The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Timbo]

What about a Rugby World Cup final? Not that we care, but the government certainly would.

The IRB requires 60,000 for a World Cup final.

This magical 80k number that we're beholden to is purely of FIFA's doing for a tournament that we are 30-50 years from hosting and that everyone knows should we do it the Victorian government will spend a bajillion dollars to have the final at the MCG.

 

[herbert henry1908]

SFS is serviced by a central train station that services EVERY train line city and country

ANZ only services the Western and Bankstown lines and ignores its two key hub stations of Strathfield and Central

Metro line won't solve that problem for regular public transport users or regional supporters

How is a 2.5km walk, uphill, servicing the SFS?

Plus how will the metro not solve the problem for ANZ? It's a fast metro line, will be able to do Parramatta to CBD in 15 mins. Plus the other line is capable of running direct for major events. ANZ will clearly be serviced better by public transport.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The IRB requires 60,000 for a World Cup final.

This magical 80k number that we're beholden to is purely of FIFA's doing for a tournament that we are 30-50 years from hosting and that everyone knows should we do it the Victorian government will spend a bajillion dollars to have the final at the MCG.

We're not really beholden to 80k. None of the govt proposals include an 80k seat option.

 

[El Diablo]

it needs to be 80k to future proof it

they didn't need 8 lanes on the harbour bridge when they built it but they new one day they would

 

[herbert henry1908]

it needs to be 80k to future proof it

they didn't need 8 lanes on the harbour bridge when they built it but they new one day they would

Future proof for what?

We're not going to get get club matches with crowds that big in the next 30 years. And the premier events already fill the stadium.

 

[Timbo]

Future proof for what?

We're not going to get get club matches with crowds that big in the next 30 years. And the premier events already fill the stadium.

Yeah I don't really follow that line of thought either. An extra 15-20k for 1-2 events a year that have significantly worse viewing than TV?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Check out this stadium in Italy just about to be built for $55m euros, that's $80m Australian.

Australian building costs are infuriating.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

Check out this stadium in Italy just about to be built for $55m euros, that's $80m Australian.

Australian building costs are infuriating.

Perfect little boutique stadium for the likes of the sharks, manly, tigers, Penrith and dragons. But over here that stadium costs 300mil

 

[adamkungl]

Less residents living in the CBD & surrounds?

Not a chance.

Less rugby league fans perhaps but the CBD & inner city population is booming.

Population of the CBD itself is forecast to double from 2011 to 2036.

The surrounding growth is even bigger with areas like Alexandria, green square etc.

This whole idea that 'all Rugby League fans live out west' and putting our showpiece stadium out west is typical Rugby League clinging to fringe suburban heartlands and completely ignoring the big end of town where tourists, media, and sponsor take serious notice.

Also the claim that Olympic Park will become a 'transport hub' with 10 min trips to the city when the Metro West is done - do people not realise it will travel both ways? The CBD will be quicker and easier to access than ever - and still Sydney's major, central transport hub.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This whole idea that 'all Rugby League fans live out west' and putting our showpiece stadium out west is typical Rugby League clinging to fringe suburban heartlands and completely ignoring the big end of town where tourists, media, and sponsor take serious notice.

Olympic park isn't even really out west. It's central Sydney.

And from my experience coporates show up in big numbers anyway. I seriously doubt having the major stadium in the CBD & surrounds will help premier events attract more coporates. They want to be associated with those games because they're popular.

Best argument for the major stadium in CBD and surrounds is tourists & things to do before & after the game.

Also the claim that Olympic Park will become a 'transport hub' with 10 min trips to the city when the Metro West is done - do people not realise it will travel both ways? The CBD will be quicker and easier to access than ever - and still Sydney's major, central transport hub.

Yeah but the metro isn't stopping at Moore Park. Same problem will be faced as is currently. The metro will be stopping right at Olympic Park, big difference.

I mean if we were talking about putting the stadium next to central station it'd be a no brainer.

 

[adamkungl]

Olympic park isn't even really out west. It's central Sydney.

True enough, the real west is nowhere near the level of completely bland wasteland that Homebush is.

 

[M2D2]

the CBD cannot handle a 60k+ stadium, not even with the new light rail unless they do what the do with Suncorp and close off roads after the game between SFS and Central (Which they wont do.)
The only person who thinks otherwise is Adam.

 

[adamkungl]

the CBD cannot handle a 60k+ stadium, not even with the new light rail unless they do what the do with Suncorp and close off roads after the game between SFS and Central (Which they wont do.)
The only person who thinks otherwise is Adam.

Nonsense. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. The CBD and East transport links handle many times that amount every single day obviously. The public transport handles current capacity SCG and SFS fine, and is being improved right now anyway.
The roads around the Moore Park/Anzac intersection get congested but it's a minor concern in the grand scheme of things.
I've suggested further limiting the carparks, people shouldn't be driving to 60k events anyway, but shutting down Foveuax St is a great suggestion too, good work.

 

[herbert henry1908]

the CBD cannot handle a 60k+ stadium, not even with the new light rail unless they do what the do with Suncorp and close off roads after the game between SFS and Central (Which they wont do.)
The only person who thinks otherwise is Adam.

CBD could handle 60-70k, Moore Park can't. (At least without a major rail line servicing it)

The problem is we appear wedded to Moore Park, it's too late now but some better thinking is needed for next time.

 

[adamkungl]

CBD could handle 60-70k, Moore Park can't. (At least without a major rail line servicing it)

The problem is we appear wedded to Moore Park, it's too late now but some better thinking is needed for next time.

Imagine if the government built a stadium at Barangaroo instead of a f**king casino

 

[M2D2]

The difference between getting in/out of ANZ after a sold out GF or SOO compared to a close to full SFS is night and day. ANZ has MULTIPLE car parks and both Trains and special event buses that come from ALL OVER Sydney to take pressure off the trains from Central.
The SFS will have light rail and buses from central, so an obvious chokepoint. Not enough parking lots either...
a 60k+ event at SFS would be a nightmare.
The only thing the SFS needs is proper damn roof that will encourage people to go to the games played there no matter the shitty weather.
It would be a close to perfect mid sized stadium if it had a roof.
Alas. Even if the SFS was rebuilt, they would still f**k it up and not put on a proper damn roof.

 

[adamkungl]

The difference between getting in/out of ANZ after a sold out GF or SOO compared to a close to full SFS is night and day.

lol getting out of the SFS is way easier. 40 mins scrum for the train back to the city from Olympic after Origin and GF.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Imagine if the government built a stadium at Barangaroo instead of a f**king casino

Problem with all this Sydney stadium stuff is it wasn't led by the govt or premier it was led by special interests.

So rather than making the best decisions for Sydney it's been special interests playing off each other.

No one wants to piss of the SCG trust or the western Sydney nrl clubs.

Instead if they'd commissioned a true independent analysis (not one led by the former liberal leader) they could've run with something much better for everyone.

 

[adamkungl]

Problem with all this Sydney stadium stuff is it wasn't led by the govt or premier it was led by special interests.

So rather than making the best decisions for Sydney it's been special interests playing off each other.

No one wants to piss of the SCG trust or the western Sydney nrl clubs.

Instead if they'd commissioned a true independent analysis (not one led by the former liberal leader) they could've run with something much better for everyone.

Also major missed opportunities in rail lines going decades back. Lazy and shortsighted.
City circle wouldn't have to go far out to include Moore Park.
Eastern line goes past Edgecliff instead of Moore Park.
Airport line skips it too.

 

[M2D2]

lol getting out of the SFS is way easier. 40 mins scrum for the train back to the city from Olympic after Origin and GF.

For you. Because you catch the train back to the city. Which is why you want the SFS to be improved so it can benefit you and your team.
For people who you know. DONT, ANZ is superior in every way.
ANZ not only has the benefit of having direct trains in two directions and a specific train station for the ground, something the SFS will never EVER have..
It also has the special event buses which offers direct buses to 10 different areas of Sydney.
Due to moore parks location and its surroundings. It can never offer this. Ever.
You have the choice of Central, or continuing on Anzac parade with the light rail when that opens which will make your BS claim of 40 mins on the train pale in comparison.