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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Perth Red

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http://www.rugbyleaguehub.com/2017/10/14/opinion-how-sydney-stadia-should-be-reshaped-in-detail/

Not a bad idea. I like how he compares Sydney to London with their Premier League clubs having their own stadia, rather than the comparison we get with Melbourne . I disagree with spending money on both Leichhardt and Campbelltown, the Tigers need to pick one and stick. The SCG can miss out too. They’ve had their fair share of upgrades for now.

Lol, the guy has no idea! $20mill spent on these suburban grounds is going to make zero difference.

If decsisions were being made for the best interest of sports fans in Sydney you'd have
Redeveloped anz (Sunday nrl double header game each week and all Sydney finals)
35k new Allianz (Souths, Dragons 3 games and Roosters, soccer and union) This effectively will be Sydneys most used stadium and can justify the transport infrastructure expenditure to make it work
30k western Sydney stadium (Eels and soccer)
35k stadium for Bulldogs and Wests to share in suitable location
20k manly stadium
New stand at Penrith
New stand at Cronulla
Upgrade to Wollongong for dragons 7 games

That's presuming these small suburb clubs have a top flight future
 
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No link yet, but basically says Ayres is going to ask for $2b to knock down both ANZ & Allianz. Pretty much where I thought we’d end up.

Seriously though, $700m for a 45k stadium at Moore park is bat shit insane. Gold plated nonsense to curry favour.

It will get over 35k no more than 2-3 times per year.
 
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You could dial back Allianz stadium to $400m and spend the $300m saved on local grounds. If you could bump that $300m up another $100m via federal money, club, council & NRL contributions, you could get some nice outcomes at a few grounds.
 

CC_Roosters

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Where on earth does the money go, absolutely vast sums of money that imo should go nowhere near private companies on that scale. If the scg want a new ground it should be them generating private investment....pigs in the trough...

In the likes of the UK it doesn't seem to take that level money to build a stadium. And it's generally with a lot less public money
 
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Where on earth does the money go, absolutely vast sums of money that imo should go nowhere near private companies on that scale. If the scg want a new ground it should be them generating private investment....pigs in the trough...

In the likes of the UK it doesn't seem to take that level money to build a stadium. And it's generally with a lot less public money

The difference is labour costs mostly. Australian tradesmen along with labourers earn some of the highest wages in the world for their fields.

Plus there’s less competition in the building sector, particularly for the bigger companies that it takes to build a stadium.

SCG isn’t private enterprise though, nor is ANZ anymore.
 
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Where on earth does the money go, absolutely vast sums of money that imo should go nowhere near private companies on that scale. If the scg want a new ground it should be them generating private investment....pigs in the trough...

In the likes of the UK it doesn't seem to take that level money to build a stadium. And it's generally with a lot less public money

Stadia rebuilds in NSW are like weddings.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...m/news-story/ebf6411e9eecd4b43ae0b960d329fc73

NRL breaks ranks to support ANZ over Allianz Stadium

  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM October 17, 2017
  • Brent Read
The NRL has broken ranks with its fellow Sydney Moore Park inhabitants only days from a cabinet meeting that is expected to determine whether the NSW government makes Allianz Stadium or ANZ Stadium their priority for redevelopment.

The Australian last week revealed a letter had been drafted on behalf of the Alliance of Moore Park Sports (AMPS) urging NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian to knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park with a minimum capacity of 35,000.

However, it is understood that the letter was subsequently revised to also request that Allianz Stadium be made the priority for development once the freshly-minted Parramatta Stadium is complete in early-2019.

The NRL has consistently requested that ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park be next in line and as such, elected not to offer their support to the letter before it was sent to Berejiklian.

AMPS includes all codes and clubs who use Allianz Stadium and the SCG — the Sydney Roosters, Cricket NSW, Sydney FC, the Sydney Swans, the NSW Waratahs, AFL NSW/ACT and the Australian Rugby Union. It is understood all the Allianz Stadium clubs including the Roosters — as well as the ARU — signed the letter.

In its original draft, the letter made no mention of timing and merely asked that Allianz Stadium be knocked down and rebuilt. However, the NRL was left with little choice but to withdraw their support when it was altered to ask that Allianz Stadium be given preference over ANZ Stadium once the time comes to undertake the next stage of the state government’s stadiums strategy,

The state government pledged $1.6 billion to the redevelopment of Sydney stadiums more than a year ago but while Parramatta Stadium has progressed as planned, the futures of Allianz and ANZ Stadiums have become bogged down by lobbying behind the scenes over which of the city’s two major venues should receive the lion’s share of money.

The powerful SCG Trust have been pushing for priority for Allianz Stadium, a decision that would threaten agreements that have already been struck with the NRL over future content.

The NRL, which supplies the vast majority of content to Sydney stadiums, has outlined their position to the NSW government on a number of occasions in recent weeks and months.

Chief executive Todd Greenberg met personally with Berejiklian while he and his Football Federation Australia counterpart David Gallop wrote a letter to the premier late last month urging the state government to honour their commitment to ANZ Stadium.

That letter made it clear that any prior agreements — the NRL has pledged to play grand finals at ANZ Stadium for 20 years after the redevelopment is complete — would be placed in jeopardy if the NSW government changed its original course.

The letter was also signed by the heads of Canterbury, South Sydney, Parramatta, St George Illawarra and Wests Tigers, as well as the A-League’s Western Sydney Wanderers.

Several of those NRL clubs are also waiting to hear whether they receive their share of the $40 million that the state government put aside for Centres of Excellence.

It is understood NSW sports minister Stuart Ayres delayed an announcement on the distribution of that money because he was trying to raise more funds to ensure all the interested clubs received some money.

It is understood Wests Tigers and Manly were the most in danger of missing out on a share of the $40m.

The most critical issue as far as the NRL is concerned is the timeline and spending on Allianz and ANZ Stadiums. The governing body are desperate to dramatically improve the standard of Sydney stadiums as they look to build crowds for the code. ANZ Stadium is a central part of that plan given the ground hosts Souths and Canterbury as their main tenants, as well as the NRL’s marquee matches such as the grand final and State of Origin.

Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra also use the ground on a part-time basis while Parramatta will move back to their own stadium in 2019.

Ayres will front the media with NSW chairman George Peponis and prospective Blues coach Brad Fittler at Olympic Park tomorrow as they lay the foundation stone for the NSW Rugby League Centre of Excellence.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...be-announced-on-thursday-20171016-gz1wau.html

The fate of Allianz and ANZ stadiums expected to be announced on Thursday
Sydney's drawn-out stadium war is expected to come to a head on Thursday when Sports Minister Stuart Ayres asks cabinet for more than $2 billion to knock down and rebuild both ANZ and Allianz stadiums.

The unresolved issue, though, is which will be done first.

Fairfax Media has been told by several stakeholders from both venues that Mr Ayres' preference is for Allianz Stadium at Moore Park to be levelled in October next year with a new $700 million, 45,000-seat stadium built on the existing site with a view to open it in 2020.

ANZ Stadium would be demolished in 2019 to make way for a new $1.2 billion arena with an opening date in 2021.

Because Allianz would take less time to rebuild, that would mean Sydney's two major rectangular stadiums would be out of play at the same time for just one season.

If so, the NRL grand final could then stay in Sydney, returning to its spiritual home at the SCG for one year before returning to ANZ Stadium.

The $2 billion commitment would be a significant increase on the $1.6 billion pledged by former NSW Premier Mike Baird in April last year.

About $350 million of that money has already been allocated to a new 30,000-seat stadium under construction at Parramatta.

But any bold announcement from the government remains shrouded in uncertainty.

The issue of whether it's ANZ or Allianz is politically sensitive for Ayres, who last year was frozen out of setting stadium policy by Baird.

It is understood Ayres is still garnering support from colleagues before deciding which proposal he will take to cabinet on Thursday. He had no comment when approached on Monday.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has said in the past ANZ Stadium is the preference – something NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg and several clubs have strongly pushed in recent months.

Greenberg has threatened to take the grand final to other cities if the government does not honour the memorandum of understanding from Baird last April to turn ANZ Stadium into a 70,000-seat rectangular arena.

The government would want a guarantee that rugby league's biggest game of the year was not lost to other states if it pledged more than $2 billion in funding. NRL sources confirmed it would do so if both stadiums were rebuilt.

While the NRL has been the most vocal sport about stadium strategy, there is growing bemusement within the government because of its small crowds in the past few seasons.

Last month, Fairfax Media revealed Channel Nine and Fox Sports had lobbied the government about investing more money into suburban grounds because the sea of empty seats at larger stadiums was a bad look on their broadcasts.

There has been widespread speculation for weeks that the stadium imbroglio was about to come to a conclusion after two years of grandstanding, announcements and leaked artists impressions.

There have been arguments made about the stadiums being redeveloped instead of knocked down, a move described by former NRL chief executive Dave Smith as "putting lipstick on a pig".

Allianz has safety and compliance issues, but is also out of date. The criticism of ANZ is that it is poorly configured for sport played on a rectangular field having being built initially for the Sydney Olympics in 2000.

The all-powerful SCG Trust, which includes influential broadcaster Alan Jones, has been pushing for Allianz to be done first because of concerns the 30-year-old stadium could be left out in the cold if there is a change of government.

NSW Opposition leader Luke Foley, who is the member for Auburn, has said before that he would spend no money on Allianz Stadium if he wins government at the next election in March 2019.

Contingency plans have already been worked out if Allianz Stadium is done first.

A-League premiers Sydney FC would play out of Leichhardt Oval with their marquee matches, such as the local derby with Western Sydney Wanderers, to be played at the SCG.

The Waratahs would divide games between the SCG and the new Parramatta Stadium.

The Sydney Roosters would also play at the SCG, on the Central Coast and potentially interstate.

When ANZ Stadium was being rebuilt, the Bulldogs would play at Parramatta and their long-time home of Belmore Oval.

It remains unclear where South Sydney would play, expressing an interest to play at Parramatta as well as taking matches interstate.
 

morley101

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Hopefully now they just get on with it.... Every day from my office window I can see the progress of the Parramatta stadium.
 
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A Grand Final back at the SCG? Good gods no. It is the worst place to watch league at. If this "compromise" stadium deal goes ahead, the NRL would be better off taking the GF interstate for a year than playing at the SCG.
 
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A Grand Final back at the SCG? Good gods no. It is the worst place to watch league at. If this "compromise" stadium deal goes ahead, the NRL would be better off taking the GF interstate for a year than playing at the SCG.

Only compromise appears to be Allianz going first by one year. Not a huge deal. If it gets ANZ rebuilt properly, so be it.

There’s no way the NSW govt agree to rebuild both stadiums at lose the Grand Final.
 

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Only compromise appears to be Allianz going first by one year. Not a huge deal. If it gets ANZ rebuilt properly, so be it.

There’s no way the NSW govt agree to rebuild both stadiums at lose the Grand Final.

In my opinion if the government offers to rebuild both stadiums the NRL will agree to the grand final at the SCG in a heart beat as it is effectively an extra $400m funding for one Grand Final.

What concerns me was we were at this point a few months ago with the premier hinting at increasing funding to rebuild both stadiums and then within a week that changed to not allocating additional funds.
 
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Only compromise appears to be Allianz going first by one year. Not a huge deal. If it gets ANZ rebuilt properly, so be it.

There’s no way the NSW govt agree to rebuild both stadiums at lose the Grand Final.

Whilst ANZ Stadium is unavailable it would make more sense to take the Grand Final interstate than play it at the SCG. Firstly, the other State Governments will offer more money than just the gate receipts, if it is taken inter-state. If it is at the SCG, it will quite probably get less gate receipts than if held in say Victoria or Qld as the tickets available will be smaller.

The agreement to keep the Grand Final in Sydney is dependent on the rebuild of ANZ happening. Holding it at the SCG whilst the re-build occurs is not part of the agreement. It would show the NSW Government the NRL mean business, as well as giving the NRL an opportunity to see if a non-Sydney held Grand Final will do well commercially or not.
 
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Whilst ANZ Stadium is unavailable it would make more sense to take the Grand Final interstate than play it at the SCG. Firstly, the other State Governments will offer more money than just the gate receipts, if it is taken inter-state. If it is at the SCG, it will quite probably get less gate receipts than if held in say Victoria or Qld as the tickets available will be smaller.

The agreement to keep the Grand Final in Sydney is dependent on the rebuild of ANZ happening. Holding it at the SCG whilst the re-build occurs is not part of the agreement. It would show the NSW Government the NRL mean business, as well as giving the NRL an opportunity to see if a non-Sydney held Grand Final will do well commercially or not.

Holding it at Suncorp would be preferable, but why would the NSW govt allow it if they’re going to rebuild ANZ? The proposal outlined in that SMH article would fulfill the NSW govt agreement with the NRL.
 

Raiderdave

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They're both going to take 2 years to complete according to that article

So just put ANZ first & be done with it
ANZ opens in 2020
Allianz in 2021
 

beave

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This may go against most peoples opinion in here, but does Allianz really need to be knocked down and re-built?? By all means spend some coin on it and tweak it but to me its a massive waste to knock it down and re-build it to a capacity that is 10k less than its current config.
 

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