The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Wb1234]

The Oasis site may as well be called the Mirage site because it's been only 5-10 years away from reality for a LOOOONG time. (Correction, got my desert terms mixed up!)

I agree that it's a game-changer when (if) it happens, BUT if the Tigers can pull-off this development first and really bed-in to that south-west corridor then it may be too late.

It's definitely interesting times with two resurgent clubs shaping up for a battle in the west/south west!

Tigers is just a coe the ground is still as it is

And doubt they actually use it think it’s for juniors they stay at concord

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

If doggies get approval to build on the oasis site and find the funding they will lock out the tigers and own all of Sydney from belmore to Liverpool and push into Campbelltown

Sure getting funding for a 40k stadium is going to be a push but it could change them forever

I suppose it`s telling that the Bulldogs don`t use Commbank despite its` proximity, but I just can`t see how they`ll get financing for Liverpool despite Gould`s claim of the Dogs` becoming the biggest Rugby League club in the world, you wouldn`t write that boast off though.
I just wonder if they can bide their time and base themselves out of an up-graded Accorr, but can they average 30k - 40k so they don`t look like lost in a 70k plus stadium. Biggest Rugby club in the world, possibly. Then they could own from Belmore to Liverpool pushing south towards Campbelltown as you say.

 

[Wb1234]

I suppose it`s telling that the Bulldogs don`t use Commbank despite its` proximity, but I just can`t see how they`ll get financing for Liverpool despite Gould`s claim of the Dogs` becoming the biggest Rugby League club in the world, you wouldn`t write that boast off though.
I just wonder if they can bide their time and base themselves out of an up-graded Accorr, but can they average 30k - 40k so they don`t look like lost in a 70k plus stadium. Biggest Rugby club in the world, possibly. Then they could own from Belmore to Liverpool pushing south towards Campbelltown as you say.

Yeh even at 6 percent interest a loan of 500 million is 30 million interest vs Canterbury lc profit of around 10 million plus whatever the stadium makes

They aren’t mucking around though

Their planning proposal could’ve had another 500 to 800 units instead of the stadium which they would add tens of millions to the land value

They could potentially do a jv with a developer that they get the land for free and makes hundreds of millions from the units and retail and give back half to the dogs to help fund the stadium

Maybe the nrl could also chip in money if they can get enough events there

A 40k stadium out there is a pretty good spot for rugby league in Sydney

 

[Pippen94]

Bulldogs have been looking to move to Liverpool since 1960's.

 

[flippikat]

Tigers is just a coe the ground is still as it is

And doubt they actually use it think it’s for juniors they stay at concord

Fair point, BUT putting a COE there signals a shift in the Tigers focus towards the South-West instead of the inner-west.. and if that gathers pace & momentum, that can mean more games there - which adds to the business case for ground upgrades.

I suspect that's Richardson's strategy.. get things rolling in that market & see it snowball from there - much how Penrith invested in local juniors & gathered momentum.

It makes sense, because surely there's comparatively less growth potential in focusing on the inner-west (traditional Balmain & Wests pre-1980s territory).

 

[Iamback]

Fair point, BUT putting a COE there signals a shift in the Tigers focus towards the South-West instead of the inner-west.. and if that gathers pace & momentum, that can mean more games there - which adds to the business case for ground upgrades.

I suspect that's Richardson's strategy.. get things rolling in that market & see it snowball from there - much how Penrith invested in local juniors & gathered momentum.

It makes sense, because surely there's comparatively less growth potential in focusing on the inner-west (traditional Balmain & Wests pre-1980s territory).

The council is building the CoE, Not the club. They will use it as will soccer but they picked Concord stupidly

 

[Bukowski]

Tigers is just a coe the ground is still as it is

And doubt they actually use it think it’s for juniors they stay at concord

No, it's also grandstand seating and corporate facilities.

 

[parrawentyfan]

If this was one of the American major leagues, that's EXACTLY what the Raiders would be doing - and you know what?

If they moved to Wellington due to stadium issues in Canberra I'd be a fan of theirs right away.

If the Raiders shift games to NZ they should shift to a modern RECTANGLE stadium. Shifting games to Wellington will make the ACT Government think ovals are acceptable.

 

[The Great Dane]

If this was one of the American major leagues, that's EXACTLY what the Raiders would be doing - and you know what?

If they moved to Wellington due to stadium issues in Canberra I'd be a fan of theirs right away.

If this was the major leagues they'd have been sounding out cities about relocating years ago, and Wellington wouldn't be on the short list unless they were willing to build a built for purpose rectangular stadium.

Don is too afraid of the backlash of jumping into the relocation discussion that the club needs to have, so he's trying to just dip his pinky toe in instead. He's trying to threaten the government with taking games away without fully committing to it, and all he'll achieve is the worst of both worlds.

Taking the odd game away won't be enough to sway the government or public opinion, and it'll compound most of the issues the club is facing. It'll lower the value of memberships here in Canberra, hurt attendance numbers, and put his supporters offside, while giving a free kick to his political opposition to argue that investing in a new stadium is even more of a waste of money if the Raiders are going take high drawing games out of town, and that they're greedy and only doing it for the cash.

Threating relocation is the nuclear option, but there's no half pressing the big red button.

 

[The Great Dane]

Canberra would only be moving the warriors game to nz

And maybe the Brisbane game to Suncorp

They would make a shed load of money doing this in terms of bigger crowds and money paid by host cities

Nz would be Wellington Hamilton Dunedin chch or even rotarua or taranaki

Loads of the smaller clubs should do this to make more dollars

This isn't about money and you don't grow your fanbase by ripping them off.

In the long run taking games away from Canberra will just hurt the club and RL in the ACT and Southern NSW. Not that anybody at the NRL seems to care about that TBF.

 

[flippikat]

If the Raiders shift games to NZ they should shift to a modern RECTANGLE stadium. Shifting games to Wellington will make the ACT Government think ovals are acceptable.

As has been said elsewhere here, the oval of Wellington's stadium is pretty small by cricket standards - and reasonably accommodating to rectangular codes.

Is it ideal? No, however it's hardly the MCG.

Also, given the austerity mood that's set-in over here, it's unlikely it'll be replaced anytime soon - barring a Christchurch-type earthquake scenario.. and even then, look at the time it took Christchurch to get a new build done.

 

[Suitman]

Slow going....

 

[Canard]

Why would Canberra choose Wellington though? What's the LU obsession with that?

 

[mongoose]

If this was one of the American major leagues, that's EXACTLY what the Raiders would be doing - and you know what?

If they moved to Wellington due to stadium issues in Canberra I'd be a fan of theirs right away.

Logan Raiders.... we actually have a few pockets of support around Logan.

 

[flippikat]

Why would Canberra choose Wellington though? What's the LU obsession with that?

Dunno about LU obsession, but It sure is mine to get an NRL team here

 

[Perth Red]

Slow going....

Is it due to be open for start of 2026 season?

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/former-queensland-premier-campbell-newman-warns-olympic-stadium-is-out-of-time-at-victoria-park/news-story/f4c67b89a408fd1c2720775672cee711

"Former Queensland premier Campbell Newman has put the state government on notice that he will conduct lawfare against the new Olympic stadium if it goes to Brisbane’s “Central Park”.

"Mr Newman is on an unlikely unity ticket with his old political nemesis, Annastacia Palaszczuk, to scratch inner-city Victoria Park as an option for the $3.4bn-plus build.

"Mr Newman said Brisbane had less green space in and around the CBD than other capital cities and could not afford to lose any of the 64ha reserve. Mr Schrinner has described Victoria Park as Brisbane’s answer to New York’s famed Central Park.

"Mr Newman said the Gabba, because of its public transport services, or another proposed stadium site at Hamilton Northshore on Brisbane River were a better fit."

"Mr Newman, who was a successful Brisbane lord mayor before he switched to state politics in 2012, said the Save Victoria Park campaign was gaining traction and ready to take the fights to the streets and courts, if need be.

"In a warning to Mr Crisafulli, he said: “If you think Victoria Park will be easy, think again.”