The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[jim_57]

Tigers should be 3 lo or one lo 2 Allianz
9 Campbelltown

Then work on getting it upgraded (25 to 30k?)

Saints should be 9 gong, 1 kogarah and 2 Allianz (gong to 30 to 40k?)

Sharks won’t want to move games when the leagues club is open they are spending 19 million on the refurb

The money sharks miss out on crowds they will more than make up for from the leagues club

Not every club should move away from their territory.

I’m a big believer in all clubs playing majority of their home games at one stadium. For Tigers & Dragons I agree that it should be Campbelltown and Wollongong, 8-9 games a year. Allianz should get use from both of them as well for at least 1-2 games a year.

 

[i0Nic]

Saints should be 4 Allianz, 1 kogarah, 7 gong.

All the big Sydney clubs and derbies at Allianz (roosters, Souths, dogs, sharks derby), titans at kogarah as part of heritage round, the rest at Wollongong. Upgrade Wollongong to a 27k all seater and maybe we end up moving an extra game or two there over time.

 

[jim_57]

Just some stats I found interesting regarding Tigers & Dragons, since the joint venture up to the end of 2024.

Tigers home games in Sydney:
98 @ Leichhardt - 12,356 average.
96 @ Campbelltown - 11,824 average.
46 @ Homebush - 22,532 average.
20 @ Old SFS - 18,332 average.
16 @ Parra - 10,470 average.
5 @ SCG - 20,682 average.

Dragons home games in Sydney & Wollongong:
146 @ Wollongong - 12,465 average.
108 @ Kogarah - 12,253 average.
25 @ Old SFS - 18,556 average.
15 @ Homebush - 19,246 average.
9 @ SCG - 20,046 average.
1 @ New SFS - 40,727.

 

[flippikat]

Just some stats I found interesting regarding Tigers & Dragons, since the joint venture up to the end of 2024.

Tigers home games in Sydney:
98 @ Leichhardt - 12,356 average.
96 @ Campbelltown - 11,824 average.
46 @ Homebush - 22,532 average.
20 @ Old SFS - 18,332 average.
16 @ Parra - 10,470 average.
5 @ SCG - 20,682 average.

Dragons home games in Sydney & Wollongong:
146 @ Wollongong - 12,465 average.
108 @ Kogarah - 12,253 average.
25 @ Old SFS - 18,556 average.
15 @ Homebush - 19,246 average.
9 @ SCG - 20,046 average.
1 @ New SFS - 40,727.

it's hard to get a read from any venue that's less than a dozen games, as that's such a small sample sizethat one game can make-or-break an average.

Keeping that in mind, it certainly looks like Homebush is the best option for the Tigers & SFS for the Dragons (from a pure crowd average) - doesn't it?

It certainly puts a pin in arguments to move the majority of those clubs home games to Campbelltown & Wollongong respectively... unless an upgrade to the state of those grounds could encourage better turnout?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Tigers should be 3 lo or one lo 2 Allianz
9 Campbelltown

Then work on getting it upgraded (25 to 30k?)

Saints should be 9 gong, 1 kogarah and 2 Allianz (gong to 30 to 40k?)

Sharks won’t want to move games when the leagues club is open they are spending 19 million on the refurb

The money sharks miss out on crowds they will more than make up for from the leagues club

Not every club should move away from their territory.

the only “home” stadium the Tigers can win at is LO

 

[BuffaloRules]

it's hard to get a read from any venue that's less than a dozen games, as that's such a small sample sizethat one game can make-or-break an average.

Keeping that in mind, it certainly looks like Homebush is the best option for the Tigers & SFS for the Dragons (from a pure crowd average) - doesn't it?

It certainly puts a pin in arguments to move the majority of those clubs home games to Campbelltown & Wollongong respectively... unless an upgrade to the state of those grounds could encourage better turnout?

these figures can be a little misleading … the low drawing teams like the Titans and Cowboys games tended to go to the suburban grounds..:And the big Sydney derbies were played at the bigger stadiums who were paying for the privilege and got to pick the best games … “Event “games like Anzac Day and Easter Monday crowds distort the figures as well

 

[jim_57]

it's hard to get a read from any venue that's less than a dozen games, as that's such a small sample sizethat one game can make-or-break an average.

Keeping that in mind, it certainly looks like Homebush is the best option for the Tigers & SFS for the Dragons (from a pure crowd average) - doesn't it?

It certainly puts a pin in arguments to move the majority of those clubs home games to Campbelltown & Wollongong respectively... unless an upgrade to the state of those grounds could encourage better turnout?

Yeh agreed obviously some of the SFS, SCG & Stadium Australia numbers would be bigger event games so it distorts the figures somewhat.

I do think it shows there is an appetite for both fan bases to travel to Moore Park and/or Homebush for bigger games. I’m surprised at some of those numbers to be honest. Dragons have played 50 home games at Moore Park (SFS & SCG) and Homebush since the merge, Tigers have played 46 at Homebush and 25 at Moore Park.

 

[Vlad59]

The crying continues over the funding for the Tasmania stadium …The costs of which surprise surprise have been shockingly under estimated…Now looks like the State Government can’t/ won’t pay what ever amount they were supposed to

What’s the odds that the Australian taxpayer picks us just about all of the bill for this ?

Meanwhile we’ve parked two ferries in Scotland because we don’t have a dock big enough to moor them. I think the Stadium has as much chance as the ferries.

Bemused Scots flock to dock for a ‘wry chuckle’ at stranded Tasmanian ferry that helped sink a premier

Spirit of Tasmania IV has been docked at port of Leith near Edinburgh since December after state government did not build a dock big enough to support it

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jonno]

100%

I'd rather the government put all its stadium money into Accor Stadium.

Go for 80-90k capacity with a 40-50k club mode. Put a roof over it and we are sorted.

It shouldve happened pre covid and Im sure it will be back on the table by 2027.
What we should see….
• 90,000-seat capacity
• Rectangular configuration
• Intimate 40,000 and 60,000 modes – using curtain and LED lighting to scale capacity.
• Translucent, retractable roof – Not just for Rugby League but ensuring concerts etc without any concern with the weather.
• Metro West access from 2032.– Metro train connection with just 5 minutes from Parramatta and 15 min from Sydney CBD. Driverless trains every 2 minutes moving up to 80,000 people per hour

 

[Perth Red]

If we really wanted to boost Sydney crowds clubs would be playing at one of the three decent stadiums with reciprocal full ticketed memberships.

 

[T to the T]

If we really wanted to boost Sydney crowds clubs would be playing at one of the three decent stadiums with reciprocal full ticketed memberships.

Is that what the AFL does with MCG and Colonial?

 

[Perth Red]

Is that what the AFL does with MCG and Colonial?

No idea but it makes sense to me. 15-20k home fans + 10k full ticketed away team fans = good crowds every time most Sydney clubs play each. We now have 3 Sydney stadiums with capacities 30%+ greater than home fan base. Fill them with away fans and actually get the attendance benefit from having so many clubs in one city!

 

[Jamberoo]

Is that what the AFL does with MCG and Colonial?

The standard club membership is 11 home games. There are cheaper ones that get you 3 - 5 home games, and more expensive ones with access to MCG/Marvel away games.

The MCC has 200k members, and the AFL has nearly half that. Those members can attend those stadiums whoever is playing.

Those AFL and MCC areas make up nearly half the capacity of the MCG. Whilst this will usually boost crowds a little bit, it is also the reason why a sellout of the 53k other seats (which includes club members) often means a crowd of around 80k - 85k for big games other than finals or ANZAC day - there are always empty seats in this areas, and yet regular fans and club members cannot access them. Yesterday was a public sellout but only 78k.

There are better models.

 

[Jamberoo]

I am amazed NSW has never gotten keen on the F1.

Great for tourism but very expensive to run. Plus you need lots of flat land/roads/space which Melbourne has near the CBD, but Sydney does not.

 

[Perth Red]

Great for tourism but very expensive to run. Plus you need lots of flat land/roads/space which Melbourne has near the CBD, but Sydney does not.

Plenty of tracks with elevations but Id suggest the main reasons are cost and the fact Sydney is already a globally recognised city and doesn't need the international tourism exposure.

 

[T to the T]

The standard club membership is 11 home games. There are cheaper ones that get you 3 - 5 home games, and more expensive ones with access to MCG/Marvel away games.

The MCC has 200k members, and the AFL has nearly half that. Those members can attend those stadiums whoever is playing.

Those AFL and MCC areas make up nearly half the capacity of the MCG. Whilst this will usually boost crowds a little bit, it is also the reason why a sellout of the 53k other seats (which includes club members) often means a crowd of around 80k - 85k for big games other than finals or ANZAC day - there are always empty seats in this areas, and yet regular fans and club members cannot access them. Yesterday was a public sellout but only 78k.

There are better models.

Everyday is a school day. So an AFL membership is different to a club membership, which entitles the AFL member to attend any game at those venues? That's really interesting and explains the Melbourne stadium rationalisation policy.

There must be scope of an NRL membership of sorts in Sydney for event games at Homebush and SFS you'd think?

 

[Jamberoo]

Everyday is a school day. So an AFL membership is different to a club membership, which entitles the AFL member to attend any game at those venues? That's really interesting and explains the Melbourne stadium rationalisation policy.

There must be scope of an NRL membership of sorts in Sydney for event games at Homebush and SFS you'd think?

AFL/VFL has had separate memberships since they built their own stadium at Waverley in 1970. There is now a 12 year waiting list to move from Bronze ($300) to Silver ($450), then again from Silver to Gold ($600) so nobody lets theirs lapse. About 30k in each category. That is $40m right there. You nominate your club and they get half of the fee.

The NRL can do something similar. You could link it to access to Origin and GF tickets.

 

[parrawentyfan]

Everyday is a school day. So an AFL membership is different to a club membership, which entitles the AFL member to attend any game at those venues? That's really interesting and explains the Melbourne stadium rationalisation policy.

There must be scope of an NRL membership of sorts in Sydney for event games at Homebush and SFS you'd think?

Great idea re the Sydney membership. We should be doing what we can to maximise those event games.

It sounds a little silly but what i actually think we need is a Sydney membership for non-event games. Some of the biggest games sell themselves, it's the little ones that need help.

I'm always a bit bemused when we start getting bombarded with Origin and GF ads months out from the game.

 

[T-Boon]

Plenty of tracks with elevations but Id suggest the main reasons are cost and the fact Sydney is already a globally recognised city and doesn't need the international tourism exposure.

It is probably unrealistic but try for a F1 double header season start Melbourne wk 1 and Sydney wk 2 (or vise versa) with the Federal government pitching in some of the costs. That would bring some tourism to Aus.
Have the Sydney one around Moore Park and the SFS (I've really just suggested that part to be able to sneak this into the Stadiums sub-forum).

 

[Kurt Angle]

Australia isn't getting two F1 races

Tourism for the most part is a dregs industry anyway.

A tiny handful of owners of capital (restaurants, hotels, theme parks, etc) the rest being minimum wage earners... Wait staff, hotel cleaners, ticker collectors, etc

You promote unbound tourism when you're incapable of generating meaningful jobs