Gameday - Warriors v Raiders

[Thatwasnthighref]

Starling looking at 1-match ban
Tapine 3k fine for his shoulder charge - was that the one on Leka in second half that knocked ball free and was ruled knock-on?
Big Red 1.8k fine

Laban 1k fine for raising his knee

Yea I think thats the one. It looked more clumsy than anything IMO so fine is probably a fair outcome.

I reckon Starling is lucky to only get 1 match though, given he literally leapt into the tackle.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Starling looking at 1-match ban
Tapine 3k fine for his shoulder charge - was that the one on Leka in second half that knocked ball free and was ruled knock-on?
Big Red 1.8k fine

Laban 1k fine for raising his knee

Nothing for Tapine crusher?
It's the second effort of downward pressure that is the issue.
The ball Leka dropped was after a tackle he lead with his head and was called a head clash and play on.
The shoulder charge was penalised.

 

[Izz]

The ball Leka dropped was after a tackle he lead with his head and was called a head clash and play on.

Seems like you're allowed to lead with the head again. De Bellin leading with his head was what knocked Ford out v Dragons

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Don’t think you can outlaw leading with the head, because the perfect tackling technique has you leading with the head. Accidents happen so it’s hard to have a black and white rule in that regard probably. Similar to how we probably see more defenders being knocked out due the ball carrier raising the forearm as a bumper and cleaning them up, always a bit of discretion involved in those

The Tapine incident, I only looked once, but it didn’t resemble anything like a shoulder charge to me, where you dip, tuck the arm in and drive the shoulder, looked more like he slipped, and contact was made with the shoulder but the arm was loose

 

[Big Marn]

Nothing for Tapine crusher?
It's the second effort of downward pressure that is the issue.
The ball Leka dropped was after a tackle he lead with his head and was called a head clash and play on.
The shoulder charge was penalised.

Im not a fan of the accidental head clash. It always comes out in favour of the defensive team.

If a tackle that starts across the shoulder but slips up into the neck/area is considered careless, why is leading with the head not considered careless as well. Get your damn head out of the way of the person with the ball. Contact with the head is contact with the head regardless of whether its with the arms, shoulders or head.

Every week its happening and nothing is being done to make the player more careful. De Belin did the same thing a week ago and our guy had to go off for a HIA. Accidental. Play on said the ref.

Consider what the refs do when the player with the ball slips at the last second and the tackle that was comfortably chest high becomes a head high. The ref always says they understand why its happened but its hit him in the head. Penalty. How is that not deemed accidental when the defender doesnt have time to react?

The guy whos leading with the head knows exactly where hes going with the tackle and makes a meal of it. Its just bullshit that its not a penalty as well. Or if you are not going to penalise the player then my other example shouldnt be a penalty either.

 

[Blair]

Consider what the refs do when the player with the ball slips at the last second and the tackle that was comfortably chest high becomes a head high. The ref always says they understand why its happened but its hit him in the head. Penalty. How is that not deemed accidental when the defender doesnt have time to react?

That's something for us to remember if we only need a penalty to win the game, or even tie it up. We can't score tries at the death so we may as well scam a penalty.

Ford would be the best candidate. Run straight for the posts, 'slip', get whacked on the melon, two gift points.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Im not a fan of the accidental head clash. It always comes out in favour of the defensive team.

If a tackle that starts across the shoulder but slips up into the neck/area is considered careless, why is leading with the head not considered careless as well. Get your damn head out of the way of the person with the ball. Contact with the head is contact with the head regardless of whether its with the arms, shoulders or head.

Every week its happening and nothing is being done to make the player more careful. De Belin did the same thing a week ago and our guy had to go off for a HIA. Accidental. Play on said the ref.

Consider what the refs do when the player with the ball slips at the last second and the tackle that was comfortably chest high becomes a head high. The ref always says they understand why its happened but its hit him in the head. Penalty. How is that not deemed accidental when the defender doesnt have time to react?

The guy whos leading with the head knows exactly where hes going with the tackle and makes a meal of it. It’s just bullshit that it’s not a penalty as well. Or if you are not going to penalise the player then my other example shouldnt be a penalty either.

Yeah that Tapine/Leka incident being written off as just a head clash is insane to me. Leka was almost standing still and Tapine lines him up to put a shot on a prone player and ends up just whacking him head on head (and totally failing to make a proper tackle to boot) and his reward for flying in with a headbutt is he forces the error. It’s a world away from all the penalties we see for genuinely accidental high contact where the attacking player drops height at the last second and the defender is almost blameless.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Yeah that Tapine/Leka incident being written off as just a head clash is insane to me. Leka was almost standing still and Tapine lines him up to put a shot on a prone player and ends up just whacking him head on head (and totally failing to make a proper tackle to boot) and his reward for flying in with a headbutt is he forces the error. It’s a world away from all the penalties we see for genuinely accidental high contact where the attacking player drops height at the last second and the defender is almost blameless.

I found that incredible that it was never mentioned in commentary (I was watching CH9) and never went near being a consideration for the referees. Could we have challenged that? It was a stop in play.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I found that incredible that it was never mentioned in commentary (I was watching CH9) and never went near being a consideration for the referees. Could we have challenged that? It was a stop in play.

I think it was looked at by the bunker and ignored so a challenge would have failed. It also hasn't even resulted in a charge. The footage wasn't entirely clear as to whether it was head on head or shoulder on head but what was clear was Leka's chin was checked by some part of Tapine's anatomy and it knocked the ball out. It seems like it must have been head on head and I guess the interpretation is that unless it's a deliberate headbutt it's not regarded as foul play? I could be wrong but I thought at some point that interpretation had changed to be more in line with the union interpretation where they treat a head clash more like any other sort of head contact. Maybe it's an inverse overreaction to the original "crackdown" overreaction.