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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

yakstorm

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If the new waterfront stadium gets the nod does Eden park also stay or get demolished?
That will come down to the Eden Park Trust and what they decide. Neither the new stadium or Eden Park are government owned, so the government can't 'sell it off' to fund a new venue or even force them not to compete, etc.

Where Eden Park will run into issues if they try to do anything but become more than the home of Cricket is that they still owe $54m to the Auckland Government and the vast majority of events they attract are underwritten by Auckland Government.

No surprises to see Jim Doyle on the Te Tōangaroa consortium, he was a vocal critic of the government not making the decision to invest in a waterfront stadium back in the lead up to the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
 

jim_57

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unless its in Sydney...

Even then, they made a bit of noise about Cronulla of all places, other than that I can’t remember them pushing for stadiums much at all recently. Brisbane/Queensland Olympics funding, Auckland, Canberra etc could do with some pressure from the NRL.
 

Wb1234

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Even then, they made a bit of noise about Cronulla of all places, other than that I can’t remember them pushing for stadiums much at all recently. Brisbane/Queensland Olympics funding, Auckland, Canberra etc could do with some pressure from the NRL.
Theirs the deal to keep the grand final in Sydney

They will probably count the 300 million on Penrith as part of it leaving 500 million

But the nsw govt has a hard on for building a roof at Accor so it can get the union wc final

The current deal where they’ve spent over 1.5 billion on stadiums and centres of excellence plus pay the nrl 8 to 10 million a year to keep the grand final is actually a better result lol
 

AlwaysGreen

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3 new stadiums have/are being built in NSW in under 10 years. Not bad I'd suggest. Then again I'm not trying to win the bestest rugby league fan eva!! Trophy.
 

Vee

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ABC News...unable to post link.

Economist urges AFL, Tasmanian government to be realistic about Macquarie Point stadium costs and timeframes

By Adam Holmes

An independent economist who reviewed the proposed Macquarie Point stadium in Hobart has urged the AFL to show "leniency" on Tasmania over project timelines and cost penalties.

Dr Nicholas Gruen was commissioned to look into the stadium's financial modelling. He found the cost had been significantly underestimated, that the cost-benefit had been overestimated, and the project's time frames were impossible to meet.

Independent review finds new Hobart stadium costs to 'exceed $1 billion'
Photo shows A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.
A leading independent economist tasked with reviewing Tasmania's proposal to build an AFL stadium on Hobart's waterfront finds the project is "already displaying the hallmarks of mismanagement" and is likely to exceed $1 billion.

The stadium is a condition for the Tasmania Devils men's team entering the AFL from 2028, with the stadium to be ready for the 2029 season. There are financial penalties in the contract if the deadline is not met.

The penalties include $4.5 million if the stadium construction is not 50 per cent completed by October 2027, and another $4.5 million if it is not ready to host games by 2028.

Dr Gruen said it was in the interests of both the Tasmanian government and the AFL to acknowledge the project's constraints, and potentially renegotiate aspects of the deal.

"It can't be done on time, it can't be done on budget," he said.

"We need a reset, and I'd be disappointed and almost surprised if the AFL wouldn't show some degree of leniency, given how angry I think Tasmanians are entitled to be with the way this process has gone."

The requirement for a stadium was first confirmed by former AFL boss Gillon McLachlan in June 2022, and shifted from Regatta Point to Macquarie Point after a visit to the site by the AFL.

Tasmania AFL licence press conference
Tasmania's AFL licence was announced in May 2023. A condition is a new stadium at Macquarie Point. (ABC News: Luke Bowden)

It was then inked into the final contract with the Tasmanian government, including a requirement for a transparent roof.

Dr Gruen described the deal as unbalanced.

"The AFL has got itself into this situation by making a deal with the government, as if the Australian community or the Tasmania community in particular, didn't matter," he said.

"They do matter. It's their stadium. So the AFL needs to focus on what its critical interests are."

His report suggested that a more appropriate lead-in time would be five to seven years to ensure appropriate design and community support, during which time the team could play at Bellerive Oval on Hobart's eastern shore and York Park in Launceston.

Dr Gruen said the Perth Stadium was afforded significantly more time in planning, consultation and construction, while Western Australian teams were able to play at existing venues initially.

A wide shot of the futur AFL stadium incorporating greenery and driving space
Nicholas Gruen says the cost of the Macquarie Point stadium has been significantly underestimated. (Supplied: MPDC)

Report shows flaws in deal, Lambie MP says
The report came about as part of an agreement between the government and the Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN) to assist the Liberals in forming minority government.

Two of the three JLN members have since become independents, with Lyons MP Andrew Jenner remaining in the party.

Mr Jenner said the report highlighted flaws in how the deal with the AFL was negotiated.

"If it goes forward in its format that it is now, I think Tasmanians will be paying for it for the next 10 generations," he said.

"I wonder who sat at that table? Were we even there? Or did they just do the agreement on their own, the AFL, and hand it to us?"

The stadium is currently being assessed by the Tasmanian Planning Commission as a project of state significance.

At the end of that process — potentially by mid-to-late this year — it will need to pass both houses of parliament.

Mr Jenner said he would not be voting for the stadium in its current form.

Labor went to the last state election, under former leader Rebecca White, with a promise to renegotiate the deal with the AFL.

New leader Dean Winter then changed the policy to fully supporting a stadium in Hobart, and to hold Premier Jeremy Rockliff to his promise of not spending more than $375 million of state funds on the project.

Labor sport spokesperson Luke Edmunds said on Friday he would write to the Premier to seek a briefing on some of the matters raised by Dr Gruen.

"Tasmanians want this team to be delivered, Tasmanians want to see the Devils running out.

"But when is that actually going to happen, and how much is it going to cost?" he said.

"Labor said we support a stadium, but we also said it wasn't a blank cheque."

Mr Edmunds said it was too soon to say whether the party would vote in favour of the Macquarie Point stadium when it becomes before parliament.

"We'll make decisions on the evidence that's in front of us," he said.

Even if Labor and the government voted together in support of the project, to get through, it would also require the support of at least one independent in the upper house.

Upper house members recently voted down development assessment panels and presumptive sentences for child sex offenders, despite both policies being supported by the government and Labor.

Tasmanian Greens treasury spokesperson Vica Bayley said Dr Gruen's report was unsurprising.

"It indicates what detractors of the stadium have been saying for years now," he said.

"The costs are underestimated, the benefits are overestimated. It's the wrong site and it's the wrong priority for Tasmania."

The government released the report on Friday morning, but did not make any ministers available for questions.

In releasing the report, government minister Eric Abetz wrote that the Macquarie Point project "will shape Tasmania for generations, and unlock decades of investment, jobs and opportunity".
 

Vlad59

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ABC News...unable to post link.

Economist urges AFL, Tasmanian government to be realistic about Macquarie Point stadium costs and timeframes

By Adam Holmes

An independent economist who reviewed the proposed Macquarie Point stadium in Hobart has urged the AFL to show "leniency" on Tasmania over project timelines and cost penalties.

Dr Nicholas Gruen was commissioned to look into the stadium's financial modelling. He found the cost had been significantly underestimated, that the cost-benefit had been overestimated, and the project's time frames were impossible to meet.

Independent review finds new Hobart stadium costs to 'exceed $1 billion'
Photo shows A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.
A leading independent economist tasked with reviewing Tasmania's proposal to build an AFL stadium on Hobart's waterfront finds the project is "already displaying the hallmarks of mismanagement" and is likely to exceed $1 billion.

The stadium is a condition for the Tasmania Devils men's team entering the AFL from 2028, with the stadium to be ready for the 2029 season. There are financial penalties in the contract if the deadline is not met.

The penalties include $4.5 million if the stadium construction is not 50 per cent completed by October 2027, and another $4.5 million if it is not ready to host games by 2028.

Dr Gruen said it was in the interests of both the Tasmanian government and the AFL to acknowledge the project's constraints, and potentially renegotiate aspects of the deal.

"It can't be done on time, it can't be done on budget," he said.

"We need a reset, and I'd be disappointed and almost surprised if the AFL wouldn't show some degree of leniency, given how angry I think Tasmanians are entitled to be with the way this process has gone."

The requirement for a stadium was first confirmed by former AFL boss Gillon McLachlan in June 2022, and shifted from Regatta Point to Macquarie Point after a visit to the site by the AFL.

Tasmania AFL licence press conference
Tasmania's AFL licence was announced in May 2023. A condition is a new stadium at Macquarie Point. (ABC News: Luke Bowden)

It was then inked into the final contract with the Tasmanian government, including a requirement for a transparent roof.

Dr Gruen described the deal as unbalanced.

"The AFL has got itself into this situation by making a deal with the government, as if the Australian community or the Tasmania community in particular, didn't matter," he said.

"They do matter. It's their stadium. So the AFL needs to focus on what its critical interests are."

His report suggested that a more appropriate lead-in time would be five to seven years to ensure appropriate design and community support, during which time the team could play at Bellerive Oval on Hobart's eastern shore and York Park in Launceston.

Dr Gruen said the Perth Stadium was afforded significantly more time in planning, consultation and construction, while Western Australian teams were able to play at existing venues initially.

A wide shot of the futur AFL stadium incorporating greenery and driving space
Nicholas Gruen says the cost of the Macquarie Point stadium has been significantly underestimated. (Supplied: MPDC)

Report shows flaws in deal, Lambie MP says
The report came about as part of an agreement between the government and the Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN) to assist the Liberals in forming minority government.

Two of the three JLN members have since become independents, with Lyons MP Andrew Jenner remaining in the party.

Mr Jenner said the report highlighted flaws in how the deal with the AFL was negotiated.

"If it goes forward in its format that it is now, I think Tasmanians will be paying for it for the next 10 generations," he said.

"I wonder who sat at that table? Were we even there? Or did they just do the agreement on their own, the AFL, and hand it to us?"

The stadium is currently being assessed by the Tasmanian Planning Commission as a project of state significance.

At the end of that process — potentially by mid-to-late this year — it will need to pass both houses of parliament.

Mr Jenner said he would not be voting for the stadium in its current form.

Labor went to the last state election, under former leader Rebecca White, with a promise to renegotiate the deal with the AFL.

New leader Dean Winter then changed the policy to fully supporting a stadium in Hobart, and to hold Premier Jeremy Rockliff to his promise of not spending more than $375 million of state funds on the project.

Labor sport spokesperson Luke Edmunds said on Friday he would write to the Premier to seek a briefing on some of the matters raised by Dr Gruen.

"Tasmanians want this team to be delivered, Tasmanians want to see the Devils running out.

"But when is that actually going to happen, and how much is it going to cost?" he said.

"Labor said we support a stadium, but we also said it wasn't a blank cheque."

Mr Edmunds said it was too soon to say whether the party would vote in favour of the Macquarie Point stadium when it becomes before parliament.

"We'll make decisions on the evidence that's in front of us," he said.

Even if Labor and the government voted together in support of the project, to get through, it would also require the support of at least one independent in the upper house.

Upper house members recently voted down development assessment panels and presumptive sentences for child sex offenders, despite both policies being supported by the government and Labor.

Tasmanian Greens treasury spokesperson Vica Bayley said Dr Gruen's report was unsurprising.

"It indicates what detractors of the stadium have been saying for years now," he said.

"The costs are underestimated, the benefits are overestimated. It's the wrong site and it's the wrong priority for Tasmania."

The government released the report on Friday morning, but did not make any ministers available for questions.

In releasing the report, government minister Eric Abetz wrote that the Macquarie Point project "will shape Tasmania for generations, and unlock decades of investment, jobs and opportunity".
Pretty much what I’ve been saying for months. It makes no difference. The government refuses to listen.

 

yakstorm

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They’ve touted it as a stadium for nrl usage as part of the big sell. Claimed they’d bring an origin match to Hobart. I’m not joking.
If the stadium does get built, no doubt they'll bid for NRL games, just like the renovated Adelaide Oval & new Perth Oval.

Clubs & the NRL would be silly not to consider it for club matches (the venue would never be considered for Origin).
 

flippikat

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If the stadium does get built, no doubt they'll bid for NRL games, just like the renovated Adelaide Oval & new Perth Oval.

Clubs & the NRL would be silly not to consider it for club matches (the venue would never be considered for Origin).
Makes sense - after all.. with that much money sunk into it, you'd think the Tasmanian Government would want maximum use out of it - and the AFL team can only occupy a day every 2nd weekend over the AFL season.

Sure it won't be optimal for rectangular field sports, but that won't stop them fishing for content to help fill out the calendar... and it'll be interesting to see if that means A-league & NRL games there - especially if the turnout for those games pushes a case for a rectangular stadium in the future.
 

Yosemite Sam

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Reports confirming the 2027 Rugby World Cup final will be held at Stadium Australia (as expected) , which will also host both semi finals and the 3rd place match.

Suncorp Stadium has been deemed too small to even host a semi. If that doesn't scream upgrade to the Qld government I don't know what will.

Perth is tipped to host the opening match. With Townsville Adelaide and Newcastle all hosting Pool games. Victoria has been snubbed completely. With zero matches for the whole tournament. f**king lol.

It will be interesting to see if any work is done to Newcastle before the tournament. Hopefully filling in the ends to get capacity back above 35k.
 

Jamberoo

Juniors
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ABC News...unable to post link.

Economist urges AFL, Tasmanian government to be realistic about Macquarie Point stadium costs and timeframes

By Adam Holmes

An independent economist who reviewed the proposed Macquarie Point stadium in Hobart has urged the AFL to show "leniency" on Tasmania over project timelines and cost penalties.

Dr Nicholas Gruen was commissioned to look into the stadium's financial modelling. He found the cost had been significantly underestimated, that the cost-benefit had been overestimated, and the project's time frames were impossible to meet.

Independent review finds new Hobart stadium costs to 'exceed $1 billion'
Photo shows A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.A concept image of the proposed Hobart stadium at Macquarie Poi nt.
A leading independent economist tasked with reviewing Tasmania's proposal to build an AFL stadium on Hobart's waterfront finds the project is "already displaying the hallmarks of mismanagement" and is likely to exceed $1 billion.

The stadium is a condition for the Tasmania Devils men's team entering the AFL from 2028, with the stadium to be ready for the 2029 season. There are financial penalties in the contract if the deadline is not met.

The penalties include $4.5 million if the stadium construction is not 50 per cent completed by October 2027, and another $4.5 million if it is not ready to host games by 2028.

Dr Gruen said it was in the interests of both the Tasmanian government and the AFL to acknowledge the project's constraints, and potentially renegotiate aspects of the deal.

"It can't be done on time, it can't be done on budget," he said.

"We need a reset, and I'd be disappointed and almost surprised if the AFL wouldn't show some degree of leniency, given how angry I think Tasmanians are entitled to be with the way this process has gone."

The requirement for a stadium was first confirmed by former AFL boss Gillon McLachlan in June 2022, and shifted from Regatta Point to Macquarie Point after a visit to the site by the AFL.

Tasmania AFL licence press conference
Tasmania's AFL licence was announced in May 2023. A condition is a new stadium at Macquarie Point. (ABC News: Luke Bowden)

It was then inked into the final contract with the Tasmanian government, including a requirement for a transparent roof.

Dr Gruen described the deal as unbalanced.

"The AFL has got itself into this situation by making a deal with the government, as if the Australian community or the Tasmania community in particular, didn't matter," he said.

"They do matter. It's their stadium. So the AFL needs to focus on what its critical interests are."

His report suggested that a more appropriate lead-in time would be five to seven years to ensure appropriate design and community support, during which time the team could play at Bellerive Oval on Hobart's eastern shore and York Park in Launceston.

Dr Gruen said the Perth Stadium was afforded significantly more time in planning, consultation and construction, while Western Australian teams were able to play at existing venues initially.

A wide shot of the futur AFL stadium incorporating greenery and driving space
Nicholas Gruen says the cost of the Macquarie Point stadium has been significantly underestimated. (Supplied: MPDC)

Report shows flaws in deal, Lambie MP says
The report came about as part of an agreement between the government and the Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN) to assist the Liberals in forming minority government.

Two of the three JLN members have since become independents, with Lyons MP Andrew Jenner remaining in the party.

Mr Jenner said the report highlighted flaws in how the deal with the AFL was negotiated.

"If it goes forward in its format that it is now, I think Tasmanians will be paying for it for the next 10 generations," he said.

"I wonder who sat at that table? Were we even there? Or did they just do the agreement on their own, the AFL, and hand it to us?"

The stadium is currently being assessed by the Tasmanian Planning Commission as a project of state significance.

At the end of that process — potentially by mid-to-late this year — it will need to pass both houses of parliament.

Mr Jenner said he would not be voting for the stadium in its current form.

Labor went to the last state election, under former leader Rebecca White, with a promise to renegotiate the deal with the AFL.

New leader Dean Winter then changed the policy to fully supporting a stadium in Hobart, and to hold Premier Jeremy Rockliff to his promise of not spending more than $375 million of state funds on the project.

Labor sport spokesperson Luke Edmunds said on Friday he would write to the Premier to seek a briefing on some of the matters raised by Dr Gruen.

"Tasmanians want this team to be delivered, Tasmanians want to see the Devils running out.

"But when is that actually going to happen, and how much is it going to cost?" he said.

"Labor said we support a stadium, but we also said it wasn't a blank cheque."

Mr Edmunds said it was too soon to say whether the party would vote in favour of the Macquarie Point stadium when it becomes before parliament.

"We'll make decisions on the evidence that's in front of us," he said.

Even if Labor and the government voted together in support of the project, to get through, it would also require the support of at least one independent in the upper house.

Upper house members recently voted down development assessment panels and presumptive sentences for child sex offenders, despite both policies being supported by the government and Labor.

Tasmanian Greens treasury spokesperson Vica Bayley said Dr Gruen's report was unsurprising.

"It indicates what detractors of the stadium have been saying for years now," he said.

"The costs are underestimated, the benefits are overestimated. It's the wrong site and it's the wrong priority for Tasmania."

The government released the report on Friday morning, but did not make any ministers available for questions.

In releasing the report, government minister Eric Abetz wrote that the Macquarie Point project "will shape Tasmania for generations, and unlock decades of investment, jobs and opportunity".
Ditch the roof and it comes in on time and on budget. No one likes the roof at Marvel. A roof would be handy in rainy Sydney but unnecessary for Hobart.
 

Jpw25111

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Makes sense - after all.. with that much money sunk into it, you'd think the Tasmanian Government would want maximum use out of it - and the AFL team can only occupy a day every 2nd weekend over the AFL season.

Sure it won't be optimal for rectangular field sports, but that won't stop them fishing for content to help fill out the calendar... and it'll be interesting to see if that means A-league & NRL games there - especially if the turnout for those games pushes a case for a rectangular stadium in the future.
They don't even have a Rugby League competition in Tasmania why would the build a rectangular stadium?
 

Vlad59

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Ditch the roof and it comes in on time and on budget. No one likes the roof at Marvel. A roof would be handy in rainy Sydney but unnecessary for Hobart.
A League soccer in the future. They’ve nibbled down here. Soccer is absolutely massive here. Apart from that the odd NRL or high profile union game. Not a chance building one yet. The government can’t afford the stadium they are trying to build already.
 

Vlad59

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If the stadium does get built, no doubt they'll bid for NRL games, just like the renovated Adelaide Oval & new Perth Oval.

Clubs & the NRL would be silly not to consider it for club matches (the venue would never be considered for Origin).
Won’t be completed until 2030 if at all so plenty of time to negotiate.
 

Wb1234

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Is Suncorp hosting any union World Cup games at all ? If not that’s a huge rebuff for Brisbane

Looks like the nsw govt paid decent money to get a lot of events

That post Olympic Games white elephant legacy is looking spot on with Brisbane missing out due to not having the capacity at Suncorp
 
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