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Geoff Carr warns players off Samoa

Matua

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I don't know why people keep bringing up Marshall - he moved to Australia when he was 15 ffs, he is no way a NSW boy.

SOO being a free for all = farce
SOO allowing true NSW/QLDers to play another country = good for the game
SoO isn't based on where you're really from, it's where you play your first senior game. Therefore on those rules Benji is eligible until the time he declares for the Kiwis. But he has as much right to play as anyone brought up in either NSW or Queensland.

Eligibility has been pretty fluid when Oz decides it wants to be.
 

Spitty

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So Vidot and Costigan say "I'm going to play for Australia if they pick me" and they're eligible to play State of Origin and the passion remains and if they say "I'm going to play for another Nation if I'm picked" Origin loses all it's passion and people stop watching.

Same players are playing but if they're eligible for the Green and Gold Rugby League lives and if they don't it dies?

That's some logic.

Mate I love a good debate and would love to respond to your point, whether I agree or not.

I just don't understand what your getting at. Maybe reword it, you might have a good point I'm just not sure what it is???
 

adamkungl

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Benji played his 1st senior RL game at Keebra Park State High on the GC. He technically is eligable to play SOO for Qld if he chose to.

SoO isn't based on where you're really from, it's where you play your first senior game. Therefore on those rules Benji is eligible until the time he declares for the Kiwis. But he has as much right to play as anyone brought up in either NSW or Queensland.

Eligibility has been pretty fluid when Oz decides it wants to be.

The 'first senior football' rule is pretty geniused if you ask me. If I was in charge I would ditch and and replace it with a 6 or 8 year junior residency rule. There is no way Marshall should be eligible for QLD or NSW.
 

roughyedspud

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but he could have been eligible for australia under the residency rule had he wished to rep for australia instead of NZ
 

adamkungl

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but he could have been eligible for australia under the residency rule had he wished to rep for australia instead of NZ

State of Origin allegiance is different to National... it's a completely different kind of rivalry for Australians. One which Marshall had no part in growing up, thus should not be eligible in my opinion.

How long is the residency requirement for International eligibility?
 

kovana

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Jeez what a massacre for us samoans...

Was watching with some mates..

Right into the 2nd half until it reached 30+ to nil,

Stopped watching after Vatuveis 2nd try where he bumped of some weak samoan tackling..

Jeez, they need more locals and guys who actually have played club rugby in samoa.. Local boys have heart. Just look at our Samoa 7s team and 15s team.. Hell of a lot more locals make up the team.. And we won the 7s series AND the PNC this year..

Feck, thanks for killing the interest toa samoa...



But i will still cheer for them if they are playing again..

Are they playing again this year or is that the end of the test matches for samoa this year in RL?
 

kovana

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They play Tonga next Sunday bro

Chin up mate, they just need more matches together

Hopefully there will be more interest for this next match against the tongans..

After this drubbing.. Damn.

Right after the 2nd vatuvei try.. We guys went out to look for some birds in a drunken stupor.
 

roughyedspud

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State of Origin allegiance is different to National... it's a completely different kind of rivalry for Australians. One which Marshall had no part in growing up, thus should not be eligible in my opinion.

How long is the residency requirement for International eligibility?

3 years..

so.....if benji had picked australia over NZ,which he had the right to do,you won't mind him playing for australia but origin is a no no




i really wish you australians would hold international eligibility as high as you hold origin eligibility
 

deluded pom?

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Hopefully there will be more interest for this next match against the tongans..

After this drubbing.. Damn.

Right after the 2nd vatuvei try.. We guys went out to look for some birds in a drunken stupor.


Who was in the drunken stupor? You or the birds? ;-)
 

The Observer

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Jeez, they need more locals and guys who actually have played club rugby in samoa.. Local boys have heart. Just look at our Samoa 7s team and 15s team..

A Manu Samoan team with 16/22 locals lost 101-14 to the All Blacks in 2008, and 43-5 to a French B team last year - local boys aren't going to compete with hardened elite pros. That is why PIRA is still petitioning the IRB to change Regulation 8 to allow ex All Blacks to turn out for the Manu and Tonga - just like RL.

The thrashing was disappointing, but Toa Samoa played one game last year, and no warm up before this game against the World Champions. Really, only the combined Pacific team will compete against elite nations in both codes.
 

hutch

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It's also discriminatory for one international team to dictate which players their rivals can or can't pick. Are PNG going to sue? Like hell they are, Australia can do what they want to the island nations because they know they don't have the resources or the know-how to stand up for themselves.

how do the arl decide who the other nations pick? they have a requirement that the players that play for australian states are also available to play for australia, which they have every right to.
 

adamkungl

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3 years..

so.....if benji had picked australia over NZ,which he had the right to do,you won't mind him playing for australia but origin is a no no




i really wish you australians would hold international eligibility as high as you hold origin eligibility

3 years? well that's a joke in itself as well. Should be 6-8, same as I suggested for Origin....get off your high horse.
 

hutch

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3 years..

so.....if benji had picked australia over NZ,which he had the right to do,you won't mind him playing for australia but origin is a no no




i really wish you australians would hold international eligibility as high as you hold origin eligibility

thats a bit rich coming from you lot. faasavalu and naming manu in the 30 man squad!
 

adamkungl

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What qualifications do you need to run the RLIF...reckon they'd go for a computer science uni graduate with retail experience?
 

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=RedVee]ept that Scotland was a separate Kingdom with a separate language, Wales was/is a principality and closer to being "England", Northern Ireland is a part of a separate country that was colonised. (Yes, it is all more involved - just a thumbprint version). Scotland would potentially have the ability to separate from the UK - think other nations that have become separated thoughout Europe over the last decade or so. Northern Ireland potentially could separate from the UK and unite with Eire, or stay a separate state from both. I would say that Scotland & NI are/were separate nations from England that have been politically united into the UK. I am not particularly familiar with Welsh history so have no opinion to state, but not sure they are in the same boat as the Scots. Don't know, happy to be educated though.

The past sovereignty of Scotland, England and Wales would be moot as they are no longer independent nor sovereign - if the requirement for participation in international RL or other international sports was that national teams represented sovereign states. It isn't.

I asked about Cook Islands and NZ - I didn't state an opinion. I wanted opinions from those that knew more about that situation.

The Cook Islands team represents the self governing (unlike England) parliamentary democracy that is Cook Islands, which it has been since 1965. It is in free association with NZ, and the Cook Islands has foreign relations with a host of other nations across the world.

Foreign relations of the Cook Islands

the only exception I can think of is the Olympics which AFAIK requires only sovereign states to participate.

Incorrect, both that the Olympics only requires sovereign states to participate, and that it is the only exception (to what exactly, I'm not sure).

National Olympic Committee

As of 2008, there are 205 NOCs, representing both sovereign nations and other geographical areas. All 192 United Nations member states have National Olympic Committees, as do 13 other territories:
Taiwan designated as Chinese Taipei by the IOC
Palestinian Authority, designated as Palestine by the IOC
Four territories of the United States: American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and United States Virgin Islands (designated just Virgin Islands by the IOC)
Three British overseas territories: Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, and Cayman Islands
Two constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands: Aruba and Netherlands Antilles
Hong Kong, a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China
Cook Islands, an associated state of New Zealand

The USA and Puerto Rico can play each other in basketball, and both participate in Olympics, and a Puerto Rican could be eligible for both.

A Northern Irishman could be eligible both for the Republic of Ireland team, and Team Great Britain. In soccer, Northern Ireland (NI) field a national team in soccer when the Republic of Ireland(ROI) team can select anyone off the island of Ireland, as Northerners automatically have ROI citizenship under the ROI's constitution. The right of ROI to pick NI players has been ratified by the International Court of Arbitration for Sport. The reason Northern Ireland field a team is because some of its people want a team to uniquely represent NI. This does not mean the ROI represents NI, it means the ROI team represents the ROI, of whom Northern Irelanders are citizens.

Similarly, the Cook Islands RL national team represents the Cook Islands only. The NZ national team represents the state of New Zealand, not the Realm of NZ. Cook Islanders happen to be eligible for the Kiwis because Cook Islanders are NZ citizens - however, the Kiwis still represent the state of NZ and not the Cook Islands.

Also, in soccer, both the American Samoan football team and Team USA could qualify for the FIFA World Cup. So, an American Samoan could be eligible for both teams. However, the USA team only represents the USA, and American Samoa represents the territory of American Samoa.

If a Taiwan team and a People's Republic of China team wished to participate in RL, would you object to the Taiwan team on the basis that the PRC claim that Taiwan is a part of One China?

I agree it is a unique situation, and it's certainly nothing like the situation with NZ and the Cook Islands which is fairly clear-cut.

Your classification of the NZ Cook Islands relationship in the first instance was incorrect, so that renders this comparison flawed.
 
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