Gasnier's Commitment to the Dragons

[Nook]

2005 may well have been his best season, Willow. Individually, he's a much better player than Elford.

Hwoever I still believe that Elford's contribution to the Tigers was more valuable than Gasnier's to the Dragons. Particularly in the latter stages of the year. The semi-final against Saints is a case in point - Elford defended extremely well and as ever played his effective fast-hands role in our backline. Gasnier tried hard in attack but did nothing and was a liability in defence.

 

[Willow]

One game is not a season.
As I said, its unfair to compare the two. Opinions will differ.
But on the raw (games played) stats, Gasnier is more 'valuable' to his club last year. This being the answer you seek. ;-)

 

[God-King Dean]

His manager is doing his job. LOL, if anything it's a positive.

 

[Nook]

One game is not a season.
As I said, its unfair to compare the two. Opinions will differ.
But on the raw (games played) stats, Gasnier is more 'valuable' to his club last year. This being the answer you seek.

A semi final is fairly important though Willow.

Elford made a massive, direct contribution to his team making and winning the GF.

Gasnier, well ... maybe he was thinking about how he'd look in a Wallabies jersey?

 

[Balmain_Boy]

One game is not a season.
As I said, its unfair to compare the two. Opinions will differ.
But on the raw (games played) stats, Gasnier is more 'valuable' to his club last year. This being the answer you seek. ;-)

A bit of an odd argument; you're saying that Gasnier was more valuable to his club simply because of the quantity of his work, rather than the quality of it?


I would tend to agree on the rest of your assesment though.

 

[Willow]

Well Balmain Boy, I didn't say: "Gasnier was more valuable to his club simply because of the quantity of his work, rather than the quality of it."

I made another post before that and I fear the point got lost somewhere in translation.

Nook is the one that believes Elford was a more valuable club player than Gasnier last year. His words.

Its my view that comparisons like that are a tad unfair when both are fine players.

I pointed out that raw stats don't back up the claim. I also said that Gasnier had a top season last year.

In reply, we have read that Elford had a good semi-final, and this somehow means he was more valuable player throughout the entire season. Now if you're looking for an odd argument, that'd be it.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

You claimed that because Gasnier played more than Elford he was worth more to his club. Sorry but I can't agree.

If you re-read Nook's post you'll see that he uses the semi final as an example, not as the be all and end all.

 

[Woods99]

Do you think some of it is using the Family Name as a bargaining tool, Kinda like can you have this Name playing Union?

Also, it must be the start of the NRL Season if there is talk of one of our players switching to the Dark side.

Also if i was earning a decent Wad of Money doing a Job i love and that had been damn good to me, and i really loved my work colleagues, then NO i wouldnt take extra Money to work for a rival company that would love to put my employer out of Business. Money isnt everything to everybody.......................although it is to this Guy by the sounds of it.

Reg Gasnier played rugby union, stupid. He was the five-eighth for Combined High Schools when he attended Sydney Tech High.

No doubt if rugby union was professional, he might have played for the Wallabies. Why not? He is a cut above the average league player in most respects.

 

[Willow]

LOL Balmain Boy. No offence but you seem to getting overly picky there. ;-)

If you read my posts, you'll see there's more to my argument than that.

I don't need to re-read Nook's post. I know he used it as an example and on viewing that example, I said: "opinions will differ."
And again, I said: "Nook is the one that believes Elford was a more valuable club player than Gasnier last year"

'Contributions' are a matter of opinion. I don't know how many different ways I can say it.

After opinions, we have facts and stats. As individual players, Gasnier's season in 2005 was more impressive than Elford's.

 

[grouch]

A semi final is fairly important though Willow.

Elford made a massive, direct contribution to his team making and winning the GF.

Gasnier, well ... maybe he was thinking about how he'd look in a Wallabies jersey?

Gasnier won games for his club, without which they may not have even reached the semi finals. Elford is a good player and performed well in the semi finals. However, given the chance, the Tigers would swap him for Gasnier in the blink of an eye. This comparison is laughable.

 

[Willow]

Reg Gasnier played rugby union, stupid. He was the five-eighth for Combined High Schools when he attended Sydney Tech High.

Not sure about that. He played League as a junior for Renown and played at every lower level of League before being graded.
He was even born in Kogarah.
If he did play Union, it would have to be a fairly obscure part of his early history.

However, Reg once considered joining Union when there was some heavy duty negotiating going on with St George. Matters were sorted out without it coming to that though. Its something which is mostly forgotten and its certainly not what he is remembered for.

 

[God-King Dean]

Apparently Gasnier carved up tonight in a losing team.

 

[Nook]

In reply, we have read that Elford had a good semi-final, and this somehow means he was more valuable player throughout the entire season. Now if you're looking for an odd argument, that'd be it.

I was merely using the semi final as an example Willow. A rather pertinent one, though, given my claim and that the measure of a club's success in a given season tends to be inextricably bound up with their performance in the semis/GF.

For all his individual brilliance at stages during the year, Gasnier directly contributed to his teams failure to make the GF. Elford directly contributed to his team making and winning the GF.

 

[taipan]

Reg Gasnier played rugby union, stupid. He was the five-eighth for Combined High Schools when he attended Sydney Tech High.

No doubt if rugby union was professional, he might have played for the Wallabies. Why not? He is a cut above the average league player in most respects.

Who is stupid Woods99.Reg Gasnier played junior rugby league for Renown at Oatley,he played rugby league for the then Sutherland high, up to the intermediate certificate.Bobby Fulton played union in the army .I played union at school so friggin what !
As no leaving certificate available at Sutherland,he went on to Sydney Tech High,which did not provide league as a sport.The old private school trick.
He is a cut above most union players in every respect,as is ET and Wayne Pearce and Mathew Johns.
Rugby union wasnt professional then,if it had used its nouse and recompensed its players for injury in the early 1900s,it would not be the be down the pecking order. The trouble is like all things in union,they are slow at making a decision 96 years ,and it was a SL war that got them off their a..se.
BTW regardless of Mark's decision ,rugby league is his preferred sport(ie the one he enjoys the most)

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

If it meant playing Union, forget it.

Dignity, self respect and all that.

Rubbish Misty if someone offered you 200k more than your earning now to work for Rugby Union in some fashion you'd take it.

f**k anyone would, but us guys arent in the 100k's ballpark these guys are in.

 

[DJ1]

Remember his call to all his teammates to take paycuts to stay together?

His call was for all his team mates to take pay cuts.....

to leave a bigger slice of the pie for him.

 

[Danish]

Who here wouldn't like to earn an extra $200 grand a year?

We all would.....


But that because for most of us that would be 4 times our current salary. When you are talking the difference between $450K and $650K it becomes a different matter completely

 

[Willow]

I was merely using the semi final as an example Willow.

As I have already said.
Good to see you agree it doesnt make for a whole season.

A rather pertinent one

So now its more than 'merely an example'?

or is though, given my claim and that the measure of a club's success in a given season tends to be inextricably bound up with their performance in the semis/GF.

And again, this is open to opinion. Gasnier is arguably the best centre in the game.
You're trying to tell us that Elford is better.
Would that that be it in a nutshell?

For all his individual brilliance at stages during the year, Gasnier directly contributed to his teams failure to make the GF. Elford directly contributed to his team making and winning the GF.

'Directly contributed' lol. OK. So are you saying Gasnier is blame for Saints not making the Grand Final?

And are you saying if Elford was missing (as he was on numerous occasions in 2005), Wests Tigers would not have made the Grand Final?

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Union would be far lighter on his body so he may not get injured as much

Seriously though, if he signs with the ARU he should kiss any hopes he has of playing rep footy this year. I hope the ARL takes a firm hand (or more to the point a one finger) approach on anybody wanting to convert to RU.

 

[Tap Twist Snap]

He will probably do well in union, would carve them up with his attack as none of them can tackle. He wouldn't have to worry about his dodgy defense either.