The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

So Gladys, should the Liberals get in on Saturday evening, has no obstacle to continuing the plans as they stand, other than potentially favourable political manoeuvring by a compromise as suggested above?

If she’s in a minority government the legislative assembly could theoretically stop the build.

 

[Timbo]

So Gladys, should the Liberals get in on Saturday evening, has no obstacle to continuing the plans as they stand, other than potentially favourable political manoeuvring by a compromise as suggested above?

No, but there's an awful lot of quid-pro-quo that goes on with the upper house. Sure, she could just ram it through as making it part of a budget bill, but she'll need a lot of help to get stuff through the upper house she wants to get done.

Is it worth her spending that political capital on a stadium, or making a compromise so she can get other stuff done where she will need help from the LC?

 

[herbert henry1908]

No, but there's an awful lot of quid-pro-quo that goes on with the upper house. Sure, she could just ram it through as making it part of a budget bill, but she'll need a lot of help to get stuff through the upper house she wants to get done.

Is it worth her spending that political capital on a stadium, or making a compromise so she can get other stuff done where she will need help from the LC?

The funding has already been allocated I’m pretty sure, it’d take the lower house to effectively rescind that. But that could lead to a crisis because it’s a supply issue.

 

[Timbo]

The funding has already been allocated I’m pretty sure, it’d take the lower house to effectively rescind that. But that could lead to a crisis because it’s a supply issue.

I'm not referring to that - I'm saying that they may have the clout to say 'amend this, and if you don't we will block other legislation you send to us for the next three years'.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I'm not referring to that - I'm saying that they may have the clout to say 'amend this, and if you don't we will block other legislation you send to us for the next three years'.

Yeah that’s a definite possibility. Whoever has control of the cross bench in the upper house will want something, it’ll all depend on if the government can swallow it.

 

[Timbo]

Yeah that’s a definite possibility. Whoever has control of the cross bench in the upper house will want something, it’ll all depend on if the government can swallow it.

Yeah - my gut feel is she won't want to burn all of her political capital on the existing plans, but we'll end up with a re-built ANZ and a very good new SFS as a compromise.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

She could make some good capital just by f**king off the SCG trust from the equation.

 

[adamkungl]

I really don't get the obsession with the SCG Trust

I can safely say I have never given the slightest thought to the SCG Trust or any other stadium management organisation yet half of Sydney seems to have it in for them.

Plain old rich people hate

 

[herbert henry1908]

I really don't get the obsession with the SCG Trust

I can safely say I have never given the slightest thought to the SCG Trust or any other stadium management organisation yet half of Sydney seems to have it in for them.

Plain old rich people hate

The problem is it represents their own interests, not Sydney’s and not NSW’s

I don’t hate them for that, but it’s not a good model for the state anymore. Worked fine when they were our only major venues, but not anymore. I

 

[taipan]

Mate of mine is voting Latham in the Upper house, who he believes will keep Daley in check.Dunno.
With the mish mash of Independents in the Fed Senate ,a similar situation in the State Upper House of chaos could happen.
I just want the stadiums to get done and dusted, regardless of who gets in.I just don't want FitzSimons to get credit for stopping it.His ego would run riot.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Given Lib’s poor form at negotiating - especially in a minority government, I fear the stadium plans are gonna get farked over unless Gladys wins in her own right

 

[Captain Apollo]

Mate of mine is voting Latham in the Upper house, who he believes will keep Daley in check.Dunno.
With the mish mash of Independents in the Fed Senate ,a similar situation in the State Upper House of chaos could happen.
I just want the stadiums to get done and dusted, regardless of who gets in.I just don't want FitzSimons to get credit for stopping it.His ego would run riot.

Latham, keep Daley in check?! ROFLMAO. Latham is a dope who won't have anywhere near the influence he thinks. The ALP hate rats, and that is how they will view him if he gets elected. Labor are more likely to do deals with the others than him if they need to.

Prior to this election, this is the current composition of the Legislative Council (i.e. the upper house) -

Animal Justice Party - 1;
Australian Labor Party - 12;
Christian Democratic Party - 2;
The Greens - 4;
Liberal Party - 13;
The Nationals - 7;
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party - 2; and
Independent - 1 (formerly of The Greens).

Of the 42 members, only 21 are up for re-election. Those up for re-election by current party -

Animal Justice Party - Nil;
Australian Labor Party - 5;
Christian Democratic Party - 1;
The Greens - 2;
Liberal Party - 8;
The Nationals - 3;
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party - 1; and
Independent - 1.

Hence any loss of seats are more likely to come from the Government parties than the ALP as those up for re-election are those elected at the 2011 landslide election by the Coalition.

 

[Perth Red]

I really don't get the obsession with the SCG Trust

I can safely say I have never given the slightest thought to the SCG Trust or any other stadium management organisation yet half of Sydney seems to have it in for them.

Plain old rich people hate

Biggest issue, as I understand it, is the scg members issue that means over 10k seats have to be set aside for people who are likely to rarely use them for two of the three tenants. That means it needs a 40-45k stadium just to accomodate the 30k that is actually needed for the clubs usage. That $730mill spend could comfortably be a $320million spend without scg trust interference. And more importantly a 30k stadium would actually be much better for the three tenants than a 45k seat one.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Biggest issue, as I understand it, is the scg members issue that means over 10k seats have to be set aside for people who are likely to rarely use them for two of the three tenants. That means it needs a 40-45k stadium just to accomodate the 30k that is actually needed for the clubs usage. That $730mill spend could comfortably be a $320million spend without scg trust interference. And more importantly a 30k stadium would actually be much better for the three tenants than a 45k seat one.

But aren’t the NRL just as complicit in all this? I thought we were getting a larger than required SFS to host the GF while ANZ got the rebuild/later watered down refurb, yes?

 

[franklin2323]

Biggest issue, as I understand it, is the scg members issue that means over 10k seats have to be set aside for people who are likely to rarely use them for two of the three tenants. That means it needs a 40-45k stadium just to accomodate the 30k that is actually needed for the clubs usage. That $730mill spend could comfortably be a $320million spend without scg trust interference. And more importantly a 30k stadium would actually be much better for the three tenants than a 45k seat one.

Throw in their need to compete with ANZ for events. Who really cares which stadium has what.. As long as they are in NSW who cares.

The one body should run all govt owned stadiums imo. Whether it is the SCG trust or not just get more events here to shut the whingers up

 

[herbert henry1908]

But aren’t the NRL just as complicit in all this? I thought we were getting a larger than required SFS to host the GF while ANZ got the rebuild/later watered down refurb, yes?

No. The NRL & channel 9 pushed hard for the stadium to be 30-35k.

 

[Captain Apollo]

No. The NRL & channel 9 pushed hard for the stadium to be 30-35k.

Yep. The original deal which the NRL signed off on was ANZ got done with any left over money to then be spent on refurbishing the SFS. The NSW Government changed the plans after Baird resigned as Premier as Ayres persuaded Gladys to change the policy to closer to what the SCG Trust wanted.

If anything the NRL are complicit in accepting the Government changing the plans after the deal had been struck.

 

[T-Boon]

Yep. The original deal which the NRL signed off on was ANZ got done with any left over money to then be spent on refurbishing the SFS. The NSW Government changed the plans after Baird resigned as Premier as Ayres persuaded Gladys to change the policy to closer to what the SCG Trust wanted.

If anything the NRL are complicit in accepting the Government changing the plans after the deal had been struck.

Yep, the NRL should do the same in return. Wait for all the stadiums to be built as per the new crap deal all the while giving lip service to playing the GF here for 20 years in return, then put it out for the highest bidding city once they are built.

 

[T-Boon]

I really don't get the obsession with the SCG Trust

I can safely say I have never given the slightest thought to the SCG Trust or any other stadium management organisation yet half of Sydney seems to have it in for them.

Plain old rich people hate

I hate them because I think they are all AFL/Union knobs.

 

[taipan]

I hate them because I think they are all AFL/Union knobs.

Not Katie Page.But you're right Shepherd is a fumbler knob ,who stands to gain if ANZ remains the current config.