The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[SLRBRONCOS]

There's some gold seething out on the webs. Apparently this is a travesty because the lions need a 70-80k stadium due to auskick numbers.

My personal favourite is the comments in the Australia subreddit stating that Brisbane "had the opportunity to have a world class stadium and now it's gone".

Suncorp with a 65-70k capacity + new roof, lighting, screen integration, and food outlets, and it is exactly that.

 

[Jetka100]

Non afl fan suggests multi billion dollar spend on an afl ground and no funding for an NRL ground? Solid.

It’s called wanting to get better value for the taxes I pay. I would rather they make Kayo stadium a better boutique stadium if they were going to spend 100s of millions of dollars. I would be happy for them to renovate Suncorp but not if it means missing out on a first class stadium and the 1.5 billion being spent on an athletics stadium. The fact that people here think that wanting world class facilities somehow makes you an AFL fan shows how pretty limited people’s world views are. A lot of league fans here in Brisbane also like seeing cricket matches, concerts and the occasional AFL match. We’re not like the insular fools in Victoria who have to treat their sport like it is some sort of religion.

 

[Wb1234]

Maybe. Either way, it’s alarming to think that Brisbane was awarded the games nearly three years ago and they still haven’t finalised their venue plans.

Pretty sure it was the ioc that told qld spending 2.5 billion wasn’t needed and to find a cheaper option

 

[Desert Qlder]

“Just the occasional AFL match…”

 

[mongoose]

3.4 billion!! LOL after all the media coverage over the Gabba rebuild costing too much, how the f**k was the government going to spin an even more expensive white elephant to the public?

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

It’s called wanting to get better value for the taxes I pay. I would rather they make Kayo stadium a better boutique stadium if they were going to spend 100s of millions of dollars. I would be happy for them to renovate Suncorp but not if it means missing out on a first class stadium and the 1.5 billion being spent on an athletics stadium. The fact that people here think that wanting world class facilities somehow makes you an AFL fan shows how pretty limited people’s world views are. A lot of league fans here in Brisbane also like seeing cricket matches, concerts and the occasional AFL match. We’re not like the insular fools in Victoria who have to treat their sport like it is some sort of religion.

I appreciate your opinion but you're missing THE point.

The Gabba just won't be used enough. Nor would the stadium at Victoria Park. Putting the money into Suncorp will result in Brisbane having a world class stadium. The Gabba went 10 years without a sports sell out THIS century - it won't quite be a 'white elephant' but it will key the new phrase: 'beige elephant'.

The Gabba rebuild and the Victoria Park concept are like owning a Ferrari but catching the bus.

 

[Wb1234]

3.4 billion!! LOL after all the media coverage over the Gabba rebuild costing too much, how the f**k was the government going to spin an even more expensive white elephant to the public?

Propose something with no chance of approval to get the budget version approved without people complaining

(politics)

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

3.4 billion!! LOL after all the media coverage over the Gabba rebuild costing too much, how the f**k was the government going to spin an even more expensive white elephant to the public?

I fully lol'd for real when I read it. Like for $3.4b we need a Sofi or Allegiant. Not a 55k cake tin. f**k me.

 

[nko11]

I am not an AFL fan, but this the most politically motivated short sighted decision from this pathetic Labor Government in a long time. Wasting 1.5 billion on an athletic stadium that will virtually never be used again in completely ridiculous. How many people are planning on going to an athletics meeting in their life time. Money spent on the Gabba will again be a complete waste because it’s useful life runs out in about 2030. So more wasted money. You spend how many hundreds of millions on Suncorp for a few extra thousand seats. Who gives a f@%k. It sells out maybe for State of Origin and a handful of other games a year. I would rather prefer to get good infrastructure for my city, rather than have some pretend bragging rights over a sport I could give 2 f@#ks about. Miles is a stain on humanity. If anyone thinks this decision makes him some kind a hero, they either don’t live in Queensland or are completely f#@king delusional.

If you actually look in depth at the longterm benefits of each and ROI, Suncorp comes out so far on top it's not funny. For Suncorp, you've got Origin, Magic Weekend, Brisbane Derbies, International Football games (Mens and Womens), International Union games, Big football friendlies (Barcelona, etc), even maybe NFL games at some point - Not to mention a large chance of NRL GF's (especially with Olympic quality corporates to sell). All of these are events and aren't dependent on how the local team is going.

Cricket, as much as I enjoy it, really doesn't offer much for crowds. Perth spent $1.6 Billion on their stadium and got less than 60K to four days of Test cricket last year. BBL is up and down, 25k in good years, 15k in bad. They would be pretty well set with a 35k stadium for the next 30 years.

The other thing to take into account is the bandwagon nature of Brisbane. It's happened so many times in the past. Team starts doing well and supporters of that code start jumping up and down that it's now an X city. Happened with the Reds in the early 2010's (averaged 34k) and happened with the Lions in the early 2000's (33k). Then 5 years later when they're not getting into finals every year their crowds drop. Lions in the past 5 years have come 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 2nd. That's why you're hearing about it now. Dolphins go on that run and they'd be averaging 40k. Only team that seems immune is the Broncos, Dolphins are too early to tell. To make decisions about spends on stadiums around when both the Heat and Lions are doing well is setting yourself up for having a $3.4 billion white elephant in 10 years time.

I'm sure in 2004 AFL fans were already calculating the Lions would need a 80k stadium by 2017, but look what happened. For reference they averaged 27k last year.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

My personal favourite is the comments in the Australia subreddit stating that Brisbane "had the opportunity to have a world class stadium and now it's gone".

Suncorp with a 65-70k capacity + new roof, lighting, screen integration, and food outlets, and it is exactly that.

Yeah but it will always have piss seats

 

[Desert Qlder]

I appreciate your opinion but you're missing THE point.

The Gabba just won't be used enough. Nor would the stadium at Victoria Park. Putting the money into Suncorp will result in Brisbane having a world class stadium. The Gabba went 10 years without a sports sell out THIS century - it won't quite be a 'white elephant' but it will key the new phrase: 'beige elephant'.

The Gabba rebuild and the Victoria Park concept are like owning a Ferrari but catching the bus.

You’re attempting the equivalent of reasoning with a religious fundamentalist.

 

[Jetka100]

Propose something with no chance of approval to get the budget version approved without people complaining

(politics)

If you think people aren’t going to complain about what Miles is proposing you will be sadly mistaken (or he will at least)

 

[shewi6]

It’s called wanting to get better value for the taxes I pay. I would rather they make Kayo stadium a better boutique stadium if they were going to spend 100s of millions of dollars. I would be happy for them to renovate Suncorp but not if it means missing out on a first class stadium and the 1.5 billion being spent on an athletics stadium. The fact that people here think that wanting world class facilities somehow makes you an AFL fan shows how pretty limited people’s world views are. A lot of league fans here in Brisbane also like seeing cricket matches, concerts and the occasional AFL match. We’re not like the insular fools in Victoria who have to treat their sport like it is some sort of religion.

$3.5 billion before cost blowouts for 1 stadium that doesn't benefit the majority of taxpayers is better value for money?

You say you're not an afl fan but you are as stupid and myopic as one.

I for one don't want my qld tax money going to an expensive afl stadium and I can guarantee I won't ever go to an aflol game. Qlders are more parochial than you beleieve, the vast majority of afl attendees in QLD are expat victorians.

 

[SLRBRONCOS]

Yeah but it will always have piss seats

shutup you bald bottom

 

[Mr. Shaman]

shutup you bald bottom

That’s Mr. Bald Power Bottom

 

[Jetka100]

You’re attempting the equivalent of reasoning with a religious fundamentalist.

Do you seriously think that if the Miles Government scraped back in they wouldn’t pull the pin on the Suncorp renovation. They couldn’t manage money to save themselves. You can actually want a decent oval stadium without being an AFL supporter. It’s not that difficult of a concept to understand. People need to spend a bit less time worrying about AFL and just enjoy the growth NRL is going through. People in Queensland are not that insecure about it.

 

[T to the T]

Do you seriously think that if the Miles Government scraped back in they wouldn’t pull the pin on the Suncorp renovation. They couldn’t manage money to save themselves. You can actually want a decent oval stadium without being an AFL supporter. It’s not that difficult of a concept to understand. People need to spend a bit less time worrying about AFL and just enjoy the growth NRL is going through. People in Queensland are not that insecure about it.

AFL troll is obvious

 

[Jetka100]

$3.5 billion before cost blowouts for 1 stadium that doesn't benefit the majority of taxpayers is better value for money?

You say you're not an afl fan but you are as stupid and myopic as one.

I for one don't want my qld tax money going to an expensive afl stadium and I can guarantee I won't ever go to an aflol game. Qlders are more parochial than you beleieve, the vast majority of afl attendees in QLD are expat victorians.

Mate, I have lived in Queensland for 36 of my 50 years, I know rugby league is our main sport and it is mine, but it is this short sighted political bullshit we get from our second rate politicians is what holds this State back.

 

[nko11]

Do you seriously think that if the Miles Government scraped back in they wouldn’t pull the pin on the Suncorp renovation. They couldn’t manage money to save themselves. You can actually want a decent oval stadium without being an AFL supporter. It’s not that difficult of a concept to understand. People need to spend a bit less time worrying about AFL and just enjoy the growth NRL is going through. People in Queensland are not that insecure about it.

Meanwhile in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide for rectangular grounds they either have ancient poor quality grounds or stadiums too small for their population. But we should build a $3.4 Billion dollar stadium that only caters for 2 sports in the whole world. Aami Park was $268 million ffs.

You do also realise if they put down the $3.4 Billion on the other stadium, Suncorp isn't going to see a cent of money for the next 20 years. This directly effects our chances of getting a rectangular world class stadium that can compete with the capacity of Accor and the MCG, with actual quality.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We should be sweet given that the Gabba will be getting funds too. Suncorp's boundaries mean that they can only really go up and not out. I can't see Suncorp being ruined, it's a sacred place for Queenslanders and part of the Brisbane identity.

The Olympics were a totally different beast when Sydney were planning. I mean, look at Paris. They're having the Opening Ceremony down the Seine - a rectangular stadium will be fine.

Make the stands so high that they can be used for a new Olympic event.

Synnchronised bungee jumping while having a XXXX.