Gallop's view on juniors

[Eagle_Rocker]

Clubs can pump as much money as they like into juniors, but if they have a small area or number of kids to work with they won't be able to compete.

Some of you need to realise we are playing a professional sport here, how many successful sports around the world completely rely on local juniors.

It's up to clubs to prioritise their juniors, show them that they are wanted at the club and most often they stay. Not every junior can be kept by clubs.

 

[Ram Man]

i have said they should be moved countles times

Roosters and Sea Eagles should be forced to do so too. especially seeing what's recently happened at both clubs with the Roosters pissig off what little juniors they have left and Many pulling out of the NSW cup and instead entering a team in the Queensland cup

Yeah fair enough...but can I ask where are you going to move 3 clubs to.
The only place I can think will be even a small possibility would be the central coast, the 3 clubs dont fit in the Central Coast.
Add to that the only reason Manly are moving to QLD is because of the NSWRL lack of ability to run a successful competition and how little attention they pay to these competitions and the QLD Cup is becoming a superior comp compared to the NSW Cup

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Clubs can pump as much money as they like into juniors, but if they have a small area or number of kids to work with they won't be able to compete.

Some of you need to realise we are playing a professional sport here, how many successful sports around the world completely rely on local juniors.

It's up to clubs to prioritise their juniors, show them that they are wanted at the club and most often they stay. Not every junior can be kept by clubs.

The suggestion is not to "completely rely on juniors".
Clubs would just have to stick to the (sizable) salary cap on outside purchases.

 

[El Diablo]

Yeah fair enough...but can I ask where are you going to move 3 clubs to.
The only place I can think will be even a small possibility would be the central coast, the 3 clubs dont fit in the Central Coast.
Add to that the only reason Manly are moving to QLD is because of the NSWRL lack of ability to run a successful competition and how little attention they pay to these competitions and the QLD Cup is becoming a superior comp compared to the NSW Cup

CC, WA and QLD

 

[franklin2323]

It would be a great Idea. I hate the Roosters as much as the next person ( Stealing the Panthers Juniors) but despite having no juniors they get along to junior carnivals and get juniors that way. Sa and Soliola was brought across from NZ by them. why can't they get benefits for the effort???

The only problem would defining the stage when they become exempt for the club. Eg Roosters sign X player at 15 from interstate. He lives with a boarder and attends school. Get homesick returns to say Broncos what makes the Broncos unable to get a concession even though the player is 17.

Also cant be put at SG Ball as QLD teams don't have SG Ball competion iron out the holes it would be a fanatasic idea.

 

[Ram Man]

CC, WA and QLD

WA has no juniors...

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

It would be a great Idea. I hate the Roosters as much as the next person ( Stealing the Panthers Juniors) but despite having no juniors they get along to junior carnivals and get juniors that way. Sa and Soliola was brought across from NZ by them. why can't they get benefits for the effort???

The only problem would defining the stage when they become exempt for the club. Eg Roosters sign X player at 15 from interstate. He lives with a boarder and attends school. Get homesick returns to say Broncos what makes the Broncos unable to get a concession even though the player is 17.

Also cant be put at SG Ball as QLD teams don't have SG Ball competion iron out the holes it would be a fanatasic idea.

I'd see no issue with a player being considered a junior for more than one club. Any that are would only be classified as a junior for 2 clubs at most.

 

[El Diablo]

WA has no juniors...

bullsh*t

there are quite a few WA players in first grade teams atm

not one Victorian though

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

WA has no juniors...

So they would be allowed a bigger salary cap...

 

[adamkungl]

So they would be allowed a bigger salary cap...

Yes lets give new teams massive boosts like the AFL does to artificially increase support. f**king brilliant.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Yes lets give new teams massive boosts like the AFL does to artificially increase support. f**king brilliant.

Nah mate.
Unlike the AFL we'd have the cap exempt juniors to balance it out.

 

[Ram Man]

Nah mate.
Unlike the AFL we'd have the cap exempt juniors to balance it out.

So just how many genuine WA Juniors are going to be exempt from the Cap...not just the blokes that played 1 or 2 years in WA because thier parents moved to WA in their late teens...

 

[Eagle_Rocker]

Everyone wants rugby league to be a professional sport, yet if that impacts on their club they whinge.

If we want to be fair then lets force the players to enter a draft system. But then they'll complain that they don't get to chose where they go.

The current system is fair. Instead of Parramatta fans whinging about losing their juniors, why don't they whinge that their club chose to keep under-performing players instead.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Teams that would possibly benefit from "exempt juniors", opening up third party sponsorship etc for locals they want to keep...

1. Brisbane
2. Nth Qld
3. Gold Coast
4. Newcastle
5. Penrith
6. St George Illawarra
7. Canberra
8. New Zealand
9. Wests Tigers
10. Melbourne (would pretty much continue, bigger cap because of no juniors in a developing state)

New areas that would attract either a larger cap (developing area) or cap exempt juniors...
1. Sunshine Coast
2. Gosford
3. 2nd NZ
4. Perth
5. Adelaide

Throw in other Sydney clubs not mentioned who would simply buy well and scout for talent in the bush or actually have pretty decent junior bases like Parramatta and Canterbury.

 

[El Diablo]

Teams that would possibly benefit from "exempt juniors", opening up third party sponsorship etc for locals they want to keep...

1. Brisbane
2. Nth Qld
3. Gold Coast
4. Newcastle
5. Penrith
6. St George Illawarra
7. Canberra
8. New Zealand
9. Wests Tigers
10. Melbourne (would pretty much continue, bigger cap because of no juniors in a developing state)

New areas that would attract either a larger cap (developing area) or cap exempt juniors...
1. Sunshine Coast
2. Gosford
3. 2nd NZ
4. Perth
5. Adelaide

Throw in other Sydney clubs not mentioned who would simply buy well and scout for talent in the bush or actually have pretty decent junior bases like Parramatta and Canterbury.

do you not realise Parramatta has a huge amount of juniors :?

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

It would be a great Idea. I hate the Roosters as much as the next person ( Stealing the Panthers Juniors) but despite having no juniors they get along to junior carnivals and get juniors that way. Sa and Soliola was brought across from NZ by them. why can't they get benefits for the effort???

The only problem would defining the stage when they become exempt for the club. Eg Roosters sign X player at 15 from interstate. He lives with a boarder and attends school. Get homesick returns to say Broncos what makes the Broncos unable to get a concession even though the player is 17.

Also cant be put at SG Ball as QLD teams don't have SG Ball competion iron out the holes it would be a fanatasic idea.

That's right.. Plenty of players in the NRL do not come from an existing 'junior area'. They come from the country, NZ (outside of Auckland.. plenty from South Island etc).. So this would lead to a dis-incentive to recruit these players as there would be no benefit if exemptions only applied to local juniors.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

do you not realise Parramatta has a huge amount of juniors :?

Yes sorry, I did mention them though at the end.

Which strengthens the proposal.

 

[Perth Red]

WA has no juniors...

Really? Geez those kids who play on a Saturday morning in the park behind me fly a long way to come all the way from sydney just to play on a Perth pitch!

I guess the likes of Cory Patterson, Lee Te Wari, Daniel Holdsworth and Matt Peterson only started playing RL when they moved to Sydney?

WARL has a couple of thousand kids playing school RL and a few hundered playing regular jnr comp. I'm amazed, given we already turn out NRL players, that a club with few jnr's hasn't already formed a link up with the WARL.

 

[mxlegend99]

That's right.. Plenty of players in the NRL do not come from an existing 'junior area'. They come from the country, NZ (outside of Auckland.. plenty from South Island etc).. So this would lead to a dis-incentive to recruit these players as there would be no benefit if exemptions only applied to local juniors.

The rule shouldn't be local juniors. Clubs could recruit their juniors from anywhere. Just so long as they develop the players themselves.

If you take another clubs juniors, you should have to pay the club some sort of fee for the work they've done so far.

Basically rewards the clubs who spend all their money on developing players. Making juniors salary cap exempt wouldn't favour any team specifically if all clubs were willing to put money into developing players.

 

[aqua_duck]

knights:
local juniors:Kurt Gidley, Jarrod Mullen, Scott Dureau, Dan Tolar, Steve Simpson
developed juniors:James McManus, Aku Uate, Cory Paterson
Long service:Adam MacDougall, Steve Simpson, Kurt Gidley (I think if you include lower grades)

Local juniors we've lost:Brett Kimmorley, Anthony Tupou, Greg Bird, Michael Ennis, Josh Perry, Adam Woolnough, Brad Tighe, Dane Tilse, Kade Snowden, Terrence Seu Seu, Anthony Quinn