The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Flogging a dead horse as usual but what is your justification in manly getting a new stadium?

NSW Waratahs could take a few games there. The local Shute Shield teams could also adopt it as their home. Would be a great place for the Shute Shield GF.

It's for this reason I am against a rebuild of Brookvale. The last thing we want is to give RU a leg up in its heartland.

There's a pandemic and people have lost their jobs. The last thing people who've been affected by COVID-19-related redundancies need is to see taxes they've paid go to an RL/RU club.

 

[horrie hastings]

Brookvale will be a complete rebuild on the current site. COE stand is the first part of this.

Would love to see the old Western Grand stands pulled down at Brookvale and redeveloped after the Northern end is done, then do the southern end done grand stand wise then leave the eastern hill, that gives over 60% of the ground under cover and grand stand seating and still leave a family hill.

 

[siv]

And that’s a hardship?

Guess you never had to sit on a platform for a hour late at night after you missed your connection

 

[Perth Red]

Guess you never had to sit on a platform for a hour late at night after you missed your connection

Nope can’t say I have, but then I dont live in a city with a sht transport system.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Would love to see the old Western Grand stands pulled down at Brookvale and redeveloped after the Northern end is done, then do the southern end done grand stand wise then leave the eastern hill, that gives over 60% of the ground under cover and grand stand seating and still leave a family hill.

Mate, why would you bother to knock down the existing stands, only to rebuild them, but leave the eastern terrace untouched?

The point of these upgrades is to bring the grounds into the 21st century. Modern stadia just do NOT have a terrace on the far side that is seen on camera. It's a terrible look for the game and makes it appear amateurish and about 70 to 100 years out of date.

The rest of the country, and non-RL fans in general, must look at NSW's dilapidated grounds and think the sport is run by Elmer Fudd and watched by his inbred children.

 

[TGG]

Well why even bring up Internet at all?

40 year old men posting on forums might not believe it but for a lot of young people if they can’t access the internet at an event it’s a negative. Whether that is through data or wifi. Stadiums haven’t added wifi capabilities because they don’t understand their customers.

 

[TGG]

I get what you are saying. Fans don't get enough entertainment at an NRL game to justify a bothersome journey. That is why I have always suggested things like play the game in quarters, stretch the length of the game out, do things in the quarter time break. Generally make it a better spectacle.

The whole world including the sports world is rapidly shifting to quick to consume entertainment. Stretching NRL game day out so it goes longer is a terrible idea in a world where we are already short on time.

 

[Ozzi_78]

The whole world including the sports world is rapidly shifting to quick to consume entertainment. Stretching NRL game day out so it goes longer is a terrible idea in a world where we are already short on time.

Yeah you’re right. We want to pay hundreds for membership and spend an hour at the ground each time, not very good for fan engagement.

 

[TGG]

Mate… my age has absolutely nothing to do with it. Ask 100 people at the footy how important internet access is at the ground and single digits will say yes. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean you are right.

Just because you say single digits will say yes doesn’t mean that’s true.

And sure, I’ll do what you ask. I’ll ask the 100 people who are tweeting during the game, the ones vlogging from their seats, the ones using messenger to locate where in the stadium their friends are, the ones uploading a snap from the game onto Instagram and the ones going live or uploading on their favourite social media account when a conversion attempt is taking place.

Yep having a dig at mods will get you far. If you have a problem use the report function. That’s what it’s for.

Thanks for the advise. Next time keep it to yourself.

If you’ve interpreted that as “having a go at the mods” then you must be pretty soft.

Yeah you’re right. We want to pay hundreds for membership and spend an hour at the ground each time, not very good for fan engagement.

People want to consume products when they want, how they want and as quick as they want.

T20 cricket is popular around the world because you can watch a cricket match without wasting an entire day (or 5).

Thousands of NBA fans consume that product in Australia exclusively through highlights.

Kayo Minis are incredibly popular because it’s a quick easy watch with all the good bits.

Rugby 7’s is played in front of huge crowds around the world.

Don’t get me wrong like you so often do, I’m not advocating for shortening the event. Current NRL game days are longer than an hour. I’m just pointing out that you won’t attract many of the younger generations by making it take up more of their time in an increasingly busy world. This trend is something all sports and the current successful businesses are tackling around the world.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

40 year old men posting on forums might not believe it but for a lot of young people if they can’t access the internet at an event it’s a negative. Whether that is through data or wifi. Stadiums haven’t added wifi capabilities because they don’t understand their customers.

A once in a century moment could take place on the field and half the fans in the stands would miss it because they're too busy posting shit on Facebook and Twitter.

 

[Perth Red]

Mate… my age has absolutely nothing to do with it. Ask 100 people at the footy how important internet access is at the ground and single digits will say yes. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean you are right.

Ask 100 teens and you’ll get a different answer I suspect.

 

[Perth Red]

A once in a century moment could take place on the field and half the fans in the stands would miss it because they're too busy posting shit on Facebook and Twitter.

Such is the modern world lol

 

[Tiger Shark]

Ask 100 teens and you’ll get a different answer I suspect.

How many teens are buying season tickets to the footy though ? I know atleast I didn't have that cash lying around nor the inclination to commit to that many games a year. I went to alot of games but it was select games (typically on Saturday cos Northies)

And if they are buying memberships it's just general memberships. The big money is in appealing to the corporate dollar. Look at Bankwest - they moved all their members into the sun to create top class corporate facilities.

 

[horrie hastings]

Mate, why would you bother to knock down the existing stands, only to rebuild them, but leave the eastern terrace untouched?

The point of these upgrades is to bring the grounds into the 21st century. Modern stadia just do NOT have a terrace on the far side that is seen on camera. It's a terrible look for the game and makes it appear amateurish and about 70 to 100 years out of date.

The rest of the country, and non-RL fans in general, must look at NSW's dilapidated grounds and think the sport is run by Elmer Fudd and watched by his inbred children.

This was the plan a few years ago although i think it has changed since for the redevelopment. What was proposed on the right of the pic was a grass area with some sort of facilities set further back



Of course now the centre of excellence is behind the Norther in goal area.

 

[Dogs Of War]

How many teens are buying season tickets to the footy though ? I know atleast I didn't have that cash lying around nor the inclination to commit to that many games a year. I went to alot of games but it was select games (typically on Saturday cos Northies)

And if they are buying memberships it's just general memberships. The big money is in appealing to the corporate dollar. Look at Bankwest - they moved all their members into the sun to create top class corporate facilities.

But they are the people who will buy season tickets in good spots when their finances allow it. So if they have a good experience including the internet. They are more likely to want the same for their families. Can't be short sighted. It's all about the next generation of fans at all times. Get them hooked early and you have your next income stream.

 

[Tiger Shark]

Well it seems some clubs don’t want to, or feel they can’t, move away from their suburb so the reality is they are going to need new stadiums. We’ve given up on a centralised stadium model, many will say for good reason, so that leaves EVERY club needing a stadium fit for a top sport.

Hopefully we will see some shared like souths and roosters and tigers and dogs if they can get a new stadium. The rest are going to need their own. So might as well be manly after panthers.

Sharks look like they are a bit stuck as the ground is hemmed in on all sides with geography or buildings so will never get a new stadium in current location. Even upgrading significantly to a 25k all seater undercover looks difficult given one side has the LC the other is getting a cofe building on it, one end is built and other end has powerlines over it.

it’s time for nrl in sydney to enter the 21st century of sports facilities, my strategy at least gets the majority of clubs playing in new state of art stadiums.

It would be extremely easy to upgrade Shark Park to a 25k modern stadium if the money was there.

There's plenty of room on the ET stand side to put a full length new stand that could tie in with a new Monty Porter stand and a new stand where the Hill is. Though the hill is very popular with the families and kids.

It would be U shape similar to the Cowboys stadium but better in that the leagues club/restaurants and beer garden can all over look it on that end.

I can't see there every being money to do all that though. And if we are the only team that plays out of there they shouldn't get that money imo.

Provided they get a COE and upgraded Corp facilities and amenities it'll be a great suburban stadium situation next to brand new leagues club, restaurants shops etc.

The Sharks would rather play in the area they represent than move out of the area, and rightly so.

 

[TheRam]

Would love to see the old Western Grand stands pulled down at Brookvale and redeveloped after the Northern end is done, then do the southern end done grand stand wise then leave the eastern hill, that gives over 60% of the ground under cover and grand stand seating and still leave a family hill.

You dinosaurs and your freakin hills!

The "Hill" is the worst part of any of our grounds. Other then the parent that wants to let their little monsters run a muck to drain all that annoying childhood energy out of them, not to many others want to sit in a damp cold or wet hill, especially at night in the middle of winter mate.

That is why so many games that are played with hills look so empty and lack any atmosphere or have any hype to them at all. If I had my way I would make it a mandated rule that all teams must play out of proper all seat stadiums as part of their licence agreement. If they don't then the NRL can move that licence to whichever region of Australia they chose fit to.

That would force the hand of a few clubs to either do so or perish. Even if they moved to say Olympic, Parra or SFS Stadiums, say the Tigers, Saints or Sharks, if their crowds stayed flat or declined then maybe they would pull their finger out and either make a massive effort to lobby Governments to get a Stadium or if that didn't work, one or two of them would bite the bullet and make the mammoth and monumental decision to move to places like Perth or Adelaide, otherwise they would be left behind.

This molly coddling of all our clubs is what is helping to hold our game back from making the big hard decisions. Tough love is what is needed to help our game to realize its maximum potential. Make the rules of holding on to a franchise licence of the highest and difficult standards, otherwise mediocrity will always linger and allow the armatures and ne'er-do-wells that have a place within our game to hide and actually flourish.

Massive "Hills" at our grounds are the visual result of a game that is poorly run. They are nothing to be proud of or celebrate. When I and hundreds of thousands of others if not millions see hills, especially half empty ones, all we think is amateurism and a sport that isn't that important or popular and people don't care for much. They are a legacy of a bygone era that almost all other tier one sports around the world grew out of decades ago let alone still carry on with in the 21st Century. Modern man and woman spits at the "Hill" and will rush to the dry, under cover comfort of a nice and modern facility that allows them easily access to food, drinks, toilets, Wi-Fi, screens and so on and if you put a full on roof over it, warmth in those bleak, windy and wet winter overcast days and miserable nights. The difference that that creates in the minds of the casual spectator that is umming and ahing about going to a game or not is massive and can turn those casuals into regulars.

The point is "HILLS" are like an acute case of the crabs on a beautiful lady. Sure you will hold her hand, even in public, but they need to be eradicated before anyone wants to commit and go all in.

 

[horrie hastings]

The point is "HILLS" are like an acute case of the crabs on a beautiful lady. Sure you will hold her hand, even in public, but they need to be eradicated before anyone wants to commit and go all in.

 

[horrie hastings]

You dinosaurs and your freakin hills!

The "Hill" is the worst part of any of our grounds. Other then the parent that wants to let their little monsters run a muck to drain all that annoying childhood energy out of them, not to many others want to sit in a damp cold or wet hill, especially at night in the middle of winter mate.

That is why so many games that are played with hills look so empty and lack any atmosphere or have any hype to them at all. If I had my way I would make it a mandated rule that all teams must play out of proper all seat stadiums as part of their licence agreement. If they don't then the NRL can move that licence to whichever region of Australia they chose fit to.

That would force the hand of a few clubs to either do so or perish. Even if they moved to say Olympic, Parra or SFS Stadiums, say the Tigers, Saints or Sharks, if their crowds stayed flat or declined then maybe they would pull their finger out and either make a massive effort to lobby Governments to get a Stadium or if that didn't work, one or two of them would bite the bullet and make the mammoth and monumental decision to move to places like Perth or Adelaide, otherwise they would be left behind.

This molly coddling of all our clubs is what is helping to hold our game back from making the big hard decisions. Tough love is what is needed to help our game to realize its maximum potential. Make the rules of holding on to a franchise licence of the highest and difficult standards, otherwise mediocrity will always linger and allow the armatures and ne'er-do-wells that have a place within our game to hide and actually flourish.

Massive "Hills" at our grounds are the visual result of a game that is poorly run. They are nothing to be proud of or celebrate. When I and hundreds of thousands of others if not millions see hills, especially half empty ones, all we think is amateurism and a sport that isn't that important or popular and people don't care for much. They are a legacy of a bygone era that almost all other tier one sports around the world grew out of decades ago let alone still carry on with in the 21st Century. Modern man and woman spits at the "Hill" and will rush to the dry, under cover comfort of a nice and modern facility that allows them easily access to food, drinks, toilets, Wi-Fi, screens and so on and if you put a full on roof over it, warmth in those bleak, windy and wet winter overcast days and miserable nights. The difference that that creates in the minds of the casual spectator that is umming and ahing about going to a game or not is massive and can turn those casuals into regulars.

The point is "HILLS" are like an acute case of the crabs on a beautiful lady. Sure you will hold her hand, even in public, but they need to be eradicated before anyone wants to commit and go all in.

I'm happy to go the modern grounds with state of the art facilities like the new SFS will have and Bank West or what ever they call it now especially night games or a brand new Penrith Stadium once it is built but at the same time i would love to see a bit of tradition kept at a handful of grounds like Leichhardt and Brookvale with a hill, face it Leichhardt will only be used for 2-3 games a year and there is also a push for Manly to play games elsewhere like Gosford, i'm happy if Manly do get full grandstand and terrace seating as the ground is dilapidated and does need serious dollars spent on it, Leichhardt oval they could never get rid of the hill there because of the housing that is right behind it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This was the plan a few years ago although i think it has changed since for the redevelopment. What was proposed on the right of the pic was a grass area with some sort of facilities set further back

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Of course now the centre of excellence is behind the Norther in goal area.

Thank God that design never got the green light.