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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Quite a few of the clubs (both NRL and AFL) could probably afford to build their own modest stadiums if they really wanted to, but that isn't how we roll in Australia. In Australia we get the taxpayer to pay for the expensive infrastructure necessary to support our private businesses!

Seriously though, the Raiders could afford to build their own modest roughly 20k seater if they were smart about it. It'd fix a lot of the problems the club, and other rectangular sports, have in Canberra, and it'd give them another valuable asset. But they'll never, ever, look into that possibility because there's an arrogant entitlement to stadium infrastructure in the Australian sports industry.

TBF though, it'd probably be a bad idea to go down that route in the current economic climate.

You do realise that even in the USA, many sporting facilities (e.g. NFL stadiums) are, at worst, co-funded by local or state authorities right? For example, Levi Stadium (home of thge San Francisco 49ers) was built with $850 million from the Santa Clara City Council, with only $200 million contributed to construictipon by the 49ers themselves (and that was obtained via a loan from the NFL itself). Few of them are solely funded by the home sporting tenant in the US.
 

Perth Red

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So the AFL Gil loving pretend RL fan ..praises the Gabba rebuild which gives his beloved sport a new shiny state of the art stadium .
Yet when the question was asked about when Suncorp is getting a rebuild he immediately goes into a rant about how it doesn’t need it due to only selling out a few times a yr.

Anyone who thinks this flog is even 1% a RL fan needs help.
Anything AFL good
Anything RL bad ..don’t need it .

He doesn’t even try to hide his agenda anymore .
bless
 

Perth Red

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Suncorp doesn’t need to be bigger, Gabba doesn’t either, but it’s the Olympics so they’ll pss money away building something shiny for the world to look at. It’s got f**k all to do with afl or cricket or nrl being hard done to, but keep shouting at clouds lads lol
 

The Great Dane

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Cronulla would be the one who could most likely self fund their stadium after they sold the land around their ground for a healthy sum, but chose not to upgrade their ground for some reason. Penrith and the AFL's Collingwood and West Coast would be the other possible candidates who could self fund a stadium. Even the American Sports teams and to an extent, the EPL clubs get taxpayer funded stadiums/upgrades. Some new stadiums have even forced cities in the States to cut funding to essential services like hospitals because of controversial funding deals to try to prevent teams relocating
You do realise that even in the USA, many sporting facilities (e.g. NFL stadiums) are, at worst, co-funded by local or state authorities right? For example, Levi Stadium (home of thge San Francisco 49ers) was built with $850 million from the Santa Clara City Council, with only $200 million contributed to construictipon by the 49ers themselves (and that was obtained via a loan from the NFL itself). Few of them are solely funded by the home sporting tenant in the US.
You gotta love this place some times...

I didn't say anything about building a billion dollar state of the art stadium or anything of the sort, and I guarantee that every team in the EPL, NFL, most other major American sports teams, or their owners, could afford to build a "modest roughly 20k seater" if they wanted to.

Sure, I was being hyperbolic before and every infrastructure project of such scale needs government support at least on some level, but it'd certainly be within the power of the Raiders Group to plan and build their own modest boutique stadium with the help of a developer, and yes some government support.

Such a stadium wouldn't be anything comparable to CommBank, the SFS, or AAMI, let alone the likes of anything in the NFL or EPL. Think something more akin to a modern version of the suburban grounds in Sydney, except built to be more comfortable for spectators in Canberra's climate. Maybe a stadium similar to the sort that some Championship or League One EFL sides use is a better example.

At this point Bruce is unsuitable for most games and so out of date and poorly designed that it's hurting the businesses of every team in the city. Any stadium deigned to take Canberra's climate into account would massively benefit the business of all sides in Canberra, even if that stadium only has a 16-20k capacity and few modern conveniences.

You could use the boutique ground for most games, and rent it out to the other teams in city, but continue to use Bruce for the bigger games where necessary. Then once the government actually builds the new stadium, which is looking likely to be about 20 years away at the earliest (unless something unpredictable happens), you could either knock down the little boutique stadium and develop the land, or turn it into a COE and knock down the current COE and turn it into residential. Either way everyone benefits in the long run.

Current global economic situation aside, it's doable and should have been at least explored as a opportunity by now, and the only reason it hasn't been is because of a sense of entitlement, unwillingness to compromise, and allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good.
 
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The new Gabba will be a white elephant.

Yeah nah. As long as they keep using it for AFL and cricket it won’t be.Australia is one of the few places you can build a huge oval stadium for an Olympics and not create a white elephant. Sydney just screwed up thinking we could turn ours into a suitable ground for rectangular sports. Should’ve rebuilt the SCG for the Olympics instead.
 

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Yeah nah. As long as they keep using it for AFL and cricket it won’t be.Australia is one of the few places you can build a huge oval stadium for an Olympics and not create a white elephant. Sydney just screwed up thinking we could turn ours into a suitable ground for rectangular sports. Should’ve rebuilt the SCG for the Olympics instead.

Home bush could & should be rectangular but government didnt go through with plan to make adjustments, probably because of afl influence.
Scg would never have worked. Ground is too small & needed site to build village around. Never an option.
 
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Home bush could & should be rectangular but government did go through with plan to make adjustments, probably because of afl influence.
Scg would never have worked. Ground is too small & needed site to build village around. Never an option.
Stands are too shallow

the main stand other than the first 20 rows is useless

you should see the crap they sell as members seats there
 
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Yeah nah. As long as they keep using it for AFL and cricket it won’t be.Australia is one of the few places you can build a huge oval stadium for an Olympics and not create a white elephant. Sydney just screwed up thinking we could turn ours into a suitable ground for rectangular sports. Should’ve rebuilt the SCG for the Olympics instead.

How many times will it be sold out after the Olympics are done and dusted?

Cricket matches are lucky to get 15k through the gates. Fumbleball won't get more than 30k.
 

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Home bush could & should be rectangular but government didnt go through with plan to make adjustments, probably because of afl influence.
Scg would never have worked. Ground is too small & needed site to build village around. Never an option.

It was never going to happen because the reality of a big oval stadium like that is that it just cant beadjusted into a good rectangle configuration without a complete knockdown and rebuild. The Lower tiers have to be completely moved, and that leaves the upper tiers way back and too far from the action. plus moving the lower tiers inwards results in a terrible dripline.
I think the idea of having to build an entire Olympic precinct is often much of the problem with Olympic venues. much easier to repurpose individual venues after a games than what is effectively an entire suburb.
 

Jamberoo

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How many times will it be sold out after the Olympics are done and dusted?

Cricket matches are lucky to get 15k through the gates. Fumbleball won't get more than 30k.
Why does it need to be sold out? Anyway, the last nine days of cricket there this summer were actually all over 15k. (averaged over 20k). The last three Lions games were over 30k. Those crowds will increase in a new stadium. It will have over 20 days each year being at least half full. Not even close to a white elephant. Homebush is Australia’s major white elephant. Poor concept. Poor execution.

Gabba is a dump compared to our other cricket grounds (other than SCG). A rebuild is a massive win for cricket. Which after all, is our national sport.
 
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Why does it need to be sold out? Anyway, the last nine days of cricket there this summer were actually all over 15k. (averaged over 20k). The last three Lions games were over 30k. Those crowds will increase in a new stadium. It will have over 20 days each year being at least half full. Not even close to a white elephant. Homebush is Australia’s major white elephant. Poor concept. Poor execution.

Gabba is a dump compared to our other cricket grounds (other than SCG). A rebuild is a massive win for cricket. Which after all, is our national sport.

The only time the Gabba comes close to selling out is when the Ashes are on.


The good thing about the construction of Brisbane Live Arena in Roma Street and the reconfiguration of the Gabba is it will cement Brisbane as Australia's premier city. Brisbane will have the country's best stadia for rugby league, rugby union, soccer, basketball and netball. The Gabba will shit all over the deprepit SCG.

Brisbane will be the only city in the world to host the Olympic Games, Goodwill Games and Commonwealth Games. That'll make the Victorians insecure.

We just need to get the NRL grand final to Lang Park as it's the spiritual home of rugby league. Sydney doesn't have an adequate stadium for the GF. SFS is too small with poor facilities -- the toilets don't work properly -- and Stadium Australia is a dump that provides a poor viewing experience for spectators.

Queensland will continue to produce Australia's best Olympians and rugby league players. The most financially viable rugby league clubs in the world will continue to be from Queensland. The weather up here is head and shoulders superior to the dreary rainy crap down south.

It's a great time to be a Queenslander. No wonder everyone from Sydney and Melbourne who has a brain continue to migrate to Brisbane.
 
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Pippen94

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It was never going to happen because the reality of a big oval stadium like that is that it just cant beadjusted into a good rectangle configuration without a complete knockdown and rebuild. The Lower tiers have to be completely moved, and that leaves the upper tiers way back and too far from the action. plus moving the lower tiers inwards results in a terrible dripline.
I think the idea of having to build an entire Olympic precinct is often much of the problem with Olympic venues. much easier to repurpose individual venues after a games than what is effectively an entire suburb.

Can be done with right planning. Nsw government not wanting to spend the money is why it didn't happen
 

Pneuma

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Why does it need to be sold out? Anyway, the last nine days of cricket there this summer were actually all over 15k. (averaged over 20k). The last three Lions games were over 30k. Those crowds will increase in a new stadium. It will have over 20 days each year being at least half full. Not even close to a white elephant. Homebush is Australia’s major white elephant. Poor concept. Poor execution.

Gabba is a dump compared to our other cricket grounds (other than SCG). A rebuild is a massive win for cricket. Which after all, is our national sport.
Gee you are an optimist. Lions crowds only reach over 30000 if they are in the top 4. Cricket is a diminishing sport and only gets good crowds against the right opposition. Those two factors will determine how often it’s over half full. Not your flight of fancy.
 

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