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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Delboy

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“q or the ABC ,
“First time caller, long time listener”
“Ah... you called last night Delboy”
“Sorry, it’s my Alzheimer’s”
“We get that a lot here, don’t worry”

Cmon monkey, as usual if you have no argument response use the personal attack

Wouldn't bother to respond but it's my taxes that enable you to accept the dole, go to Maccas to use their free wifi, watch the Project and Q&A and listen to the ABC. Problem is that you're opinions are formed by listening to Waleed Aly , Kristina Keneally and Bandanahead. Where's the thanks for my contribution so you have time to attend GetUp meerings.

Alls good in debate, but seriously I have never rung that station, did ring MG on TalkinSport about 20 years ago. Actually only listen to,Hardely because after Lwvy and Riddell that sports station is taken over by AFL wankers.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Haha, think it’s your pocket money to go there .

Just a bit of fun, see what happens Saturday, or more importantly Sunday at 4 pm :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Will Trotter’s Independent Traders be parked out the front selling genuine replica jerseys for $50 a pop? Gotta spend that pocket money somewhere
 
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The thing that maybe they could have done between Central and Sydenham is reroute it to cover the East Village area around Zetland which is very high density and is in a public transport dead zone and still too far from Green Square station to be any good then have it come across to service the Ashmore Estate development around the Alexandria, Erskineville , St Peters area then on to where it comes out just before Sydenham Station near Marrickville Metro. There is still no decision whether St Peters and Erskineville will go onto the T8 or the Eastern Suburbs line but either way there is going to be a lot of increase of people using these stations with the Ashmore Estate development when it is opened , just think that part of the project was a missed opportunity, instead between Central and Sydenham you the one stop at Waterloo which is sitting right at the end of the housing commission area there and is only 5-6 minute work from Redfern station. Sorry a bit off topic for stadium talk.


Zetland is likely to get a station when the metro west extension into the eastern suburbs, there’s been significant geo technical work in the area.

Apparently they wanted to put another stop between central & sydneham but there was a big backlash from locals. But the stop at waterloo will be important for the technology park area.
 

Suitman

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after Daley’s little presser today, I’m pretty confident he’s not getting in. If he does, you lot are f**ked in the head down there.

I couldn't agree more.
It will be a scenario of 10 steps forward previously and 100 steps back in this state if Daley gets in.
The guy, and his party simply have no clue and have done no due diligence in their policy making except be anti f**king everything.
Voters are stupid though.
If Gladys is re-elected, this state will continue to prosper, as it has done over the past 8 years.
If she isn't, god help us with the other bunch of f**king clowns.
 

horrie hastings

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Zetland is likely to get a station when the metro west extension into the eastern suburbs, there’s been significant geo technical work in the area.

Apparently they wanted to put another stop between central & sydneham but there was a big backlash from locals. But the stop at waterloo will be important for the technology park area.

Yes I thought going through Zetland may have been a bit off track for it and it might come under another possible metro line sometime in the future but the Ashmore estate at Alexandria/ Erskineville would have been an ideal stop and pretty much in line with where it was coming from at Waterloo and still link up to Sydenham station and it would take pressure of Erskineville and St Peter’s station once they end up on another line.
 

beave

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I couldn't agree more.
It will be a scenario of 10 steps forward previously and 100 steps back in this state if Daley gets in.
The guy, and his party simply have no clue and have done no due diligence in their policy making except be anti f**king everything.
Voters are stupid though.
If Gladys is re-elected, this state will continue to prosper, as it has done over the past 8 years.
If she isn't, god help us with the other bunch of f**king clowns.

c’mon mate, $3 billion for TAFE in NSW!!........
 

taipan

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c’mon mate, $3 billion for TAFE in NSW!!........


What's $3bn when you have.a guy who'd lose a primary school debate.,And he's a lawyer..
It was bleeding cringeworthy, and this guy wants to run the state.
The Libs stuffed up the light rail through George street, but geez letting this bloke loose, we'd have unfinished infrastructure looking like Greek ruins in the city.
 

TheRam

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What's $3bn when you have.a guy who'd lose a primary school debate.,And he's a lawyer..
It was bleeding cringeworthy, and this guy wants to run the state.
The Libs stuffed up the light rail through George street, but geez letting this bloke loose, we'd have unfinished infrastructure looking like Greek ruins in the city.

We should be so lucky.
 

taipan

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Yeah and I'd probably pay to see the Ancient Greek Allianz stadium destroyed by the Vandals and Visigoths of the 21st century.
 

Timbo

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Here's my Friday prediction:

  • Gladys wins tomorrow, but it's a minority government and a much more contested upper house with the ALP, Greens and Keep Sydney Open picking up seats.
  • She announces on Monday that she's taken on board the issues that people had with her stadium policy.
  • The result will be the ANZ renovation continues as planned in order to keep the deal with the NRL for grand finals. The SFS rebuild will continue, but as a 'concession' it will be a smaller stadium in the 30-35k range.
  • Gladys will say she's saved the taxpayer $250m and that will be the last we hear of it.
 
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Here's my Friday prediction:

  • Gladys wins tomorrow, but it's a minority government and a much more contested upper house with the ALP, Greens and Keep Sydney Open picking up seats.
  • She announces on Monday that she's taken on board the issues that people had with her stadium policy.
  • The result will be the ANZ renovation continues as planned in order to keep the deal with the NRL for grand finals. The SFS rebuild will continue, but as a 'concession' it will be a smaller stadium in the 30-35k range.
  • Gladys will say she's saved the taxpayer $250m and that will be the last we hear of it.

The upper house will be interesting.

I don’t expect the greens will pick up seats, from what I can gather keep Sydney open is taking a lot of votes from them, plus the greens have been in chaos.

Expect Latham & probably Leyonjhelm to get elected.
 

Timbo

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The upper house will be interesting.

I don’t expect the greens will pick up seats, from what I can gather keep Sydney open is taking a lot of votes from them, plus the greens have been in chaos.

Expect Latham & probably Leyonjhelm to get elected.

That worries me, the Shooters and Fishers too. If they get a MLC and Latham and Leyonhelm get the balance of power it'll be chaos.
 

adamkungl

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Here's my Friday prediction:

  • Gladys wins tomorrow, but it's a minority government and a much more contested upper house with the ALP, Greens and Keep Sydney Open picking up seats.
  • She announces on Monday that she's taken on board the issues that people had with her stadium policy.
  • The result will be the ANZ renovation continues as planned in order to keep the deal with the NRL for grand finals. The SFS rebuild will continue, but as a 'concession' it will be a smaller stadium in the 30-35k range.
  • Gladys will say she's saved the taxpayer $250m and that will be the last we hear of it.

Would be an OK compromise but I'm hoping she can stick to her guns and get it done properly.
 

adamkungl

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Forgive my ignorance about the political machinations - Does infrastructure spending have to pass through the senate or is that just new laws?
 
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Forgive my ignorance about the political machinations - Does infrastructure spending have to pass through the senate or is that just new laws?

Under section 5A of the Constitution Act 1902, the Legislative Council effectively has no authority over the budget bills. If they amend it, reject it, or fail to pass it, the Legislative Assembly can send it to the Governor for assent. So if the infrastructure spend is part of the budget then there is virtually nothing the Legislative Council can do to stop it.
 

adamkungl

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Under section 5A of the Constitution Act 1902, the Legislative Council effectively has no authority over the budget bills. If they amend it, reject it, or fail to pass it, the Legislative Assembly can send it to the Governor for assent. So if the infrastructure spend is part of the budget then there is virtually nothing the Legislative Council can do to stop it.

So Gladys, should the Liberals get in on Saturday evening, has no obstacle to continuing the plans as they stand, other than potentially favourable political manoeuvring by a compromise as suggested above?
 
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A really good opinion piece article by Andrew Webster in the Sydney Morning Herald today about the whole stadiums issue -

A vote for stadiums isn't a vote for Alan Jones
Andrew WebsterMarch 21, 2019 — 4.38pm

Two days before Jeff Horn fought Manny Pacquiao in June 2017, broadcaster Alan Jones hosted a luncheon at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre.

As always, Jones wowed patrons with his impressive sporting knowledge as he interviewed the likes of Roberto Duran, Jeff Fenech and Timothy Bradley.

In between on-stage commitments, he approached a table of reporters – this one included – and rattled off an unforgettable remark about the great stadium debate that was starting to rage back home in Sydney.

“There’s going to be another Hillsborough!” he declared.

Jones was referring to the Hillsborough disaster in 1989 when 96 people were crushed to death while attending the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

This, Jones felt, justified the knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium, which is operated by the SCG Trust, of which Jones is a long-time trustee.

As someone who has been pro-stadium ever since the NSW state government first proposed the idea of upgrading Sydney’s woefully outdated stadiums as far back as 2012, I cringed.

“God, I hope he doesn’t say that on-air,” I recall telling a colleague sitting next to me.

As anyone who has read tens of thousands of words about the Hillsborough tragedy, or seen scores of documentaries (including ESPN’s stomach-churning 30 for 30 series in 2014), would know, there’s no comparison between what happened at Hillsborough that day and the decaying relic that Allianz has become.

As countless inquiries and inquests over the years have shown, blame for the Hillsborough disaster was placed at the feet of people – not the stadium.

In fact, at the foot of one person: retired chief superintendent David Duckenfield, the match commander that day, who is currently before a court in the UK facing 95 charges of manslaughter by gross negligence. He has pleaded not guilty.

Jones did mention it on air, as have others. His decision to even whisper Hillsborough in the same breath as Sydney’s need for new stadiums was a mistake and, to be fair, offensive.

But it also sums up how almost every participant in the stadium debate, from both sides of government to the Trust itself, has ballsed up the discussion.

Amid the rambling mistruths, distorted facts, claims and counter-claims, reports, polls, petitions and just simply appalling PR over the last four years, it has been a cock-up.

But there is one inescapable fact for those sports fans who regularly attend these venues: they are outdated, they are punishing to get into, move around in, buy food and drink in, go to the toilets in, and then leave.

Cue the outrage ... But nobody goes to Allianz!

Try telling that to the 600,000 people who went there over nine months last year before the venue was shut down in September so demolition work could start. That included three sell-outs over 40,000, which included record crowds at the Wallabies-Ireland Test match and the Roosters-Souths preliminary final. There were 13 events held at Allianz last year with crowds of 20,000 or more.

That just proves it doesn’t need to be knocked down!

Try telling that to those who were there, crushed like sardines on the concourses getting to their seats or stuck in endless lines for beers and food and the bathrooms.

At a political level, the manoeuvring behind the scenes belongs in an episode of Veep.

In September 2015, then Premier Mike Baird announced a new rectangular stadium at Moore Park with 50,000-55,000 seats.

By April the following year, he backflipped, announcing that ANZ Stadium would be rebuilt but Allianz would only be refurbished after the 2019 election. Then Baird left to take up a job in the banking sector.

In November 2017, new premier Gladys Berejiklian announced a change in the batting order: Allianz would be knocked down and replaced with a $729 million stadium. ANZ Stadium would be refurbished after that.

Somebody — anybody — pick a freaking stadium policy and stick to it!

The Opposition Leader at the time, Luke Foley, insisted that ANZ should be fixed first. After previously claiming neither of the stadiums needed refurbishment. After previously claiming ANZ should be the priority.

When I often bumped into Foley at sporting events, I would jokingly ask which stadium policy he was following today. He would chuckle and admit it was all about votes in the west.

Really? I’m stunned.

In November last year, Foley resigned amid claims he drunkenly harassed a female ABC journalist at a Christmas party in 2016. (He has said the allegations against him are false and has indicated he will sue for defamation).

So in came Michael Daley to save the day, pitting himself against Jones and others who occupy “the big end of town”, declaring Labor won’t put stadiums before schools and hospitals and, presumably, that godforsaken thing they call Vivid.

It paints a nice, evocative picture of pensioners gasping for air in waiting rooms and school kiddies sweltering in demountables but doesn’t really make sense when you consider the $1.9 billion allocated for two stadiums is part of Berijiklian’s spend of $87.2 billion on infrastructure over the next four years. Ashtray change, really, in comparison.

Daley says he will build “something” at Moore Park if he's elected, although he doesn’t know if it’s a refurbishment or just a smaller, 30,000-seat stadium similar to the new Parramatta Stadium that’s about to be opened.

He says the NSW taxpayer won’t fund it — the SCG Trust will have to take out a loan. But didn’t he say he was going to dissolve the Trust?

Meanwhile, as the days tick down to the March 23 election, heavy machinery is gouging big chunks out of the side of Allianz like a Komodo Dragon that's stumbled upon a sleeping backpacker.

Which of Berijiklian’s advisers thought that would be smart optics?

But if we’re going to really get to the heart of this issue, time to get serious. This isn’t about new stadiums. It’s not about fire sprinklers. It’s not about the NRL threatening to take the grand final interstate.

It’s about Alan Jones. It’s about the belief that he runs this city instead of elected officials. If he’s not on the SCG Trust, are we talking about any of this?

Fair play to Daley for taking him on. Politically, it is a death-or-glory move. We are about to see how much sway the veteran broadcaster still has in this state.

But a vote for stadiums isn’t necessarily a vote for Jones or the big end of town. It's for long-suffering sports fans who deserve adequate stadiums like every other major city.
 

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