. If you want bigger for the remote chance Canberra hosts a soccer World Cup game, you get a white elephant in a shite location.

I know which option I’d prefer
 

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Not sure that we'll ever get a chance to host a Football World Cup, but at the same time, this current campaign of ours has certainly increased our chances. The live site videos have shown FIFA that there is some serious support for the national team in this country.
Did anyone even think of putting lives sites up for the RL WC? Nope. And who would have turned up to them anyway? Nobody.
Football is massive in this country. The A-League isn't. Why is that? It's because we are a massively multi-cultural country, and from which countries do come from that multi culture demographic come from? Yes, football supporting countries, who support their own leagues.
I'm not sure you other Leaguies realise how massive this would be.
You'll all get a taste of it next year for the Woman's World Cup.
And it is honestly, the only chance this country will ever have to get seriously decent rectangular stadium infrastructure delivered nation wide.
Don't hate on football. Embrace it. Both our sports can work together.
And football is not here to bring us down. Not like that oval supporting embarrassment from the south that has also ruined cricket pitches almost country wide.
 

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Was interesting seeing the stadiums done for the soccer world cup in Qatar. They looked pretty good on TV. I wonder if we could do something similar, even if in stages start at say 20-25k with modern tech, infrastructure then upgrade in stages when capacity needs to be increased. If multipurpose stadiums are something they need then surely a huge stadium can be made which can configure to oval and rectangular sports.
 

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Was interesting seeing the stadiums done for the soccer world cup in Qatar. They looked pretty good on TV. I wonder if we could do something similar, even if in stages start at say 20-25k with modern tech, infrastructure then upgrade in stages when capacity needs to be increased. If multipurpose stadiums are something they need then surely a huge stadium can be made which can configure to oval and rectangular sports.

Why would we want to configure any newly built stadium to oval when a football world cup is here to benefit RL, RU and Football?
Are you crazy, or ignorant or stupid?
Any investment in rectangular stadiums should stay that way, not give the oval sports a benefit - those of which have had more than enough Govt funding.
 
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Not sure that we'll ever get a chance to host a Football World Cup, but at the same time, this current campaign of ours has certainly increased our chances. The live site videos have shown FIFA that there is some serious support for the national team in this country.
Did anyone even think of putting lives sites up for the RL WC? Nope. And who would have turned up to them anyway? Nobody.
Football is massive in this country. The A-League isn't. Why is that? It's because we are a massively multi-cultural country, and from which countries do come from that multi culture demographic come from? Yes, football supporting countries, who support their own leagues.
I'm not sure you other Leaguies realise how massive this would be.
You'll all get a taste of it next year for the Woman's World Cup.
And it is honestly, the only chance this country will ever have to get seriously decent rectangular stadium infrastructure delivered nation wide.
Don't hate on football. Embrace it. Both our sports can work together.
And football is not here to bring us down. Not like that oval supporting embarrassment from the south that has also ruined cricket pitches almost country wide.
Rugby league and soccer clubs should work together. Both games would benefit from it.
 
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Even without corruption, Asia will get the WC every 20 years at best. ASEAN (which will include Indonesia) will be next. We could well be up against China next time we bid (around 2062). Allowing for expansion to 40K will add $$$ and possibly make viewing worse. If you are going to have a roof, forget about increasing capacity.
Australian soccer needs to forge closer ties with southeast Asia. Expand the A-League into Singapore and Hong Kong. The local game needs as much capital as it can get and there's little left over for them here, so go to markets that have it in spades. Singapore and Hong Kong need to expose their players to a higher quality competition like the A-League if they want to rise up the rankings.
 

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Plans for indoor stadium on the site of the Civic Olympic Pool reignited​

5 December 2022 | Tim Gavel

Imagining the new Civic stadium. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

Imagining the new Civic stadium. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

Just as it looked as though the proposed 30,000-seat indoor sporting stadium on the site of the Civic Olympic Pool was on the verge of being cremated, the concept has been resurrected.

A consortium of Canberra businesses, sporting organisations and the Convention Bureau have developed a 36-page proposal addressing the issue of ageing infrastructure in the ACT.

The document, which has been presented to the Prime Minister and the ACT Chief Minister as well as Canberra’s Members of Parliament and ACT MLAs, outlines a way forward to build a new Civic indoor stadium and a new convention centre, as well as a proposal for the AIS Arena.

The plan would see the development of a 30,000-seat stadium, for use by the Raiders, the Brumbies and soccer, as well as providing an international standard, state-of-the-art entertainment venue built on the footprint of the Civic Olympic Pool site.
https://the-riotact.com/the-canberr...for-their-inaugural-season-in-the-nrlw/617678
Issues such as the limitations of the footprint have been addressed with an inverted bowl strategy, while the problems associated with growing of natural grass in an indoor stadium could be overcome with the roof constructed of a product known as ethylene tetrafluoroethylene membrane.

This same product was used successfully on the roof of the Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin, which allows for the growth of natural grass.

The new Convention Centre would be built alongside the Civic stadium as one option, effectively straddling Parkes Way, negating the need for any relocation of the road.

It would also enhance the ‘City to the Lake’ concept.
Artist's impression on the city entertainment precinct. Photo: GHDWoodhead.'s impression on the city entertainment precinct. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

An artist’s impression of the city entertainment precinct. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

The proposal, which includes a hotel, would see the creation of a City East Entertainment Precinct with facilities for large-scale events coupled with the ability to cut costs as the stadium and the convention centre would be administered by the one entity, and utilise complementary infrastructure.

A new convention centre is viewed as being as equally important as a new stadium with Canberra being bypassed in the lucrative multibillion-dollar convention market.

To fund the facility the option of a public-private partnership has been proposed whereby a private company designs, builds and maintains the infrastructure on behalf of the government through a long-term contract.

With an estimated cost of between $495m and $736m, innovative funding options such as public-private partnerships are required.
https://the-riotact.com/the-stromlo...-recreation-award-for-event-excellence/617427
To that end, a business syndicate has proposed that underutilised land on the AIS Campus site be returned to the ACT.

This includes Canberra Stadium and the AIS Arena.

The ACT would then be in a position to offer the land to the public-private partnership for development to offset some of the costs associated with building a new facility at the Civic Olympic Pool site.

The proposal would see, as one option, resources set aside to refurbish the AIS Arena to be redirected to the planned medium-sized indoor stadium, currently undergoing feasibility and business case assessment at the University of Canberra.

Artist's impression of the surrounds of new city stadium. Photo: GHDWoodhead.'s impression of the surrounds of new city stadium. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

An artist’s impression of the surrounds of the new city stadium. Photo: GHDWoodhead.

It’s obvious Canberra’s major sporting and convention facilities are in urgent need of a significant overhaul. There is an apparent desire from the business and sporting communities to meet that challenge and to assist the ACT Government in securing financing for such a project without unduly affecting its long-term bottom line.

Observers are quick to point to the chronic capital underfunding of Commonwealth per capita grants over the past decade as a catalyst for the Commonwealth’s support for this proposition.

With Chief Minister Andrew Barr signalling a preference for a redevelopment of Canberra Stadium on the existing Bruce site, it remains to be seen whether there is an appetite to embrace this latest proposal.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but there's next to no chance that this gets up. It looks great in a flashy press release, but there isn't much substance to it.

The plan fails to address a bunch the problems with the Civic Pool site, the stadium would only fit in the wrong orientation for example, and it would require the Commonwealth to give assets to the ACT, which they've consistently refused to do. It's especially unlikely that they'd give the stadium and arena to the ACT when there's talk of reinvesting into the AIS.

They're not really proposing anything new either, with the exception of an inverted bowl design. Pretty much everything they're suggesting has been explored before and found to be unfeasible or too expensive.

If this consortium had identified a plot where a stadium was actually feasible then it might have had a chance, but instead we're continuing to flog the dead horse that is Civic.
 

Jamberoo

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Australian soccer needs to forge closer ties with southeast Asia. Expand the A-League into Singapore and Hong Kong. The local game needs as much capital as it can get and there's little left over for them here, so go to markets that have it in spades. Singapore and Hong Kong need to expose their players to a higher quality competition like the A-League if they want to rise up the rankings.
Perhaps they could have gone in that direction rather than introduce a series of very weak clubs in Melbourne and Sydney. Like the BBL, the A League is already well past it’s peak.
 

Timbo

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but there's next to no chance that this gets up. It looks great in a flashy press release, but there isn't much substance to it.

The plan fails to address a bunch the problems with the Civic Pool site, the stadium would only fit in the wrong orientation for example, and it would require the Commonwealth to give assets to the ACT, which they've consistently refused to do. It's especially unlikely that they'd give the stadium and arena to the ACT when there's talk of reinvesting into the AIS.

They're not really proposing anything new either, with the exception of an inverted bowl design. Pretty much everything they're suggesting has been explored before and found to be unfeasible or too expensive.

If this consortium had identified a plot where a stadium was actually feasible then it might have had a chance, but instead we're continuing to flog the dead horse that is Civic.

I've straight up given up on the idea of a Civic Stadium. Barr has made it clear he will never, ever fund it whilst continually finding money for Manuka and subsidies for the AFL.
 

This Year?

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Why would we want to configure any newly built stadium to oval when a football world cup is here to benefit RL, RU and Football?
Are you crazy, or ignorant or stupid?
Any investment in rectangular stadiums should stay that way, not give the oval sports a benefit - those of which have had more than enough Govt funding.
Usually the biggest stadiums in this country are goverment funded so they are multipupose. Look at how many SOO games that get played outside of QLD and NSW are played in oval configuared stadiums, but have god awful views. Being a RL fan of course I would prefer a rectangular configuaration. No need for the insults mate.
 

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The ‘code wars' are over the in nation's capital – for now at least – with the Canberra Raiders and Super Rugby team ACT Brumbies putting their differences aside to unite behind renewed calls for an upgraded stadium facility in Canberra.

The respective administrations both believe a new ‘Civic Stadium' would attract headline events and help make Canberra one of the nation's leading sporting cities.

An ‘inverted-bowl' design that could accommodate 30,000 people has been proposed for the Civic pool site in the heart of the city in close proximity to ANU, the National Gallery and Lake Burley-Griffin.

The proposal has been backed by Super Rugby chairman Hamish McLennan as well as NRL chief Andrew Abdo, and has also received significant support from ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr – although Barr believes a redevelopment of the current GIO Stadium facilities is also an option should the more centralised proposal encounter public or bureaucratic resistance.


“Canberra deserves a new stadium that will light up the city, generate civic pride and make it a destination for major events,” said McLennan, per the Canberra Times.

“The current stadium lacks fan and corporate amenities and modern player facilities.

“We'd love the opportunity to bring bigger games to Canberra and fans from around Australia and the world – but the reality is that Canberra has fallen behind the rest of the country as a sports-event destination.

“We'd urge the ACT Government to consider all options to give Canberrans the sporting venue in the city they deserve and which reflects its standing as the capital of our amazing country.”

Abdo was also effusive in his promotion of what a new stadium could bring to the region and the club, especially as the Raiders prepare to enter their inaugural NRLW team.

“The Raiders have a long and successful history in rugby league and the evolution of the club along with the game itself relies on world-class venues for fans,” Abdo said.

 

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