The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[flippikat]

Auckland still needs a #2 stadium a notch down in capacity from the main one. Given the fact that it’ll also take 5-10 years to get the new stadium actually built, I think there’s a strong case to upgrade Mt Smart to 30-35K, even if it’s a relatively no frills upgrade with mostly uncovered stands (given that the areas where you’d build extra capacity at Mt Smart are all at the ends, so not premium seating anyway) You could probably get it done for 20-50M.

Yeah, I still think there's a need for a 30k-ish 2nd footy stadium, and with North Harbour likely to be downsized (if not decommissioned entirely), Mount Smart makes sense for that.

Then you'd have a degree of flexibility there - especially for when concerts occupy the big main stadium & footy needs somewhere else when that's happening.

Cricket needs to stay out of this & have their own oval constructed.

The needs of cricket - especially longer forms where crowds appreciate space & greenery - are utterly incompatible with the needs of a footy stadium.

Cricket wouldnt just be doing the footy codes a disservice by imposing their sport on the design brief, they'd also be doing themselves a disservice as well by getting a ground that's too high in capacity for most cricket matches, too small to be a full oval, and too sterile for one-day & test matches.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah, I still think there's a need for a 30k-ish 2nd footy stadium, and with North Harbour likely to be downsized (if not decommissioned entirely), Mount Smart makes sense for that.

Then you'd have a degree of flexibility there - especially for when concerts occupy the big main stadium & footy needs somewhere else when that's happening.

Cricket needs to stay out of this & have their own oval constructed.

The needs of cricket - especially longer forms where crowds appreciate space & greenery - are utterly incompatible with the needs of a footy stadium.

Cricket wouldnt just be doing the footy codes a disservice by imposing their sport on the design brief, they'd also be doing themselves a disservice as well by getting a ground that's too high in capacity for most cricket matches, too small to be a full oval, and too sterile for one-day & test matches.

Shame they don’t keep north harbour and upgrade it’s a nice looking ground

I guess it’s too far from the warriors traditional fan base in south Auckland

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Yeah, I still think there's a need for a 30k-ish 2nd footy stadium, and with North Harbour likely to be downsized (if not decommissioned entirely), Mount Smart makes sense for that.

Then you'd have a degree of flexibility there - especially for when concerts occupy the big main stadium & footy needs somewhere else when that's happening.

Cricket needs to stay out of this & have their own oval constructed.

The needs of cricket - especially longer forms where crowds appreciate space & greenery - are utterly incompatible with the needs of a footy stadium.

Cricket wouldnt just be doing the footy codes a disservice by imposing their sport on the design brief, they'd also be doing themselves a disservice as well by getting a ground that's too high in capacity for most cricket matches, too small to be a full oval, and too sterile for one-day & test matches.

Cricket is easily sorted if they go with Quay park as the footy option.
Main footy stadium - Quay Park
Main cricket stadium - Eden Park, retain the South stand, demolish the others and remodel it with embankments and terracing around the remainder of the oval. Would still easily fit 30K+, be open and green and fit a full size cricket oval. Also wouldn’t cost a ridiculous amount.
second footy stadium - Mt Smart upgraded to 30-35k with a permanent south stand and some terracing on the northern hill. Leave the rest of the north end as is to provide flexibility for concerts etc.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Shame they don’t keep north harbour and upgrade it’s a nice looking ground

I guess it’s too far from the warriors traditional fan base in south Auckland

You answered your own question

North Harbour is a worse location not only for the bulk of local fans but also for most out of town fans who come from south of Auckland for games. It’d seriously risk a decline in crowds as a result.

 

[Diesel]

The latest on Auckland - the working group has narrowed the 4 choices down to two options: Eden Park V2.0 (upgrade of Eden Park) or Quay Park (New build).

That recommendation of the best 2 options goes to council on Thursday, and if they agree then both get business cases prepared over next few months... then HOPEFULLY the final choice between the two.

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EAP has had enough chances and it run by rugby toffs. Haven’t seen Quay Park but seems a better location

 

[Diesel]

Make EP a cricket ground, something like a smaller version of Adelaide Oval. NZ finally moving away from multi purpose stadiums. Wellington should be next

 

[Diesel]

PNG national stadium is going to need an upgrade too. Hopefully Australia isn’t paying for that

 

[Wb1234]

Make EP a cricket ground, something like a smaller version of Adelaide Oval. NZ finally moving away from multi purpose stadiums. Wellington should be next

Which is a better location for a stadium assuming the warriors will use it ? ( out of the two proposals)

 

[Bukowski]

PNG national stadium is going to need an upgrade too. Hopefully Australia isn’t paying for that

I think we're paying for everything

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Which is a better location for a stadium assuming the warriors will use it ? ( out of the two proposals)

Quay Park, easily.

 

[Diesel]

I think we're paying for everything

Hopefully that comes out of the afls bucket of funding. They’ve been sponging off the Australian taxpayers for the benefit of a few Melbourne suburbs

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Make EP a cricket ground, something like a smaller version of Adelaide Oval. NZ finally moving away from multi purpose stadiums. Wellington should be next

Doesn’t even n ed to be much smaller. Retain the large south stand, get rid of the others (maybe keep a portion of the north stand for media/broadcast facilities), remodel as an oval with embankments/terraces. Would hold 30k+ easily,

 

[Wb1234]

Hopefully that comes out of the afld bucket of funding. They’ve been sponging off the Australian taxpayers for the benefit of a few Melbourne suburbs

PNG govt will fund their stadium

Wonder who will own the resort they are building for players in png ? Is it the arlc or the club

 

[Diesel]

Which is a better location for a stadium assuming the warriors will use it ? ( out of the two proposals)

Quay Park, its downtown and EP has a trust much like the SCG which hasn’t really worked out.

 

[Diesel]

PNG govt will fund their stadium

Wonder who will own the resort they are building for players in png ? Is it the arlc or the club

Good question and not sure. It could be a joint venture between ARLC and PNG Govt

 

[Wb1234]

Good question and not sure. It could be a joint venture between ARLC and PNG Govt

I’m pretty sure the 100 million to build it comes out of the 300 million that’s going to the png nrl side so essentially it’s “our” money just who gets to own it

if the png team own it it’s a great asset to have behind them including gyms and probably retail as well

 

[MugaB]

Hopefully that comes out of the afls bucket of funding. They’ve been sponging off the Australian taxpayers for the benefit of a few Melbourne suburbs

this is why im happy NRL got something out of them, too often the govt rolls over when it comes to other sports, and generally we get shafted

 

[flippikat]

Doesn’t even n ed to be much smaller. Retain the large south stand, get rid of the others (maybe keep a portion of the north stand for media/broadcast facilities), remodel as an oval with embankments/terraces. Would hold 30k+ easily,

That all depends on whether the Eden Park site needs to be sold/redeveloped (probably to medium density housing) to help fund the new stadium.

If it's not necessary to sell/redevelop ALL of the Eden Park site (main stadium and outer cricket oval) then maybe there's scope to keep one as the premier Auckland cricket venue in some re-modelled way.

But if all that land needs to be redeveloped to fund Auckland Council's contribution to any new footy stadium, then an alternative cricket oval site needs to be identified ASAP.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

That all depends on whether the Eden Park site needs to be sold/redeveloped (probably to medium density housing) to help fund the new stadium.

If it's not necessary to sell/redevelop ALL of the Eden Park site (main stadium and outer cricket oval) then maybe there's scope to keep one as the premier Auckland cricket venue in some re-modelled way.

But if all that land needs to be redeveloped to fund Auckland Council's contribution to any new footy stadium, then an alternative cricket oval site needs to be identified ASAP.

Given Eden Park’s ownership situation I’m not sure selling it off to fund Quay Park is even on the cards.

 

[yakstorm]

Given Eden Park’s ownership situation I’m not sure selling it off to fund Quay Park is even on the cards.

The Eden Park website actually has an Fact Sheet (https://edenpark.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/fact-sheet_updated.pdf) more or less reinforcing this.

Myth: Auckland Council could sell Eden Park to fund a new downtown stadium

Fact: Eden Park is owned and operated by an independent charitable trust. Auckland Council has no ownership rights or control over the Trust.