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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

colly

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The Feds give the privately owned coal industry $1.8bill a year to sell something that is fcking the planet up. Now thats a rort!
You are full of shit. Show me the 1.8 billion giveaway, itemize it. I can look out my front window and see coal ships lined up for days waiting for a berth. This 'my friend' pays Australia's way and always has since the first fleet.
 

8Ball

First Grade
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Moslty agree, but 20k is too small.

Needs some room for the tenants to grow. A replica of WSS would be perfect.

Agreed in theory, but you just know that if 30k was brought up, the powerbrokers would wrangle its way to 40k plus unnecessary shit like the carpark. Give them a 20k option and the "safety concerns" would magically disappear with the current ground
 

taipan

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The Feds give the privately owned coal industry $1.8bill a year to sell something that is fcking the planet up. Now thats a rort!

Um, we have had volcanos going off their craters throwing out all sorts of gases.The greenies have been very silent on the effect this has on global warming, and believe me it has a sh*tload of an effect.
 

Perth Red

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Not to mention all that tax payers money paid to overseas privately owned car factories. I’m sensing a pattern emerging in this argument lol.
 

Perth Red

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Um, we have had volcanos going off their craters throwing out all sorts of gases.The greenies have been very silent on the effect this has on global warming, and believe me it has a sh*tload of an effect.

Did the Govt fund them?
 

LeagueXIII

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RL in Sydney doesn't need central stadiums, people stay in their local area so ever club needs a 20-25,000 boutique stadium for this game to grow. Stuff spending it on ANZ just use it on the clubs I mentioned.

RL has been deprived for decades compared to what AFL has been given, let's get our clubs upto scratch and we will get those 20,000 average crowds we want.
 

Vee

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Um, we have had volcanos going off their craters throwing out all sorts of gases.The greenies have been very silent on the effect this has on global warming, and believe me it has a sh*tload of an effect.
I don't believe you.
 

Timbo

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RL in Sydney doesn't need central stadiums, people stay in their local area so ever club needs a 20-25,000 boutique stadium for this game to grow. Stuff spending it on ANZ just use it on the clubs I mentioned.

RL has been deprived for decades compared to what AFL has been given, let's get our clubs upto scratch and we will get those 20,000 average crowds we want.

Again, no. They are single use stadiums and who is going to pay to maintain them?

‘People don’t like driving half an hour down the road’ is not a good enough reason to not fix Sydney’s sporting infrastructure properly.
 
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Agreed in theory, but you just know that if 30k was brought up, the powerbrokers would wrangle its way to 40k plus unnecessary shit like the carpark. Give them a 20k option and the "safety concerns" would magically disappear with the current ground

The current ground needs major work, it’s not just a matter of the safety concerns.

There’s little undercover seating

Few female toilets

No female change rooms

Corporate seating is in the wrong position

The stadium was designed in 1984, Completely different era, pre full time professional sport in Australia.

The $730m rebuild though is totally absurd, could easily be done for $400m @ 30k seats. I mean if they’re going to do $730m you’d at least think they’d put a retractable roof on it so they can host indoor events.
 
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RL in Sydney doesn't need central stadiums, people stay in their local area so ever club needs a 20-25,000 boutique stadium for this game to grow. Stuff spending it on ANZ just use it on the clubs I mentioned.

RL has been deprived for decades compared to what AFL has been given, let's get our clubs upto scratch and we will get those 20,000 average crowds we want.

There are 5 teams that use the central stadiums, but for 3 of them those grounds are local anyway. If Souths moved back to Allianz 4 of the 5 would be local.
 

Quidgybo

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Um, we have had volcanos going off their craters throwing out all sorts of gases.The greenies have been very silent on the effect this has on global warming, and believe me it has a sh*tload of an effect.
So what if it does? Why should the “greenies” have to say a word about it? It’s not man generated and it’s almost certainly not something we can bring under control with modern technology. It’s the luck of the draw that nature hands us and we just have to cop it. As such there is really no point in worrying about it or expecting comment on it. But that’s not true of man made climate change. On that count we can’t blame nature or say it’s not within our control. And as the famous League coaching maxim goes - you should worry about the things you can control, not the things you can’t.

We have the technology, or at least the current scientific knowledge to develop the technology, to power our global civilisation without pumping high levels of gases into the atmosphere that we know add to climate change. But because it might be financially less convenient to switch technological horses, we have this so called “sceptic” rearguard action frantically fighting reality as long as possible to preserve the status quo. That is the literal inconvenient truth that the movie took its title from. It’s going to be mega expensive and not nearly as financially profitable to change our ways than to just keep going and to just keep cashing in.

But here’s the situation. Essentially we’re shitting in our own lounge rooms because it’s too much effort to walk out to the toilet. We can either stop adding to the shit now and try and minimise the consequences of the pile of shit we’ve already got in our lounge room or we can continue ignoring it until we’re faced with the global atmospheric equivalent of cholera. It’s going to take a lot of effort and a lot of sacrificed wealth to deal with this situation but in the long run it’ll cost our civilisation a whole shitload less (pun intended) than delaying until it really does reach the equivalent of global atmospheric cholera. At that point it won’t be a financial question, it’ll be an existential one.

Leigh.
 

TheRam

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So what if it does? Why should the “greenies” have to say a word about it? It’s not man generated and it’s almost certainly not something we can bring under control with modern technology. It’s the luck of the draw that nature hands us and we just have to cop it. As such there is really no point in worrying about it or expecting comment on it. But that’s not true of man made climate change. On that count we can’t blame nature or say it’s not within our control. And as the famous League coaching maxim goes - you should worry about the things you can control, not the things you can’t.

We have the technology, or at least the current scientific knowledge to develop the technology, to power our global civilisation without pumping high levels of gases into the atmosphere that we know add to climate change. But because it might be financially less convenient to switch technological horses, we have this so called “sceptic” rearguard action frantically fighting reality as long as possible to preserve the status quo. That is the literal inconvenient truth that the movie took its title from. It’s going to be mega expensive and not nearly as financially profitable to change our ways than to just keep going and to just keep cashing in.

But here’s the situation. Essentially we’re shitting in our own lounge rooms because it’s too much effort to walk out to the toilet. We can either stop adding to the shit now and try and minimise the consequences of the pile of shit we’ve already got in our lounge room or we can continue ignoring it until we’re faced with the global atmospheric equivalent of cholera. It’s going to take a lot of effort and a lot of sacrificed wealth to deal with this situation but in the long run it’ll cost our civilisation a whole shitload less (pun intended) than delaying until it really does reach the equivalent of global atmospheric cholera. At that point it won’t be a financial question, it’ll be an existential one.

Leigh.

The literal reality is that "Blood and Gore" are the first made billionaires from trading on carbon trading. Go figure, who would have thunk it?
 

big hit!

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It looks fantastic. But, Tottenham also spent AUD$223 Million on player wages last year.

Illustrates why English football sides can build these things and we need to band together with other clubs and codes and ask the government very nicely for money for a new ground.

they also play 19 home League matches, a few FA cup ties, a few League Cup ties, several European comp games, etc. upwards of 30 matches a season where the ground will be at capacity. it's viable.

a bit different from 10 games a year here, when you account for clubs taking games to regional areas. Add to that the shit scheduling which only incentives folks to stay home and boost ratings for broadcast rights value.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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RL in Sydney doesn't need central stadiums, people stay in their local area so ever club needs a 20-25,000 boutique stadium for this game to grow. Stuff spending it on ANZ just use it on the clubs I mentioned.

RL has been deprived for decades compared to what AFL has been given, let's get our clubs upto scratch and we will get those 20,000 average crowds we want.

Dreaming....
 

franklin2323

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...per-events-at-moore-park-20180611-p4zkt9.html

Stadiums business cases: second best at ANZ and bumper events at Moore Park


The state government’s planned $810 million refurbishment of ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park would deliver fewer “blockbuster” events than a completely new stadium and would not result in the same increase in fan attendance, the government’s business case for the project says.

And the business case for a new stadium at Moore Park assumes that it draws more NRL fixtures from suburban grounds in Sydney.

The Berejiklian government was last week forced to release the full business cases for its controversial scheme of building a new 40-45,000 seat stadium at Moore Park for $730 million and refurbishing ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park into a permanently rectangular 70,000 seat stadium for $810 million.

That policy, however, represented a back-down on Premier Gladys Berejiklian’s prior position of wanting to build a completely new stadium to replace ANZ at Olympic Park, at a cost of $1.3 billion.

The business case for the project shows why the government first wanted to build a new stadium, committing to a smaller rebuild after public outcry about the cost of its overall policy.

According to the business case prepared by KPMG, a redeveloped ANZ Stadium would not meet the requirements of the Australian Rugby League Commission agreed in a memorandum of understanding with the NSW government, which meant there will be a “decrease in both the number and frequency” of blockbuster events hosted at ANZ Stadium. For instance, KPMG assumed one in every three NRL grand finals would be sold interstate.

The NRL has since committed to playing the grand final in Sydney for the next 25 years, while a subsequent internal government review found the assumption that Sydney would lose major events if it only redeveloped ANZ was too conservative.
Nevertheless KPMG assumed that redeveloping ANZ – as the government proposes to do – would likely lead to only a 10 per cent average increase in attendance. In contrast, building a completely new stadium would likely have led to a 15 per cent increase in attendance.

The assumptions about attendance increases came despite attendance at sporting events declining in recent years.

The business case for a new Moore Park stadium also assumes an average 15 per cent increase in attendance. And it relies on an assumed increase in the number of international and domestic fixtures.

For instance, the business case assumes that a new Moore Park stadium will deliver two extra major concerts a year, two “other events” a year such as US college football, one extra international soccer fixture a year and another international rugby league fixture.
The document also assumes that, if the existing Allianz Stadium was not overhauled, NRL clubs would have played at least three fewer fixtures a year there – or only 10 a year. In contrast, building a new stadium will result in at least 16 NRL games a year played at a new Moore Park stadium, the document assumes, rising from the current 13.

Labor’s sports spokeswoman, Lynda Voltz, criticised the assumptions for under-estimating the number of games currently played at the stadium, which made the case for a new stadium look better.

“For Allianz Stadium the government appears to have taken every care presenting the best possible case to ensure the Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust gets a new stadium,” Ms Voltz said.

The government’s chosen option of a refurbished ANZ Stadium does not allow for a retractable roof to be fitted. This means Sydney will remain without a major stadium with a retractable roof; the roof at Etihad Stadium in Melbourne helped that city win the rights to host the US men’s basketball team in two fixtures against the Boomers next year.

The Sports Minister, Stuart Ayres, said: "The transformation of Stadium Australia will bring 46,000 fans closer to the action, provide roof cover for every seat and keep the NRL Grand Final in Sydney for the next 25 years."

That just shows the pull and lies of the SCG trust. Why would concerts and major events now at ANZ go to the smaller Allianz? :joy::joy:
 

unforgiven

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That just shows the pull and lies of the SCG trust. Why would concerts and major events now at ANZ go to the smaller Allianz? :joy::joy:

The SFS does currently hold a few concerts per year. I think with the rebuild it would probably hold a few more that would have expected crowds of around the capacity of the ground.
 

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