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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

adamkungl

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M2D2 said:
For you. Because you catch the train back to the city. Which is why you want the SFS to be improved so it can benefit you and your team.
For people who you know. DONT, ANZ is superior in every way.
ANZ not only has the benefit of having direct trains in two directions and a specific train station for the ground, something the SFS will never EVER have..
It also has the special event buses which offers direct buses to 10 different areas of Sydney.
Due to moore parks location and its surroundings. It can never offer this. Ever.
You have the choice of Central, or continuing on Anzac parade with the light rail when that opens which will make your BS claim of 40 mins on the train pale in comparison.
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Roosters wouldn't benefit from a 70k stadium any more or less than they would from a renovation.

"You have the choice of Central" which offers direct trains to 10 different areas of Sydney!
Did you hear it's getting a Metro West upgrade too?
 
M2D2

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adamkungl said:
Roosters wouldn't benefit from a 70k stadium any more or less than they would from a renovation.

"You have the choice of Central" which offers direct trains to 10 different areas of Sydney!
Did you hear it's getting a Metro West upgrade too?
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ANZ due it being Sydneys number 1 Stadium. PAYS clubs to play there. The SFS charges Rent.
What happens if the new SFS stadium becomes the number 1 stadium?

And though you try to put up a smokescreen of BULLSHIT. You still have to get to/from Moore park to/from Central. Which is 2km. unlike 200m compared to ANZ which has its own train station and its 10 direct buses to DIFFERENT parts of Sydney.
Moore park does NOT have its own train station NOR Direct buses to ANYWHERE beyond further down Anzac parade and back to Central which causes chokepoints of the light rail BACK to central, or the buses BACK to central. or walking BACK to central. Everything is back to Central.
You would be causing EVERYONE who lives outside of the city to go through ONE type of transport to get to Central and then three options from Central to Moore park, which may i remind you, some of the direct buses to and from ANZ are to areas that dont actually have a train line. Something that due to moore parks location will never be feasible.
Anybody with a brain can see why moore park CANNOT handle the crowd numbers that ANZ can.
You obviously miss out on that criteria and keep on going "NO EVIDENCE".
 
adamkungl

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It currently does handle 40k+ without the light rail, which the whole point of is to improve the time and capacity between Moore Park and Central, so it will be able to handle higher.

People going from ANZ to the East, South East, St George and Cronulla regions, Northern beaches and North shore all have to pass through Central even if they're coming back from ANZ via public transport. The supposed direct buses take twice as long.

And using central as a negative is insane. Everything in Sydney goes through central every bloody morning and afternoon. Without needing to wait 10..20...??? years for a Metro.

The argument for ANZ frequently falls back on a metro development that may or may not eventuate but you can't possible imagine improvements to the current Moore Park precinct that might come about with a stadium rebuild.
 
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adamkungl said:
The argument for ANZ frequently falls back on a metro development that may or may not eventuate but you can't possible imagine improvements to the current Moore Park precinct that might come about with a stadium rebuild.
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Even without Metro West I still think ANZ is easier to get to for most of Sydney.

The west is going to see more improvements simply because it's growing faster. But there are rumours of a metro east, no plans on if it would stop at Moore park though.
 
adamkungl

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Anyway. this is going around in circles. I've made my argument. Happy to step out of this one until we actually hear something new.
 
M2D2

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It really doesnt handle the 40k well at all.
The amount of people ive seen nearly get hit by cars because the buses take too long to get people back to central. Walking that 2km is Faster than catching the buses. Thats how bad it is to get out of the SFS for a sold out event. a 60k+ stadium at moore park is lunacy.
As someone who gets on the buses to ANZ, either from Bexley/Rockdale or Hurstville/Cronulla depending on 'things'.The buses take SO MUCH LESS time than the trains its HILARIOUS that you indicate otherwise, ESPECIALLY the rockdale bus where i was back to Bexley in less time than your claim of how long it takes to even CATCH a train away from ANZ after the Arsenal game.
Central IS a negative. Because its ONE mode of transport that everyone OUTSIDE of the city HAS to get. Unlike ANZ which offers options that takes the load of ONE specific mode of transport especially when ANZ offers buses to places that there are no trains stations.

The SFS is fine when its sub 30k. ANZ is a nightmare for sub 30k. Because they dont run the buses, nor do they run more than 2-3 express trains from Central.
But for the BIG events. ANZs location, infrastructure EVEN without the metro west and planning is superior in every way that Moore park could never EVER handle.
 
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Given the current trajectory of the stadium situation I reckon the best we could hope for is this:

Allianz: knocked down and rebuilt to 35k, slightly larger version of AAMI park. Hopefully with a retractable roof.

ANZ: 65k seat stadium with a retractable roof.

By scaling down the size of both stadiums slightly we'd be able to get a much higher quality stadium & closer to the original $1.65b budget.


I really hope they come to their senses about Allianz in particular. If it's not going to be the main stadium it doesn't need to be 45k. 35k seats would make a much better game day experience for ninety five percent of the games there.
 
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herbert henry1908 said:
Given the current trajectory of the stadium situation I reckon the best we could hope for is this:

Allianz: knocked down and rebuilt to 35k, slightly larger version of AAMI park. Hopefully with a retractable roof.

ANZ: 65k seat stadium with a retractable roof.

By scaling down the size of both stadiums slightly we'd be able to get a much higher quality stadium & closer to the original $1.65b budget.


I really hope they come to their senses about Allianz in particular. If it's not going to be the main stadium it doesn't need to be 45k. 35k seats would make a much better game day experience for ninety five percent of the games there.
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Does stadium size correlate directly with price like that? Whether the stadium holds 65K or 75K it's going to cost a mozza. I think they're better off building what is needed/wanted instead of skimping. This stadium will be the major one in Sydney for the next few decades.

I agree that the second stadium doesn't need to be huge. I think a boutique stadium that holds 30-40K and a large stadium that holds 70-80K would be perfect.
 
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Billythekid said:
Does stadium size correlate directly with price like that? Whether the stadium holds 65K or 75K it's going to cost a mozza. I think they're better off building what is needed/wanted instead of skimping. This stadium will be the major one in Sydney for the next few decades.

I agree that the second stadium doesn't need to be huge. I think a boutique stadium that holds 30-40K and a large stadium that holds 70-80K would be perfect.
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10k less seats at Allianz would save a significant amount of money.

It wouldn't correlate as an equal percentage to the reduced capacity but it'd still be significant.

Honestly I used to think 80k was required for our main stadium too, but I think we need to be realistic about how few times it sells out.

if it is going to be above 70k I hope provisions are made for a good intimate mode experience by blocking off the upper decks.
 
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M2D2 said:
And though you try to put up a smokescreen of BULLSHIT. You still have to get to/from Moore park to/from Central. Which is 2km.
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MCG is 1.5km from Flinders St station, plenty of people seem happy enough to walk that to attend AFL and cricket. Is an extra 500m the dealbreaker here?
 
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