The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[T-Boon]

Pvl could do something out of the box and offer the nrl grand final to Brisbane if they do a full rebuild at 80k

Sydney still hasn’t tied up the grand final rights and the tourism benefits would be huge

Minor upgrade to Suncorp isn’t enough long term

The ground is amazing but the capacity is way too small now for big games and events

I think the upgrade is so Suncorp capacity is close to Victoria park but it will still be way behind the new stadiums facilities

Yep they should offer up every second or third GF if they make their Olympic stadium a rectangular stadium after the Olympics. Then leave Suncorp the size it is.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Pvl could do something out of the box and offer the nrl grand final to Brisbane if they do a full rebuild at 80k

Sydney still hasn’t tied up the grand final rights and the tourism benefits would be huge

Minor upgrade to Suncorp isn’t enough long term

The ground is amazing but the capacity is way too small now for big games and events

I think the upgrade is so Suncorp capacity is close to Victoria park but it will still be way behind the new stadiums facilities

so who pays for a fully redeveloped suncorp while theres cash already invested into new olympic stadium and all supporting games infrastructure etc.

and how long would it realistically take suncorp fully redeveloped for it to make that money back? im guessing by what posters have said it being on main roads and highway makes it very hard to knock down etc.

Yep they should offer up every second or third GF if they make their Olympic stadium a rectangular stadium after the Olympics. Then leave Suncorp the size it is.

as for olympic stadium rectangle for plays on that if suncorp remains? what happens to sports like cricket when gabba is already a piss bucket?

 

[Wb1234]

so who pays for a fully redeveloped suncorp while theres cash already invested into new olympic stadium and all supporting games infrastructure etc.

and how long would it realistically take suncorp fully redeveloped for it to make that money back? im guessing by what posters have said it being on main roads and highway makes it very hard to knock down etc.

Grand final would be worth 100 million a year in tourism

That’s on top of rent ground signage members etc

And in all likelihood the current site is too small

I’m not wedded to the idea of the nrl grand final being in Sydney

Throw in origins and magic and the roi would be decent

Funding would have to be state govt but it’s an important asset for the state

Brisbane comes alive for the most magical weekend in league

Brisbane has officially kicked off the most exciting weekend on the rugby league calendar, the NRL Magic Round.

www.sport.qld.gov.au

This report has magic currently generating 50 million pa in tourism

Could keep Suncorp in place to host games until a new stadium is built

Lure of getting the nrl grand final for 25 years could do it imo

 

[taipan]

Good news, is that the Vic Government is far too broke to even consider this.

When it comes to mismanaging money, the Vic govt are Olympic class.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Grand final would be worth 100 million a year in tourism

That’s on top of rent ground signage members etc

And in all likelihood the current site is too small

I’m not wedded to the idea of the nrl grand final being in Sydney

Throw in origins and magic and the roi would be decent

Funding would have to be state govt but it’s an important asset for the state

Brisbane comes alive for the most magical weekend in league

Brisbane has officially kicked off the most exciting weekend on the rugby league calendar, the NRL Magic Round.

www.sport.qld.gov.au

This report has magic currently generating 50 million pa in tourism

Could keep Suncorp in place to host games until a new stadium is built

Lure of getting the nrl grand final for 25 years could do it imo

thats ultimately the issue. due to the rigamarole of getting the olympic stadium up, why would any state gov in qld back another new stadium, rebuild or otherwise. especially so close to the olympic build.

hard for any politician to justify, it would just end up being career suicide. public would turn. easy for us league fans to want it, plenty other peeps in the state probably want better roads schools hospitals etc etc before a second new stadium

 

[Wb1234]

thats ultimately the issue. due to the rigamarole of getting the olympic stadium up, why would any state gov in qld back another new stadium, rebuild or otherwise. especially so close to the olympic build.

hard for any politician to justify, it would just end up being career suicide. public would turn. easy for us league fans to want it, plenty other peeps in the state probably want better roads schools hospitals etc etc before a second new stadium

If they win on Sunday just get Adam Reynolds on the podium talking about like jt in 2015 which imo helped get the cowboys a new stadium

Politicians love a winner

Suncorp has to get redone in the next 20 years anyway it’s just a matter of when

Taking politics out of it 5 billion for a one off spend is tiny when the annual spend is around 100 billion pa

I could see this govt being turfed anyway over the Victoria Park proposal

 

[Canard]

The actual Olympic Stadium costs won’t blow out that much.

Do you really want to stick by this statement/claim?

From my understanding Mains Roads QLD will pick up some of the tab of these infrastructure costs.

Do you feel the costs will be better hand waved away if they sit in a different taxpayer bucket?

 

[Canard]

If the Broncos win Sunday I wouldn’t be surprised if they sold out all 12 home games next year, that would be a great way to put more pressure on the government.

I find that very hard to believe. Surely you would want a few years of sellouts, at least, to justify it.

Pvl could do something out of the box and offer the nrl grand final to Brisbane if they do a full rebuild at 80k

One Grand Final isn't going to make much dent to a $3 to $4B build.

The Olympics have f**ked RL in Brisbane unfortunately.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Do you really want to stick by this statement/claim?


Do you feel the costs will be better hand waved away if they sit in a different taxpayer bucket?

Happy to stick to the statement. The stadium itself will undoubtedly spill over, but it won’t be double/triple like you think.

On face value the project isn’t anywhere near as complicated as the Cross River Rail, which did spill out and undoubtedly caused reservations amongst people. I mention Cross River Rail because it’s the other on-going big state project. But there’s also context to everything. That project had incompetent people from both the government and CPB in its initial ECI stage. Industrial relations were also mis-managed with a high level of ineptness from all involved. It got off to a terrible start and has never recovered.

Back to the Stadium: Infrastructure costs will be better hand waved as a big portion is already captured in the QTRIP budget. Which is approx $40B.

Just unsure how much of that $40b will end up being actual costs towards the infrastructure around the stadium. If I had to take a stab in the dark, I’d estimate $1.5-$2.5b.

 

[NWQRabbit]

Happy to stick to the statement. The stadium itself will undoubtedly spill over, but it won’t be double/triple like you think.

On face value the project isn’t anywhere near as complicated as the Cross River Rail, which did spill out and undoubtedly caused reservations amongst people. I mention Cross River Rail because it’s the other on-going big state project. But there’s also context to everything. That project had incompetent people from both the government and CPB in its initial ECI stage. Industrial relations were also mis-managed with a high level of ineptness from all involved. It got off to a terrible start and has never recovered.

Back to the Stadium: Infrastructure costs will be better hand waved as a big portion is already captured in the QTRIP budget. Which is approx $40B.

Just unsure how much of that $40b will end up being actual costs towards the infrastructure around the stadium. If I had to take a stab in the dark, I’d estimate $1.5-$2.5b.

The stadium cost itself is already triple what it should be! The most expensive stadium ever built at $4B before a shovel has even been turned.
It should be impossible for costs to double or triple to $12B but even a realistic 25% increase is another billion dollars.

And what do us qlders get for it? A massive oval stadium that takes out green space permanently for 2 weeks of olympics no one wanted, a huge free leg up for the afl getting a stadium bigger than the states most popular sports facilty, ransacking any government money that could be put towards suncorp, a complete and utter robbery against the interests of the citizens.

Perth stadium was built for a total of $1.6B and that included big site reclamation (it was a swampy former rubbish tip), train station, pedestrian bridge and other precinct costs like building a pub and sporting/play facilities outside the stadium.
And Perth was not a cheap place to build at that time, even compared to post covid.

 

[Dogs Of War]

The stadium cost itself is already triple what it should be! The most expensive stadium ever built at $4B before a shovel has even been turned.
It should be impossible for costs to double or triple to $12B but even a realistic 25% increase is another billion dollars.

And what do us qlders get for it? A massive oval stadium that takes out green space permanently for 2 weeks of olympics no one wanted, a huge free leg up for the afl getting a stadium bigger than the states most popular sports facilty, ransacking any government money that could be put towards suncorp, a complete and utter robbery against the interests of the citi.

Perth stadium was built for a total of $1.6B and that included big site reclamation (it was a swampy former rubbish tip), train station, pedestrian bridge and other precinct costs like building a pub and sporting/play facilities outside the

I think the AFL got him mid comment...

They are sneaky like that.

 

[NWQRabbit]

I think the AFL got him mid comment...

They are sneaky like that.

Haha, just lazy fingers on tablet screen touced the post button before I could finish my rant.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

The stadium cost itself is already triple what it should be! The most expensive stadium ever built at $4B before a shovel has even been turned.
It should be impossible for costs to double or triple to $12B but even a realistic 25% increase is another billion dollars.

And what do us qlders get for it? A massive oval stadium that takes out green space permanently for 2 weeks of olympics no one wanted, a huge free leg up for the afl getting a stadium bigger than the states most popular sports facilty, ransacking any government money that could be put towards suncorp, a complete and utter robbery against the interests of the citizens.

Perth stadium was built for a total of $1.6B and that included big site reclamation (it was a swampy former rubbish tip), train station, pedestrian bridge and other precinct costs like building a pub and sporting/play facilities outside the stadium.
And Perth was not a cheap place to build at that time, even compared to post covid.

Optus Oval was closer to $1.8b when all was said and done (this includes infrastructure costs).

It was a project estimated/tendered for pre-2014 and built between 2014-2017.

Construction industry costs are a completely different animal now. It costs more to build in QLD. There’s also heavier unionisation in QLD. Both are factors.

Olympic stadium will get its use via 2 immediate tenants. One in winter, one in summer. Then all the exhibitions and concerts held at the ground there on after.

Suncorp has major upgrade construction issues.
Upgrading that Lang Park footprint between 2001-2003 is a galaxy away from upgrading the same footprint in 2027/8/9 and beyond. It can be done but it’ll be extremely costly and cause immense commuter disruptions along ICB & Milton Road (which will also affect Western Freeway some 7kms away as it serves as the main connection entry towards inner city).

In a nutshell, what makes Suncorp great location wise is also its main problem from constructibility and budgeting points. The other factor is the time line. Suncorp would have been better served looking for an upgrade pre-Olympics bid. In that sweet zone between Magic round kicking off and QLD state gov bidding for the Olympics. But hey Covid.

Ultimately, Suncorp will get its upgrades. Upgrades that were factored in when it was originally designed and built all those years ago. They should’ve happened mid 10’s. Maybe after 2015 and in a parallel universe where Broncos won that GF maybe they get it. Maybe if Brisbane 2/Dolphins/Firehawks/Jets/Bombers got its expansion anpproved earlier. What if.

The fact it’s getting any upgrade at all in the current climate is a win, even if people cannot see it. There’s been a shit load of lobbying to get this far.

 

[Wb1234]

Optus Oval was closer to $1.8b when all was said and done (this includes infrastructure costs).

It was a project estimated/tendered for pre-2014 and built between 2014-2017.

Construction industry costs are a completely different animal now. It costs more to build in QLD. There’s also heavier unionisation in QLD. Both are factors.

Olympic stadium will get its use via 2 immediate tenants. One in winter, one in summer. Then all the exhibitions and concerts held at the ground there on after.

Suncorp has major upgrade construction issues.
Upgrading that Lang Park footprint between 2001-2003 is a galaxy away from upgrading the same footprint in 2027/8/9 and beyond. It can be done but it’ll be extremely costly and cause immense commuter disruptions along ICB & Milton Road (which will also affect Western Freeway some 7kms away as it serves as the main connection entry towards inner city).

In a nutshell, what makes Suncorp great location wise is also its main problem from constructibility and budgeting points. The other factor is the time line. Suncorp would have been better served looking for an upgrade pre-Olympics bid. In that sweet zone between Magic round kicking off and QLD state gov bidding for the Olympics. But hey Covid.

Ultimately, Suncorp will get its upgrades. Upgrades that were factored in when it was originally designed and built all those years ago. They should’ve happened mid 10’s. Maybe after 2015 and in a parallel universe where Broncos won that GF maybe they get it. Maybe if Brisbane 2/Dolphins/Firehawks/Jets/Bombers got its expansion anpproved earlier. What if.

The fact it’s getting any upgrade at all in the current climate is a win, even if people cannot see it. There’s been a shit load of lobbying to get this far.

Last state govt was committed to spending one billion on Suncorp and using it as a big games venue

This premier got in on a tiny margin and pretends he likes rugby league

Rugby league shouldn’t need to beg for scraps in Queensland

They had 250k people wanting tickets yesterday

Post games Victoria park will be a white elephant for all its days

Suncorp has four tenants and way more events.

 

[westerntiger]

Post games Victoria park will be a white elephant for all its days

haven't been following this at all. will the olympics stadium be for AFL? Absolutely shocking if so.

 

[Desert Qlder]

That’s exactly what it is. A greenfield.

Whatever description you have inside your melon is irrelevant.

No, it's being treated as if it were a greenfield site, by a premier and government that blatantly lied on the matter during the election campaign.

Yes, they now hold the reins of power and what we think doesn't matter. Either like it or lump it. Others are happy about the outcome, LNP donors and consultancies notably. The athletes village will be a real estate bonanza.

But 'greenfield' implies no value apart from space. That's not the case, nor does the government's deception doesn't make it so.

From an infrastructure standpoint, this situation will leave the city with an wholly unbalanced legacy, amply shown by yesterday's spectacular demonstration of demand for Rugby League.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Last state govt was committed to spending one billion on Suncorp and using it as a big games venue

This premier got in on a tiny margin and pretends he likes rugby league

Rugby league shouldn’t need to beg for scraps in Queensland

They had 250k people wanting tickets yesterday

Post games Victoria park will be a white elephant for all its days

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say or if you’re trying to debate me on this tbh. Either way it’s redundant.

The last government didn’t have a plan of what it wanted to do with its stadia and kept throwing up ideas in hope one would stick. Ultimately none did.

This premier or last premier, that is all irrelevant. One party couldn’t control a major infrastructure project. Which is still on going and blown out exponentially. This party will have major legacy issues completing the promised projects committed by the previous party. It’s all the same crap therefore which colour they don is irrelevant.

Gabba isn’t a white elephant. This new stadium won’t be either. Not sure what you’re insinuating there.

Rugby League isn’t begging for scraps, it’s the only reason Suncorp is getting what’s it’s getting with the parameters it can get them in. It’s Rugby and Soccer which have left the overall rectangular sports field codes down here.

 

[Wb1234]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say or if you’re trying to debate me on this tbh. Either way it’s redundant.

The last government didn’t have a plan of what it wanted to do with its stadia and kept throwing up ideas in hope one would stick. Ultimately none did.

This premier or last premier, that is all irrelevant. One party couldn’t control a major infrastructure project. Which is still on going and blown out exponentially. This party will have major legacy issues completing the promised projects committed by the previous party. It’s all the same crap therefore which colour they don is irrelevant.

Gabba isn’t a white elephant. This new stadium won’t be either. Not sure what you’re insinuating there.

Rugby League isn’t begging for scraps, it’s the only reason Suncorp is getting what’s it’s getting with the parameters it can get them in. It’s Rugby and Soccer which have left the overall rectangular sports field codes down here.

Stadium that’s half full all year at best with one tenant in summer and one tenant in winter when Suncorp has 2 nrl clubs, reds and roar

Plus origins magic and finals

And yeh the last govt was going to have the opening and closing ceremonies at Suncorp

You would guess the one billion would’ve been a total rebuild of one stand

Few hundred million is better than nothing but it’s a fob by the premier to show he’s done something for league

 

[Wb1234]

haven't been following this at all. will the olympics stadium be for AFL? Absolutely shocking if so.

63k. 3 to 5 billion cost to build

Afl and cricket lol

Both those sports will be packing them in

 

[Red&BlackBear]

No, it's being treated as if it were a greenfield site, by a premier and government that blatantly lied on the matter during the election campaign.

Yes, they now hold the reins of power and what we think doesn't matter. Either like it or lump it. Others are happy about the outcome, LNP donors and consultancies notably. The athletes village will be a real estate bonanza.

But 'greenfield' implies no value apart from space. That's not the case, nor does the government's deception doesn't make it so.

From an infrastructure standpoint, this situation will leave the city with a wholly unbalanced legacy, amply shown by yesterday's spectacular demonstration of demand for Rugby League.

No, it is a green field site. By all definition.

You’re acting like LNP are the ones who chose to bid to host the Olympics? It was ALP. The Victoria Park proposal, amongst other proposals, was forwarded by ALP. Don’t let history slip you by. So they changed their mind about where they were building the stadium along the way. Who gives a flying ****. Gabba has its own issues, times passed on that. QSAC would be a nightmare, Hamilton is laughable, Kingsford Smith is horrible at the best of times.

How will the city’s infrastructure be unbalanced? Victoria Park sits with the borders of Brisbane biggest hospital in RBH and a university in QUT.

The north end Clem-7 exit will be the major entry point.

Clem-7 is the junction where Pacific Motorway, Gateway Motorway, ICB, Legacy Way, Western Freeway, Ipswich Motorway, Centenary Highway, Airport Way all end up converging via their multiple respective connections along the way.

There’s reason why it was chosen there. For every argument posed, there is a counter argument available.

I’d love for Suncorp to have had its billion dollar upgrades but no one acted on it when it should’ve been acted on. Then politics got love bitten by Olympics. Now we are here.