The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Walter sobchak]

Cool. Hopefully the extension will be needed early on.

Nice looking stadium. Just realized that it’s designed to look like a horseshoe which is pretty cool.

 

[The Great Dane]

The nfl probably have more than 15 stadiums with a capacity of 75,000 plus. Also, the nfl is a national sport unlike league, so basically only Melbourne and Brisbane would be worth bidding, and Brisbane only have a53,000 odd capacity. The AFL must be laughing.

As Herbert basically said it's not about ticket sales it's about how much you can get from the various governments for the hosting rights, that's where the real money is.

Also as Herbert said there are more than just Brisbane and Melbourne who would be interested in the rights and have the facilities to host it, though he did forget Adelaide who in theory at least could host it, and the possibility of other nations taking in interest in trying for the rights to draw tourism and get some publicity in Australia and NZ for their nations. But aside from that, the mere fact that the GF is up for grabs will incentivise governments that are looking to upgrade their stadium facilities to build stadiums that meet the minimum standards necessary to host the GF so that they can have a shot at a bid for it, as has happened in America with the Super Bowl (and here in Australia with the BBL on a much smaller scale), or alternatively governments may look to agree to upgrade/build stadiums to NRL's specification if they are granted the GF hosting right as part of the deal.

Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting that the NRL could replicate what the NFL has done with the Super Bowl (or what the Olympics, FIFA WC, etc, have done either) and get results of a similar scale, but they could definitely achieve a microcosm of those results that are proportional to the size of the Australian/Trans-Tasman market, which would be huge for the NRL.

 

[Canard]

The "Pom" just replied to his own post, proving that he is an alt once and for all.

 

[Canard]

25k with the potential to go to 30k.

Any expansion costs would be exorbitant however, and unlikely in the next 2 decades.

Temp seating might increase capacity for some games, however.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-firm-on-stadiums-policy-20181202-p50jpa.html

'I will not be bullied': Daley holds firm on stadiums policy

Alexandra Smith3 December 2018 — 12:00am

NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley says he will "not be bullied" by the NRL as new polling shows almost 60 per cent of voters are against the government building a new Sydney stadium.

Mr Daley has fired back at the NRL after its chief Todd Greenberg said he would look at moving the NRL grand final interstate if the stadiums agreement with the state government is torn up.

Exclusive Ucomms/Reachtel polling for the Herald reveals that more than 58 per cent of voters oppose or strongly oppose the state government's stadium policy, including knocking down Allianz.

About 36 per cent of people polled said they strongly supported or supported the government building new stadiums in Sydney, and 4 per cent were undecided.

The new Labor leader says the state election would be a referendum on stadiums and issued an ultimatum that if Allianz Stadium at Moore Park was demolished before March, he would not rebuild it if elected.

Mr Daley yesterday doubled down on his position that a Labor government would not pay for the new $700 million stadium and said he would not be "bullied or intimidated by the NRL".

"If Todd Greenberg and his mates decide to take the Grand Final out of Sydney then it is on him," Mr Daley told the Herald yesterday.

"They are going to have to explain to their loyal NSW fans why they are taking the game out of the state."

Mr Daley said his refusal to spend taxpayers' money on a new stadium was about "standing up for ordinary citizens" and he would "not kowtow" to the NRL.

"The NRL are saying that if they don't get a new stadium at Moore Park then they will take the Grand Final away but they don't even play it at Moore Park. How on earth do they think people are going to fall for such a stupid argument," he said.

The NRL has a memorandum of understanding with the state government, which requires a new stadium at Moore Park and a major upgrade at Olympic Park.

In return, the NRL has agreed to play the grand final and a State of Origin match in Sydney for the next 25 years.

The poll shows the highest level of opposition to the stadiums policy came from National Party voters but a senior Nationals source said the debate was very Sydney-centric.

"The stadia issue isn't really impacting regional NSW," the source said.

"Whilst the city has been debating the issue, we've spent almost a $1 billion on local stadia and upgrading sporting facilities in the bush."

Responding to the poll results, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres said Western Sydney Stadium was "proof our strategy is strong and working".

"Labor's plan to cut $630 Million from Nepean Hospital and leave a great big hole in the ground at Moore Park just shows they can't build hospitals or stadiums," Mr Ayres said.

"Under Labor there would be no Western Sydney Stadium, no Nepean Hospital redevelopment, no F6, no Metro to Bankstown. Labor has learned nothing, cutting infrastructure rather than building it just hurts the future generations."

The poll of 1557 voters conducted on Thursday night also showed that Labor is leading the Coalition 51 to 49 on a two-party preferred basis, with Mr Daley ahead as preferred premier.

 

[beave]

Any expansion costs would be exorbitant however, and unlikely in the next 2 decades.

Temp seating might increase capacity for some games, however.

The original plan was for the new entertainment centre to be built on that nothern end like WIN stadium in Wollongong. Money is obviously not going to allow that at the moment but there might be scope in the future. The open end will at least allow some breeze in though. Early season games if there’s no rain, can be f**king hot.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

The capacity of Brisbane doesn’t really matter, the Queensland govt would cover the ticket shortfall.

Not sure why we’d care about the AFL laughing?

I’d say there’s legitimately 4 cities other than Sydney that could bid in the near future

Melbourne
Brisbane
Perth
Auckland

You could definitely add the 55k Adelaide stadium to that list.

More than enough really. 5 governments competing to host this event, if they just leave it to a rotation they will only get 2 GFs per decade.

The ones who really want it will genuinely need to compete with a decent bid...

 

[herbert henry1908]

You could definitely add the 55k Adelaide stadium to that list.

More than enough really. 5 governments competing to host this event, if they just leave it to a rotation they will only get 2 GFs per decade.

The ones who really want it will genuinely need to compete with a decent bid...

I was mostly thinking cities that had or will have an NRL team. Adelaide would be interesting, though.


If they put this money directly into a future fund for stadium infrastructure it could be a really interesting exercise.

Be interesting to know how much the grand final & one state of origin match would be worth per year?

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...-firm-on-stadiums-policy-20181202-p50jpa.html

'I will not be bullied': Daley holds firm on stadiums policy

Alexandra Smith3 December 2018 — 12:00am

NSW Opposition Leader Michael Daley says he will "not be bullied" by the NRL as new polling shows almost 60 per cent of voters are against the government building a new Sydney stadium.

Mr Daley has fired back at the NRL after its chief Todd Greenberg said he would look at moving the NRL grand final interstate if the stadiums agreement with the state government is torn up.

Exclusive Ucomms/Reachtel polling for the Herald reveals that more than 58 per cent of voters oppose or strongly oppose the state government's stadium policy, including knocking down Allianz.

About 36 per cent of people polled said they strongly supported or supported the government building new stadiums in Sydney, and 4 per cent were undecided.

The new Labor leader says the state election would be a referendum on stadiums and issued an ultimatum that if Allianz Stadium at Moore Park was demolished before March, he would not rebuild it if elected.

Mr Daley yesterday doubled down on his position that a Labor government would not pay for the new $700 million stadium and said he would not be "bullied or intimidated by the NRL".

"If Todd Greenberg and his mates decide to take the Grand Final out of Sydney then it is on him," Mr Daley told the Herald yesterday.

"They are going to have to explain to their loyal NSW fans why they are taking the game out of the state."

Mr Daley said his refusal to spend taxpayers' money on a new stadium was about "standing up for ordinary citizens" and he would "not kowtow" to the NRL.

"The NRL are saying that if they don't get a new stadium at Moore Park then they will take the Grand Final away but they don't even play it at Moore Park. How on earth do they think people are going to fall for such a stupid argument," he said.

The NRL has a memorandum of understanding with the state government, which requires a new stadium at Moore Park and a major upgrade at Olympic Park.

In return, the NRL has agreed to play the grand final and a State of Origin match in Sydney for the next 25 years.

The poll shows the highest level of opposition to the stadiums policy came from National Party voters but a senior Nationals source said the debate was very Sydney-centric.

"The stadia issue isn't really impacting regional NSW," the source said.

"Whilst the city has been debating the issue, we've spent almost a $1 billion on local stadia and upgrading sporting facilities in the bush."

Responding to the poll results, Sports Minister Stuart Ayres said Western Sydney Stadium was "proof our strategy is strong and working".

"Labor's plan to cut $630 Million from Nepean Hospital and leave a great big hole in the ground at Moore Park just shows they can't build hospitals or stadiums," Mr Ayres said.

"Under Labor there would be no Western Sydney Stadium, no Nepean Hospital redevelopment, no F6, no Metro to Bankstown. Labor has learned nothing, cutting infrastructure rather than building it just hurts the future generations."

The poll of 1557 voters conducted on Thursday night also showed that Labor is leading the Coalition 51 to 49 on a two-party preferred basis, with Mr Daley ahead as preferred premier.

I remember when Campbell Newman used this same tactic to try to get an Origin game for free...

All the NRL needs to do is make sure they dont get caught up in the emotion and just keep stating the facts, “the NSW gov broke their contract, no hard feelings. Other states offered better deals.”

 

[franklin2323]

I remember when Campbell Newman used this same tactic to try to get an Origin game for free...

All the NRL needs to do is make sure they dont get caught up in the emotion and just keep stating the facts, “the NSW gov broke their contract, no hard feelings. Other states offered better deals.”

The NRL need to get others onboard. There is other promoters from concerts etc that would want the best. A watered down version of Allianz is best going forward

 

[beave]

I would hate to see the GF played anywhere but in its spiritual home city.

But if the gov changes and they f**k on the game, then take the merkin elsewhere. I have no doubt Suncorp would sell out, ticket prices will be a bit higher like what we have to cop for origin but so be it, I will save money on flights and accomodation. The game will also make money from the cities bids.

You might even see some enthusiasm from the local council in regards to banners, pre match activities, all that shit. I’ve been to the last 3/4 GF’s and you wouldn’t have known there was a game on for the ‘16 and ‘17 GF’s other than when getting the train from
central and arriving at the stadium.

 

[beave]

The NRL need to get others onboard. There is other promoters from concerts etc that would want the best. A watered down version of Allianz is best going forward

Agreed on a down tweaked Allianz. Surely a slightly bigger WSS (35-38k) without all the bells and whistles would be a better alternate.

But ANZ is a bucket heap and needs to be bulldozed and re-built properly.

 

[franklin2323]

Agreed on a down tweaked Allianz. Surely a slightly bigger WSS (35-38k) without all the bells and whistles would be a better alternate.

But ANZ is a bucket heap and needs to be bulldozed and re-built properly.

When you look over the 30 odd years of stadium life it is small change most people get that. Pollies are slower and need time to see that so that can be done later with all the stakeholders. Concert promoters, Sporting bodies all get in a room with Labor and share the benefits. A longer process but atleast 2 stadiums are done in the meantime

 

[TheFrog]

It would be an interesting world if no Govt decisions were made until the tax payer agreed lol

When there's an election in three months and they are planning to raze the place in the meantime, and the opposition opposes the rebuild, it would seem like the sensible option to wait, wouldn't you think? The trouble it, Berejiklian has been complacent up until now, thinking she cannot lose. All of a sudden, there is every chance she might.

 

[TheFrog]

Surely a slightly bigger WSS (35-38k) without all the bells and whistles would be a better alternate.

Bit late now, it opens for business next Easter.

But ANZ is a bucket heap and needs to be bulldozed and re-built properly.

Obviously its primary purpose when built was not to be a Rugby League stadium. It is still under 20 years since it opened. My feeling is that it should only be used when a crowd over 40,000 is expected. Which in the case of the NRL, is at most 3 times a year. It is completely unsuitable for regular season matches with crowds under 20,000. It is only the need to use the venue that has led to it being used thus. Spending squillions rebuilding a stadium under 20 years old will not change a thing, it will just make certain people wealthy.

 

[morley101]

The bigger question for the political parties is

Is the stadium rebuild going to change your vote.

I think most people thinks its not an important issue.

 

[beave]

Bit late now, it opens for business next Easter.

you took my comment out of context.

the new Allianz should just be a slight bigger version of WSS. I probably didn’t explain myself well enough, my bad.

 

[thorson1987]

When there's an election in three months and they are planning to raze the place in the meantime, and the opposition opposes the rebuild, it would seem like the sensible option to wait, wouldn't you think? The trouble it, Berejiklian has been complacent up until now, thinking she cannot lose. All of a sudden, there is every chance she might.

You talk as though it has only just been announced.

The new deal was announced back in March, and the original plan long before that.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Agreed on a down tweaked Allianz. Surely a slightly bigger WSS (35-38k) without all the bells and whistles would be a better alternate.

But ANZ is a bucket heap and needs to be bulldozed and re-built properly.

Never mind, you answered my question in another post.

 

[Timbo]

I remember when Campbell Newman used this same tactic to try to get an Origin game for free...

All the NRL needs to do is make sure they dont get caught up in the emotion and just keep stating the facts, “the NSW gov broke their contract, no hard feelings. Other states offered better deals.”

Not only that, but his government refused to meet CA and ICC hosting demands for the 2015 Cricket World Cup, and he kept parroting lines about the Gabba being a world class venue that spoke for itself and Queensland shouldn't have to bid for premium content. Queensland ended up with three of the shittest matches in the tournament and none from the knock-out stage, and Queensland cricket fans were rightly pissed off.

I think Daley is underestimating how upset people will be if this ends up costing Sydney the Grand Final.