The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Dogs Of War]

Dragons tried this at Wollongong and could only get it done by playing a few games early in the season there and then playing 12-18 months straight at Kograh while the build was going on. The west side at all grounds is the broadcast side so you would have to do something to the other side to allow cameras etc to be placed there. Plus there's heaps of corporates on that west side too so having to move them elsewhere would be a challenge.

And the changerooms as well......

Its better than nothing. It's not like they can't play out of the brand spanking new stadium in Parra during that period.

 

[Bukowski]

Dragons tried this at Wollongong and could only get it done by playing a few games early in the season there and then playing 12-18 months straight at Kograh while the build was going on. The west side at all grounds is the broadcast side so you would have to do something to the other side to allow cameras etc to be placed there. Plus there's heaps of corporates on that west side too so having to move them elsewhere would be a challenge.

And the changerooms as well......

Newcastle did it that way from memory. But yeah, just play out if parra for a season or two.

 

[Eion]

As Minns has made this all about dollars and cents in not upgrading facilities I hope PVL does the same and pisses off the Grand Final to the highest bidder.

 

[Marlins]

Playing a couple of years in parra will kill all the good Will & momentum the Penrith people have atm. Not too mention their crowds will no doubtably halve. Imagine a Thursday night game against an out of state team. Right now when you watch Penrith their home crowds look fantastic and it no doubt encourages those who watch it on tv too come to the ground next match. Playing in front of no body for two seasons isn’t worth getting the refurb/lipstick to begin with.
Penrith are in a situation where they either get the new 300m ground at paceway or nothing but minor upgrades until there are funds available for new stadiums.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm sure panthers fans can survive 2 seasons at commbank. If it gives the club a superb stadium for the next 50 years then its well worth a couple of years of pain.
Could be worse, could be like the sharks, lock the fans out and still have a sht stadium at the end of it!

 

[Timbo]

As Minns has made this all about dollars and cents in not upgrading facilities I hope PVL does the same and pisses off the Grand Final to the highest bidder.

I think the voters in a lot of these electorates made their priorities clear - they want the money that was earmarked for stadiums to go to schools and hospitals.

If he still commits $300 million to stadium infrastructure in Sydney, that will mean the NSW Government has since 2016 spent $1.6 billion on stadiums in Sydney alone all of which have NRL clubs as their primary tenant.

V'landys can't exactly argue the code is being neglected at that point.

 

[Wb1234]

Labor has said they will contribute 300 million it pays for most of a new stadium

if not the paceway I’m sure council has other open space which can be used for a stadium and build a park on the current panthers stadium

the federal govt and even panthers itself can top up the rest

it’s got to be done right the first time the stadium will last for 40 years

 

[Perth Red]

I think the voters in a lot of these electorates made their priorities clear - they want the money that was earmarked for stadiums to go to schools and hospitals.

If he still commits $300 million to stadium infrastructure in Sydney, that will mean the NSW Government has since 2016 spent $1.6 billion on stadiums in Sydney alone all of which have NRL clubs as their primary tenant.

V'landys can't exactly argue the code is being neglected at that point.

The interesting thing in that is the GF expectation. The NSW govt could argue that having spent $1.6bill (if Penrith happens) plus tens of millions in CofE's for RL that they have earnt the right to maintain hosting it.
Vlandys will argue that any future hosting rights is dependent on them getting more.
I dont think NRL will paint itself well in that argument with the NSW public who have sided with Govt that money is better spent elsewhere.
I mean NSW govt has delivered two state of the art stadiums (three if Penrith happens) for the sport that realistically 6 (7) of the 9 NRL clubs COULD be playing out of. That they are choosing not to is hardly the fault of the Govt.

 

[Wb1234]

The interesting thing in that is the GF expectation. The NSW govt could argue that having spent $1.6bill (if Penrith happens) plus tens of millions in CofE's for RL that they have earnt the right to maintain hosting it.
Vlandys will argue that any future hosting rights is dependent on them getting more.
I dont think NRL will paint itself well in that argument with the NSW public who have sided with Govt that money is better spent elsewhere.
I mean NSW govt has delivered two state of the art stadiums (three if Penrith happens) for the sport that realistically 6 (7) of the 9 NRL clubs COULD be playing out of. That they are choosing not to is hardly the fault of the Govt.

What the liberal govt spent is irrelevant

this govt ran on an anti stadium policy

they don’t get the benefits of morality for what Gladys did

they are only doing Penrith for the votes they wanted in the area

 

[Perth Red]

What the liberal govt spent is irrelevant

this govt ran on an anti stadium policy

they don’t get the benefits of morality for what Gladys did

they are only doing Penrith for the votes they wanted in the area

You dont think they'll bring up the two new stadium investment in any counter argument to vlandys demands?

Origin is a good tourism sporting event but a GF is much bigger as many more fans will travel for it from interstate. Slap a $10-$15mill min Govt spend plus some activity stuff in the week in the hosting city to create that superbowl vibe and its a good outcome for the game. Start with an Offer to NSW to keep for $10mill a year for a guaranteed ten year period. Still a good outcome for the game. Cant really lose on this one if Vlandys negotiates it well (alarm bells ring lol)

Other option is to try and set up a deal like MArvel stadium, paid for by mix of private. state and NRL investment, with NRL eventually taking over ownership for a set price. Only issue with that is you need to get 2-3 clubs as long term tenants to make it a worthwhile ROI.

 

[Wb1234]

You dont think they'll bring up the two new stadium investment in any counter argument to vlandys demands?

Origin is a good tourism sporting event but a GF is much bigger as many more fans will travel for it from interstate. Slap a $10-$15mill min Govt spend plus some activity stuff in the week in the hosting city to create that superbowl vibe and its a good outcome for the game. Start with an Offer to NSW to keep for $10mill a year for a guaranteed ten year period. Still a good outcome for the game. Cant really lose on this one if Vlandys negotiates it well (alarm bells ring lol)

Other option is to try and set up a deal like MArvel stadium, paid for by mix of private. state and NRL investment, with NRL eventually taking over ownership for a set price. Only issue with that is you need to get 2-3 clubs as long term tenants to make it a worthwhile ROI.

Don’t care what labor argues it’s not relevant

just pay 15 million a year to keep it that’s fine. I can see it going up over time too

I actually like the idea of grand finals going away from Sydney it’s been great for origins

other states might do it differently and improve on it eg grand final parade etc

 

[flippikat]

You dont think they'll bring up the two new stadium investment in any counter argument to vlandys demands?

Origin is a good tourism sporting event but a GF is much bigger as many more fans will travel for it from interstate. Slap a $10-$15mill min Govt spend plus some activity stuff in the week in the hosting city to create that superbowl vibe and its a good outcome for the game. Start with an Offer to NSW to keep for $10mill a year for a guaranteed ten year period. Still a good outcome for the game. Cant really lose on this one if Vlandys negotiates it well (alarm bells ring lol)

Other option is to try and set up a deal like MArvel stadium, paid for by mix of private. state and NRL investment, with NRL eventually taking over ownership for a set price. Only issue with that is you need to get 2-3 clubs as long term tenants to make it a worthwhile ROI.

With Souths quite possibly going back to the SFS/Allianz, the only options for this are if it was built somewhere in the South-west & housed the Bulldogs, Tigers & MacArthur FC - BUT if that happens we then risk the Olympic stadium becoming a complete white elephant.

 

[Perth Red]

With Souths quite possibly going back to the SFS/Allianz, the only options for this are if it was built somewhere in the South-west & housed the Bulldogs, Tigers & MacArthur FC - BUT if that happens we then risk the Olympic stadium becoming a complete white elephant.

yeh, the only other option for a shared stadium would be a southern one hosting Dragons, Sharks and a Southern new A league club. But doubt those clubs would entertain it. They seem happy in their run down venues in front of 11k people.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

With Souths quite possibly going back to the SFS/Allianz, the only options for this are if it was built somewhere in the South-west & housed the Bulldogs, Tigers & MacArthur FC - BUT if that happens we then risk the Olympic stadium becoming a complete white elephant.

Which is why I don’t think they’ll let the current tenants break their contracts anytime soon. After that, they’ll be forced to make a monumental bribe to get at least one club to renew. It could also be the catalyst to finally get a proper reno/rebuild provided the existing tenants agree to stay on.

 

[Perth Red]

Which is why I don’t think they’ll let the current tenants break their contracts anytime soon. After that, they’ll be forced to make a monumental bribe to get at least one club to renew. It could also be the catalyst to finally get a proper reno/rebuild provided the existing tenants agree to stay on.

OR the NRL could actually get creative with games. Run of the mill club games at accor are as horrible as games a shtty suburban grounds.
However if a Ch9 Friday night blockbuster game was scheduled at Accor every week featuring all sydney clashes, members of both clubs get in, and members of any other club gets in for 50% normal ticket price, NRL supports with marketing and a bit of cash to participating clubs, kids get in free, make it a must do event in Sydney every Friday night with a beer village outside the stadium with bands etc etc then we could use accor every week but at least try and get something positive out of its use and maximise the fact we have an over proliferation of clubs in one city. Of course would require Ch9 to not shown the Broncos lol

 

[Captain Apollo]

Here’s an idea for Penrith. After this season ends:

1: knock down the stand on the western side of the ground. Build 10k capacity covered 2 tier stand to replace it. Build 3K capacity terracing around southern end.

play 2024 season

Repeat previous off season work with Eastern and northern (family hill) sides in 04/05 off-season. End result a new 26K capacity stadium, that should be easily doable under 300M on current site.

Part of the problem is the hill ends. One of them has major sewer and power conduits just behind it, which is what inhibits any expansion of the current ground as they cannot be relocated. That is one of the principal reasons for relocating the stadium to the paceway site.

 

[flippikat]

yeh, the only other option for a shared stadium would be a southern one hosting Dragons, Sharks and a Southern new A league club. But doubt those clubs would entertain it. They seem happy in their run down venues in front of 11k people.

I think the Dragons could get on board with a shared stadium in the south.. but...

1 - The Sharks won't just walk away from Shark Park, so the Dragons would need to find a different partner club, and a mutually agreeable location (no idea what that could be)

2 - Even if the Dragons find a partner club & get a new stadium, the Dragons will still need to take some home games to Woolongong - no matter how good their new Sydney stadium is. So the stadium wouldn't be home to 2 teams in their entirety.

 

[Eion]

I think the voters in a lot of these electorates made their priorities clear - they want the money that was earmarked for stadiums to go to schools and hospitals.

If he still commits $300 million to stadium infrastructure in Sydney, that will mean the NSW Government has since 2016 spent $1.6 billion on stadiums in Sydney alone all of which have NRL clubs as their primary tenant.

V'landys can't exactly argue the code is being neglected at that point.

In a zero sum game of priorities grounds will always lose out to health and education. It’s a lazy political football (pun intended) Be nice to have a mob who can do a few things at once and invest, otherwise may as well run the shutters down on arts, sports and everything else.

Still, it’s what he said he’d do. Just think it’s a shit move.

 

[Timbo]

In a zero sum game of priorities grounds will always lose out to health and education. It’s a lazy political football (pun intended) Be nice to have a mob who can do a few things at once and invest, otherwise may as well run the shutters down on arts, sports and everything else.

Still, it’s what he said he’d do. Just think it’s a shit move.

How is $1.6 billion over half a decade on stadiums not investing in them?

Obviously schools and hospitals need to come first, but it’s not like the NSW Government has failed to invest in sport’s infrastructure.

It’s also not the government or average punters fault there are so many teams in Sydney. In most cities around the world you’d look at what Sydney has and say ‘whoa! Those resources are amazing!’.

 

[Eion]

How is $1.6 billion over half a decade on stadiums not investing in them?

Obviously schools and hospitals need to come first, but it’s not like the NSW Government has failed to invest in sport’s infrastructure.

It’s also not the government or average punters fault there are so many teams in Sydney. In most cities around the world you’d look at what Sydney has and say ‘whoa! Those resources are amazing!’.

Didn’t say the past government didn’t invest, they did. I want this one to keep investing.