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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

TheFrog

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I doubt that. You have 3 permanent tenants of this stadium, that’s a lot of pressure from the public. They’ll move ahead with something fairly quickly.
I was being mischievous, he might not even win, but by golly hasn't he got them hopping like wild pigs with buckshot in their bum.
 

Quidgybo

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Sure but I still don’t see many people getting upset over losing the grand final.

Besides, the future govt could still bid for the grand final and it would cost a lot less than a stadium.
Maybe. Depends on how the NRL play the situation in the aftermath of a broken commitment. They could block NSW from bidding for the GF entirely until certain stadium commitments are delivered. Five years worth of GFs allocated between the other capitals but deliberately excluding Sydney would get a hell of a lot attention for the government of the day.

Leigh
 

Diesel

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What was the NRL’s stance on the GF staying in Sydney? Was it both stadiums needed to be rebuilt or was it JUST ANZ that needed to be rebuilt/redesigned?
 
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Maybe. Depends on how the NRL play the situation in the aftermath of a broken commitment. They could block NSW from bidding for the GF entirely until certain stadium commitments are delivered. Five years worth of GFs allocated between the other capitals but deliberately excluding Sydney would get a hell of a lot attention for the government of the day.

Leigh

It’d get attention, but it’d also get the NRL a lower price.
 
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What was the NRL’s stance on the GF staying in Sydney? Was it both stadiums needed to be rebuilt or was it JUST ANZ that needed to be rebuilt/redesigned?

The whole package. They agreed in the end to a modification to ANZ instead of the rebuild, but I’m sure they’d break the deal if the modification isn’t done.
 

Diesel

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The whole package. They agreed in the end to a modification to ANZ instead of the rebuild, but I’m sure they’d break the deal if the modification isn’t done.
With a numpty like Greenberg incharge, he will talk tough but it wouldn’t surprise me to see the GF stay in Sydney with ANZ staying as is
 

greenBV4

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They could block NSW from bidding for the GF entirely until certain stadium commitments are delivered.
I don't see them being that harsh

If the GF were to go to a bid though I think Sydney would find it hard getting it back as often as they would like, the Vic Gov has made it clear that they are willing to throw money at sporting events to cement the state as the country's sports capital, NSW might find it hard to beat these bids. Adelaide and Perth also seem keen on attracting events. And of course Brisbane would get it's fair share.
 

beave

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https://www.townsvillebulletin.com....b/news-story/0a5907b45e53b08b239b84131a1e35a3

North Queensland Cowboys reveal plans for high performance facility that’s set to revolutionise the club


THE North Queensland Cowboys have unveiled their vision for a world-class high performance facility that will ensure the club remains a force in the NRL for the next 50 years.

Club representatives drew inspiration for the proposed $50 million project after visiting established high performance centres from around the country and the USA.

The ‘Community, Training and High Performance Centre’ will be built next to the new North Queensland stadium and will incorporate a full-sized training field, community areas, multi-sport high-performance training spaces, sports medicine and sports science laboratories, as well as Stadium and administration offices.

Once built, the facilities could attract touring teams and other elite athletes looking for state-of-the art sport science and training facilities.

The project has the backing of club legend Johnathan Thurston, who famously used his post-match speech at the 2015 Grand Final golden-point win over the Brisbane Broncos to push for the new stadium.


“The long-term plan for the stadium precinct … shows the commitment our club and city leaders have to our community’s future,” the retired playmaker said.

“The new centre will put us on the map as an elite training destination and will play a huge role in ensuring the Cowboys continue as a powerful force in the national competition.”

The Brisbane Broncos and Gold Coast Titans have built similar multimillion-dollar facilities which opened in 2018 and 2016 respectively.

The Cowboys are hoping to secure funding support from Labor and the LNP as part of Townsville Enterprise’s federal election priorities submission, with the balance to be sourced through club resources, corporate, community and philanthropic means.

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Cowboys chairman Laurence Lancini said the new facilities were “essential” for the club to “be a force in the NRL for the next 50 years”.

“The NRL is an elite and highly-competitive sport, and clubs are continuously building their levels of professionalism through investment, research and resourcing,” he said.

“We’re seeing many NRL clubs investing in high performance centres that can give their athletes the best possible advantage, and we need to prioritise accordingly to ensure our great club’s growth and sustainability.

“This facility will give us the opportunity to reunite our home base with our new home ground — even with fast-tracking — there would be a period of time where our facilities would be split and we want to minimise this.

“We’re hopeful of securing a funding commitment in the near future to continue to progress our planning for what is an essential investment in our club’s future.”

Cowboys CEO Jeff Reibel said the new centre would not only support the Cowboys’ training and performance needs but would also provide other North Queensland athletes and sporting teams with access to first-class facilities.

He said there was also opportunity for Townsville and North Queensland to provide a destination market for touring sporting teams looking for cutting-edge facilities closer to Papua New Guinea and Asia than are currently available.

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“We will also be able to expand our important work in improving social and education outcomes for North Queenslanders through our club and Cowboys Community Foundation programs, with access to a larger, centrally-located operations hub and meeting space,” he said.

“We want to ensure that we remain a cornerstone of the regional community and economy and our new facilities will be the foundation on which we’ll create our club’s long-term vision.”

James Cook University is set to partner with the club on the project, as well as the Mater Hospital.

JCU’s Sport and Exercise Science associate professor Fiona Barnett said the university had a longstanding partnership with the Cowboys particularly in high performance and elite sports research.

“These proposed facilities will provide the region with access to world-class sports and exercise science facilities and expertise, which will entice other professional sports teams and elite athletes to Townsville,” she said

Townsville Mayor Jenny Hill called the facility the “missing piece in the city’s sporting infrastructure”.

“The Cowboys are well known for their exploits on the field and for their athletic supremacy, so it makes sense for other teams to visit and train in our city to emulate the Cowboys and to benefit from the tropical training phenomenon in a first class facility.”

Townsville Enterprise CEO, Patricia O’Callaghan said the collaboration between major local institutions would deliver local jobs and economic benefits to the region.

“This project is testament to the opportunities the new North Queensland Stadium can generate and the further private sector investment that catalytic infrastructure in the Townsville CBD can provide,” she said.
 

beave

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partnering up with the local Uni and private hospital might get this over the line. $50mil is a lot of coin though, but if it’s good enough for the other 2 qld based NRL teams to get similar funding for their CoE, I don’t see why we shouldn’t as well.
 

Timbo

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partnering up with the local Uni and private hospital might get this over the line. $50mil is a lot of coin though, but if it’s good enough for the other 2 qld based NRL teams to get similar funding for their CoE, I don’t see why we shouldn’t as well.

It's a lot of money for sure. Ours that was approved last year is costing $19 million and it was a three-way partnership between Raiders Group along with both the NSW and ACT Governments.
 
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Nice opinion piece on the ABC news website -

Sydney stadium debate more to do with politics than sport as NSW election approaches
By Offsiders columnist Richard Hinds
Posted about 3 hours ago Fri 8 Mar 2019, 5:58am

This says something about the vexed relationship between the powerful financial, political and media coteries who rule Sydney sport and those who love it. You can decide just what.

The NSW Government is set to tear down the still functional but outdated Sydney Football Stadium and — if re-elected on March 23 — replace it with a shiny new $730 million venue.

Thus, notionally, spectators would watch NRL, Super Rugby and A-League matches in the kind of comfort taken for granted by ticketholders in other major Australian cities.

Yet rather than basking in pre-electoral glory, the decision to build the new stadium is considered so unpopular by political analysts that Premier Gladys Berejiklian might as well put a nuclear power plant next to a kindergarten.

How, those in Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth will ask from their comfy grandstand seats has building a new stadium near the centre of a city with more professional football teams than any in the world become the unpopular option?

Partly it is because the Sydney stadium debate is less about actual stadiums — and the poor ticket-buying slobs who would occupy them — than it about the city's most popular spectator sport, blood politics.

This was never more obvious than during the on-air exchange between radio host, SCG Trust member and multi-sport heavyweight Alan Jones and state Opposition Leader Michael Daley, during which Mr Daley promised to sack Jones and other SCG Trust members if elected.

You could have filled a new stadium for this compelling piece of political theatre with Mr Daley taking the role of people's champion against the big-end-of-town toffs, who were building another palace at taxpayer's expense next door to their lavishly renovated SCG.

Jones — unsurprisingly — returned serve the next day by sooling two NSW Government ministers on to Mr Daley, who was cast as a "liar" for his assertions that the Sydney Football Stadium was being demolished by stealth.

Thus, as often seems the case with Sydney sports administration, the stadium debate seemed to have less to do with the stadiums themselves, and those who would actually pay to get in, than it did about ego, politics and power.

Lost somewhere amid the chest-beating and political point scoring was the essential question — does Sydney need new stadiums and can it afford them?

In this regard, the greatest furphy is that Sydney Football Stadium is "just fine" and "only needs a lick of paint". Anyone who has experienced the comfort of stadiums elsewhere would be willing to personally swing the wrecking ball in Moore Park.

As for the cost of Sydney's sporting rebuild — a total $1.8 billion when you add the new $300 million Western Sydney Stadium (formerly Parramatta Stadium) and the promised $800 million renovation of Sydney's Olympic stadium?

To some this expenditure is a mere 2 per cent of the state's infrastructure budget. To others it is a whopping 2 per cent of the state's infrastructure budget.

Either way, the "whataboutism" of the ALP's "schools and hospitals over stadiums" slogan is wilfully disingenuous in asserting you can only have one thing or the other.

Redevelopment opponents can point to poor crowds
Which brings us to the genuine justification for not building top quality sports stadiums in Sydney — a lack of compelling demand.

As a long-term proponent of improving Sydney's sports stadiums, I had one supposition: local competitions and clubs would significantly upgrade membership models, increase crowds and mount an irresistible case for better venues.

This case would not be predicated on occasional "major events" and their one-off economic sugar hit, but on the week-to-week demand of fans as is the case in other Australian cities.

As galling as it would be to cricket lovers, the MCG might rightly be renamed the Melbourne Footy Stadium given the AFL's enormous weekly crowds fund the regular facelifts enjoyed by the crowds at the Boxing Day Test.

Yet rather than marshalling their numbers over the past 15 years, crowds for NRL matches, the Waratahs and the A-League have mostly flat-lined or dropped.

Blame maladministration — the NRL's perennial crisis mode, Rugby Australia's lack of growth and imagination, Football Federation Australia's botched World Cup bid that sapped the life from the A-League.

Blame the clubs — failure to actively engage and consolidate membership bases.

Blame the current substandard stadiums — the argument used by the stadium advocates who insists that "if we build it they will come".

On this final point, the first NRL fixture at the new Western Sydney Stadium on Easter Monday (April 22) might have proven a game changer in the Sydney stadium debate.

The original Parramatta Stadium, opened in 1986, was considered by many of those now opposed to the Sydney Football Stadium demolition to be "fine" and "just needing a lick of paint".

But if the new stadium provides the comfortable, intimate and engaging "fan experience" that has been promised, it might convince some doubters that a first-class venue can be almost as vital in attracting crowds as what takes place inside.

Of course, the Western Sydney Stadium will not open until after the state election.

By then the Sydney Football Stadium will probably be rubble, the newly installed NSW Government will either replace it or, if the ALP prevails, demand the newly established SCG Trust takes out a loan to do so.

Regardless, necessary goodwill for the project from fans will have been lost amid the self-interested infighting between Sydney's financial, political and media classes.

Meanwhile fans elsewhere will shrug and wonder: Why can't Sydney have nice sports things?
 

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