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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

M2D2

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Whether it's a good deal or not is certainly debatable, but there is not going to be a government change in NSW. Labor's track record and reputation is completely f**ked.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*points to this and westcon*
Sure. Labor is the one in dire straits.
 

M2D2

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I'm a lifelong labor voter but NSW labor was incredibly corrupt and still have ministers in jail from their last term in office.
No doubt.
But when you can see the modern corruption with two big elephants.
I doubt very much they will go back and remember 2000's shitty labor.
They will vote on recent events.
 

siv

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They are against it because it is not yet 30 years old, and the problems it has could be fixed while spending far less public money. The same applies to Stadium Australia (not yet 20 years old) and Parramatta (too late now but it was also only 30 years old). While at the same time schools and hospitals are far more dilapidated.

I doubt too many object to money being spent on sport, any more than opera or art, but most would prefer it went to the grassroots, rather than the top end which already has a turnover in the billions, and which probably should be contributing to the cost of its venues out of that turnover.



If the Sydney Football Stadium, opened in 1988, is a terrorism risk, what then is Town Hall station, opened in 1932? And which one needs addressing more urgently?

Ah 1932 - there is a bridge that might need a change let alone a train station
 

TheFrog

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The bridge is fine. The station was a bit of an afterthought although I suppose its designers would be happy to see it still kind of coping 86 years later. Of course they were part of the same project. You should go down into Town Hell a week before Christmas at 4pm, its an eye opener. Well it was when I worked there 16 years ago, and its only got worse.
 

unforgiven

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No doubt.
But when you can see the modern corruption with two big elephants.
I doubt very much they will go back and remember 2000's shitty labor.
They will vote on recent events.

It was raised in the recent Federal by election so yes it will be an issue, State Liberals have some issues to deal with but I believe they will win the election based on the fact that their really hasn't been enough time for Labor to get out of the headlines for the corruption issues. O'beid was only convicted 12 months ago and was still in the news until around July 2017 with his appeal. The next election after this is where I believe Liberal will be punished for their failings.
 

Perth Red

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If the SFS is a fire hazard and not meeting safety standards then why is it remaining operational at present?

There's a big difference between a building being unsafe, and one that no longer conforms to new regulations. Regulations get updated all the time but there is usually no expectation that buildings have to conform immediately, usually until their occupancy license is renewed or the building undergoes major refurbishment.
 

Teddyboy

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Bad timing for Sydney regarding stadiums as why was Concord built but hardly ever used after the Rugby Union World cup in 1987 and then the Wallabies jump ship to another new stadium the Sydney Football Stadium and by 1993 Sydney is awarded the 2000 Olympics so another new bigger stadium is needed.
 

big hit!

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Bad timing for Sydney regarding stadiums as why was Concord built but hardly ever used after the Rugby Union World cup in 1987 and then the Wallabies jump ship to another new stadium the Sydney Football Stadium and by 1993 Sydney is awarded the 2000 Olympics so another new bigger stadium is needed.

Apart from perhaps Bradfield's Harbour Bridge, many of the metropolitan's infrastructure projects were designed and thought-through half-arsed, just so they could be built quickly and the government of the day could go to the next election looking like they'd done something.
 

TheRam

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It is a part of government, just the lowest tier in our system. In Australia we have 3 tiers of government, Federal, State and local.

No we don't. We have two tiers of Gov and local councils, which is the peoples way of direct negotiation and collaboration between us(our representatives) and big State and Fed Governments. Or at least that is the way it was meant to work when first setup, besides your rubbish pickups. Local councils may pretend to be Gov but never have been and never should be, otherwise we could quickly end up with tyranny.
 

unforgiven

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No we don't. We have two tiers of Gov and local councils, which is the peoples way of direct negotiation and collaboration between us(our representatives) and big State and Fed Governments. Or at least that is the way it was meant to work when first setup, besides your rubbish pickups. Local councils may pretend to be Gov but never have been and never should be, otherwise we could quickly end up with tyranny.

Representatives are elected to federal and state/territory parliaments and local councils, so that all Australians have someone to represent them at each level of government. Parliaments and councils make laws; governments put these laws into action.

Some of the responsibilities of federal, state/territory and local governments overlap, but generally each level of government provides different services to Australians:

  • The federal government has broad national powers. Among other things, it administers (puts into action) laws in relation to defence, immigration, foreign affairs, trade, postal services and taxation.
  • State/territory governments have the power to look after laws not covered by the federal government; for instance, hospitals, schools, police and housing services.
  • The powers of local councils are defined by Acts of Parliament passed by state parliaments and include responsibility for building regulations, rubbish collection, local roads and pet control.
All levels of government raise money, through collecting taxes, to pay for services provided to Australians. State/territory and local governments also receive some money from the federal government, and states fund local councils.


FEDERAL
STATE/TERRITORY LOCAL
The federal government raises money to run the country by collecting taxes on incomes, goods and services and company profits and spends it on national matters: for example, trade, defence, immigration and the environment. State/territory governments also raise money from taxes but receive more than half their money from the federal government and spend it on state/territory matters: for example, schools, housing and hospitals, roads and railways, police and ambulance services. Local councils collect taxes (rates) from all local property owners and receive grants from federal and state/territory governments and spend this on local matters: for example, town planning, rubbish collection, water and sewerage, local roads and pet control.

https://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/three-levels-of-law-making.html

Local government
The six states and the Northern Territory have established one further level of government. Local governments (also known as local councils) handle community needs like waste collection, public recreation facilities and town planning.

The states and the Northern Territory each have many local governments within their borders. The state or territory government defines the powers of the local governments, and decides what geographical areas those governments are responsible for.

The naming conventions for local governments vary across Australia. They can be called cities, shires, towns, or municipalities, but they are still controlled by the state or territory government above them.

In the Australian Capital Territory, the responsibilities usually handled by local government are administered by a department of the territory government.

https://www.australia.gov.au/about-government/how-government-works/local-government

I will cede that local governments do not have recognition in the constitution but they are levels of government created by the states
 
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TheRam

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Yes I am aware of the obfuscation or out right trickery that Government has been practicing in over the years in much of its literature.

But it still hasn't changed the fact that local council is NOT Government. Think about it on just common sense grounds. Local councils do not have a lower house or an upper house right?

They don't have bills and then vote on them in the lower house and if successful pass them on up to the upper house for a second group of people to also vote on the merits of those bills and then if successful they can be passed on into law. You know, like all good democracies are supposed to work, slow and open debate, so hopefully we get it right more often then wrong.

No, council can just literally draft on the spot a new arbitrary (LAW) and then vote on it without it ever going through lengthy debate and scrutiny by anyone. Which they do routinely, because most merkins are either to busy, couldn't be bothered or just to lazy to get off their collective arses to watch what these filthy f**kers are up to on a regular basis.

This is why Government would love to have council usurped into an official Government body. It could then bypass all due process and do many things that it would never get away with under the current democratic system.

Check this out. It is an oldie but a goodie.
 

siv

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Well your local government leader who controls the SFS land has asked people to join the no stadium upgrade petition
 
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Yes I am aware of the obfuscation or out right trickery that Government has been practicing in over the years in much of its literature.

But it still hasn't changed the fact that local council is NOT Government. Think about it on just common sense grounds. Local councils do not have a lower house or an upper house right?

They don't have bills and then vote on them in the lower house and if successful pass them on up to the upper house for a second group of people to also vote on the merits of those bills and then if successful they can be passed on into law. You know, like all good democracies are supposed to work, slow and open debate, so hopefully we get it right more often then wrong.

No, council can just literally draft on the spot a new arbitrary (LAW) and then vote on it without it ever going through lengthy debate and scrutiny by anyone. Which they do routinely, because most merkins are either to busy, couldn't be bothered or just to lazy to get off their collective arses to watch what these filthy f**kers are up to on a regular basis.

This is why Government would love to have council usurped into an official Government body. It could then bypass all due process and do many things that it would never get away with under the current democratic system.

Check this out. It is an oldie but a goodie.

Mate, as someone who has a dgeree which majored in political science, and a public servant who's worked in that sphere for 20+ years, I can assure you local councils are a sphere of government. It is why it is often referred to as "local government".

Further, not all levels of government have bi-cameral legislatures. For example, Queensland is a unicameral Parliament as they abolished its Legislative Council in 1922. The ACT and Northern Territories also only have unicameral legislatures.

Here are a few other places which do not have bi-cameral legislatures - Croatia, Denmark, East Timor, Egypt, Fiji, Finland, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Samoa, Singapore, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine.

On a final note, local government in Australia is regulated by the States, nearly every states has legislation which regulates how local councils operate (in NSW it is the Local Government Act 1993).

Also don't confuse the legislative process with government, as they are not necessarily the same thing, and there is more to government than just the legislative process.
 
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