Gallop's view on juniors

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

On the Footy Show, Gould suggested that a salary cap be used only for signing outside players - non-juniors. Meaning clubs can do whatever they like to keep players they've developed.

Gallop's response... "Club's like Penrith have 10 thousand juniors and it wouldn't be fair on clubs like the Roosters and Melbourne who hardly have any..." - "It would be hard to work out a fair system..."

WTF??!!

With the exception of Melbourne (who could be compensated with a slighty bigger "outside cap" than everyone else), clubs should be developing their own juniors and if they don't have any, then perhaps they need to move to where they can tap into local leagues. Otherwise what good are they really doing for the game? Why should they take everyone elses?

Setting up a system that rewards junior development (and allows cap concessions in non-league territories) is what we need. Again, ideas for the future of the game are shot down because they don't suit each-one of the current 16 clubs.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

I wouldnt read to much into a pre recorded pre packaged interview... I love interviews when someone talks about a topic and then an instant graphic pops up on the screen....

And at the end of the day it would be unfair if a team could sign a player salary cap free if they were from their district....

 

[herbert henry1908]

The problem is as a league we want teams in areas that dont necessarily provide huge junior numbers. The Northern Beaches/North Shore comes to mind.

You would force a club like manly to start poaching kids at 13 or 14 from the Penrith & Parra Juniors. And signing kids at that age is a massive crap shoot.

It could also put huge financial pressure on clubs with big junior bases. These clubs could go overboard in signing any and every decent junior creating financial problems for the Club. Hell these clubs could just start signing players even though they dont need them just to stop other clubs from getting them. That wouldnt be ideal for the game.

 

[El Diablo]

You would force a club like manly to start poaching kids at 13 or 14 from the Penrith & Parra Juniors.

Manly are already stacked with Parra juniors

clubs who develop them get nothing and these thieves just waltz in signing them for big money whilst not doing sh*t to develop their own

 

[Marshall_magic]

I'd make the rule something along the lines of if a player makes their Toyota Cup Debut for your club he is salary cap exempt. I would go with their NRL debut, but that encourages clubs to throw a kid in for 1 week after they signed elsewhere for the following season, so Toyota Cup is easier to manage.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

The problem is as a league we want teams in areas that dont necessarily provide huge junior numbers. The Northern Beaches/North Shore comes to mind.

You would force a club like manly to start poaching kids at 13 or 14 from the Penrith & Parra Juniors. And signing kids at that age is a massive crap shoot.

It could also put huge financial pressure on clubs with big junior bases. These clubs could go overboard in signing any and every decent junior creating financial problems for the Club. Hell these clubs could just start signing players even though they dont need them just to stop other clubs from getting them. That wouldnt be ideal for the game.

No, not at all.

With no cap on juniors, you might use one of your sponsors to help top up a local hero's pay packet and keep him. No sporting club is going to waste money / resources keeping someone, and there'd be nothing stopping a bloke from wanting to go somewhere else either.

As for the likes of Manly, they'd still be able to buy players as they already do now. They'd just have to stick to the set salary cap.

 

[herbert henry1908]

No, not at all.

With no cap on juniors, you might use one of your sponsors to help top up a local hero's pay packet and keep him. No sporting club is going to waste money / resources keeping someone, and there'd be nothing stopping a bloke from wanting to go somewhere else either.

As for the likes of Manly, they'd still be able to buy players as they already do now. They'd just have to stick to the set salary cap.

Many clubs ( most really ) have a history of poor financial management. It wouldnt surprise me at all to see a club go over the top and sign unecessary talent if there was no cap on Juniors.

 

[adamkungl]

Imo concessions should be give to the following, in order from most to least
local juniors
bought and developed juniors
8 year serving players

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Imo concessions should be give to the following, in order from most to least
local juniors
bought and developed juniors
8 year serving players

Sounds good... lets look at that for the roosters

1. Um None ... does Luke ricketson still count
2. Bought.... Yes ....... Developed.... Debatable
3. Um 1 Fitzy

Sounds like a great idea...

 

[Tommax25]

Imo concessions should be give to the following, in order from most to least
local juniors
bought and developed juniors
8 year serving players

thats not too bad, for a traditional buying club like manly concessions would be given for these players:

local juniors: steve menzies, jason king, cuthbo, watmough (im pretty sure)
bought and developed juniors: brett and glenn stewarts, matai, ballin, bani, (debatable wolfman)
8 year serving players: steve menzies (double concession!), next year king.

I like it.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Gallop is holding the game back. He's too scared to make any big decisions. He needs to grow a set of grapefruits and start trying to expand this comp.

Salary cap concessions would go a long way to solving 90% of probs in the NRL. If we keep EVERY big name player in the NRL, everything else will start to fall into place.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

The Northern Beaches/North Shore comes to mind.

Here's an idea. Bring in a financially stable club with massive support and 2 tremendous home grounds - with a focus on devleoping and looking after the juniors throught the north shore and the central coast.

Oh, that's what the Central Coast Beasr were supposed to do before they were were kicked out.

It's not that hard, Gallop.

 

[badav]

Gallop is holding the game back. He's too scared to make any big decisions. He needs to grow a set of grapefruits and start trying to expand this comp.

Salary cap concessions would go a long way to solving 90% of probs in the NRL. If we keep EVERY big name player in the NRL, everything else will start to fall into place.

They can't be put in because of Sydney clubs that can't afford to pay more than what the salary cap already is.

Cap concessions means clubs will be able to pay over $4 million for player payments but only have 4 million counted towards the cap. Thats not going to work for a team that only has $4 million dollars to pay for player payments.

 

[Delboy]

Tommax , you are kidding re David Williams, played junior reps fopr Parra from Matthews to NYC, was offered terms but took the cash at the Beagles.

So you want to claim 1 season games againsty 7 years of development, think you might be stretching it a bit

 

[Ram Man]

Has anyone given any though to how much the Broncos would dominate the competition fi these concessions were allowed. Considering that alot of the Storms rep players were developed in Brisbane...The Broncos would pretty much have an Origin side every week....not to mention that in future years the Broncos, Titans, and Cowboys have an entire state that has a growing base of rugby league players to choose from.....

 

[Eagle_Rocker]

Gallop is right, if we give concessions on juniors some clubs will have huge advantages over other. So you people want Brisbane to get a concession on all Brisbane based juniors? Warriors to get concessions on all NZ player? Fact is some areas are much larger then others and it will be unfair. Why can't people just work to a salary cap? If teams management were good enough they would keep their best juniors.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Has anyone given any though to how much the Broncos would dominate the competition fi these concessions were allowed. Considering that alot of the Storms rep players were developed in Brisbane...The Broncos would pretty much have an Origin side every week....not to mention that in future years the Broncos, Titans, and Cowboys have an entire state that has a growing base of rugby league players to choose from.....

Add to that, Canberra, St George Illawarra, Newcastle and Penrith would do well too. The Central Coast (perhaps with the Bears?) would be strong as well. Maybe even the Wests Tigers. Melbourne would have salary cap concessions as they're a "developing territory".

Anyone else can either stick to the salary cap and buy wisely, poor all efforts into growing their junior base, or consider joint ventures or relocation to somewhere which attracts concessions (eg: Perth - a developing state cap concession). Each outcome there is focussed on the growth of the game.

 

[Ram Man]

Add to that, Canberra, St George Illawarra, Newcastle and Penrith would do well too. The Central Coast (perhaps with the Bears?) would be strong as well. Maybe even the Wests Tigers. Melbourne would have salary cap concessions as they're a "developing territory".

Anyone else can either stick to the salary cap and buy wisely, poor all efforts into growing their junior base, or consider joint ventures or relocation to somewhere which attracts concessions (eg: Perth - a developing state cap concession). Each outcome there is focussed on the growth of the game.

What about NZ, they would have a test side every week!

Its just not going to work and is too unfair.
Everyone whinges about the Salary Cap, then if we bring a System like this in with Speacial concessions for clubs like Melbourne, then it still makes it unfair...why should they get more money because News Ltd decided to try and expand the game.
Its not going to work if the game is to expand to other states.

Its a professional sport not Tribal warfare.
I know the Tribal part of it has a special place, but the players today couldnt give 2 $hits about rivalry, they care about Money, whatever gets them the most cash.

If the clubs have a junior that they think will be a superstar then maybe they should hold off on spending stupid amounts of money on Marquee signings from other clubs.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

What about NZ, they would have a test side every week!

Its just not going to work and is too unfair.
Everyone whinges about the Salary Cap, then if we bring a System like this in with Speacial concessions for clubs like Melbourne, then it still makes it unfair...why should they get more money because News Ltd decided to try and expand the game.
Its not going to work if the game is to expand to other states.

Its a professional sport not Tribal warfare.
I know the Tribal part of it has a special place, but the players today couldnt give 2 $hits about rivalry, they care about Money, whatever gets them the most cash.

If the clubs have a junior that they think will be a superstar then maybe they should hold off on spending stupid amounts of money on Marquee signings from other clubs.

NZ would be ripe for a new team or open to relocation.

Why should Melbourne receive cap concessions??? You answered that yourself! First you say "...why should they get more money because News Ltd decided to try and expand the game."
Then the very next sentence you say: " Its not going to work if the game is to expand to other states."

Well, obviously those other states would attract concessions too.

Players don't care about rivalry BECAUSE they can't remain with the one club and most never play with their local team.

 

[Ram Man]

NZ would be ripe for a new team or open to relocation.

Why should Melbourne receive cap concessions??? You answered that yourself! First you say "...why should they get more money because News Ltd decided to try and expand the game."
Then the very next sentence you say: " Its not going to work if the game is to expand to other states."

Well, obviously those other states would attract concessions too.

Players don't care about rivalry BECAUSE they can't remain with the one club and most never play with their local team.

How do you put a dollar price on Concessions for Juniors?

The other clubs will say they got too much, the Storm (for example) will say its not enough.
What if the clubs with large junior bases dont get the expected return from their Junior players, what if the Storm dont get value for their purchase of a player?

There are too may question marks and its difficult to put an exact price for concessions and keep everyone happy. take a look at Club CEO's now and how much they bitch and whinge...imagine when they think other clubs get more money and are successful because everyone goes there for the big dollars.
I cant see anywhere how all clubs are going to agree to disagree on a financial figure that will be fair to all and sundry...

you are dillusional if you think players seriously want to play for their junior club because of rivalry when they can get $50k + at another club.
All players are mercenaries and will follow money becasue of their very short shelf life in a career that, if they are lucky, will last 10-15 years.