Get Real

[disco1]

Guys,
I'm a big league fan but for once I wish people on here would stop posting threads about league being played in places like Holland, Serbia, USA, Italy, Malta, Greece, Tartasan, Macedonia etc. League has never been taken seriously in these places and never will. If you travlled to any of these countries and asked 1000 people about league they wouldnt have the foggiest. We have to get real in our aspirations for an international game and concentrate on on what we have got.

 

[carlnz]

I think you should shut up....I know for a fact Serbia are working damn hard and have already got a team comp and junior grades going...USA are doing well to........They are the real winners of Rugby League....Serbia have only used home growen players...not like Wales, Scotland and Ireland.....

You are just opening yourself up as a target....good luck

 

[roopy]

The unfortunate thing is - this is the attitude of the majority of league fans, but the game is slowly growing despite them.

 

[gaterooze]

disco, do you think Union is "taken seriously" in 90% of the countries that compete in it? Of course not - just look at the World Cup (outside the top few, played by woeful amateur teams and ignored in their home countries). Yet they have the breadth of international competition we aspire to.

Nothing will compete with Soccer, but building a deeper representation of International League teams is hardly a waste of time.

 

[Ari Gold]

you have to start somewhere idiot.....80 years ago soccer was only well known in a few countries, have a look at it now.

i suggest you :arrow: possibly to the Union forum, your "intelligience" will be put to good use there.

 

[dimitri]

i agree

this was a stupid discussion post

 

[PARRA_FAN]

IT's people like you that p1ss me off, dont you know the word "development". In other words we want these countries to go forward and play more league, I think its great to see these countries play League. If you're such a big league fan why do make out our sport is becoming a laughing stock. :roll:

Get real for once.

 

[disco1]

I couldnt care less what any of you think, this is my opinion and I am entitled to it. This is just about an inferiority complex to international rugby union and for some reason we think that we have to compete when we don't. Do you all honestly think these countries will take league seriously? Half of these countries dont even have a government, no money and all want to be footballers. You are all having a laugh if you think in 20 years time that Malta and Co will be playing competitive league.

I hate to use union as an example as I love league but many of these countries have been playing union for ages and haven't got anywhere, do you think league will be different?

Carlnz, so Wales, Ireland and Scotland didn't use homegrown players in the Euro Cup did they? The overwhelming majority of all of Wales RL teams over the last century used home grown players and that can't be denied.

I personally think we should be concentrating on getting the premier flight of teams sorted before any thing else.

 

[PARRA_FAN]

This has got to be in TFC, right now. :arrow:

 

[carlnz]

:lol: :lol:

 

[taipan]

I couldnt care less what any of you think, this is my opinion and I am entitled to it. This is just about an inferiority complex to international rugby union and for some reason we think that we have to compete when we don't. Do you all honestly think these countries will take league seriously? Half of these countries dont even have a government, no money and all want to be footballers. You are all having a laugh if you think in 20 years time that Malta and Co will be playing competitive league.

I hate to use union as an example as I love league but many of these countries have been playing union for ages and haven't got anywhere, do you think league will be different?

Carlnz, so Wales, Ireland and Scotland didn't use homegrown players in the Euro Cup did they? The overwhelming majority of all of Wales RL teams over the last century used home grown players and that can't be denied.

I personally think we should be concentrating on getting the premier flight of teams sorted before any thing else.

Well they have been trying to get the premier flight of teams more competitive ,by using the tri series as a testing ground.I cant see what the hell is wrong with developing the game in other countries,its called expansion,you may not get every country competitive,but who knows down the line a competitive Russia as an example might emerge or an exceptional athlete might emerge from one of the so called social or pub or amateur competitions.in the Olympic games which takes in every country,the great majority of countries get stuff all medals,they compete,they are appreciated.
i particularly dont care whether union is played in every country.I just want people in other countries to at least have the opportunity to play league just like the competition set up in New Caledonia,they dont have to be competitve and probably never will be with Australia.if you stay still you and the game stagnates,the game has to grow.
This has been the problem with league in Sydney the clubs looking after their own backyard and not seeing the bigger picture.

 

[disco1]

I couldnt care less what any of you think, this is my opinion and I am entitled to it. This is just about an inferiority complex to international rugby union and for some reason we think that we have to compete when we don't. Do you all honestly think these countries will take league seriously? Half of these countries dont even have a government, no money and all want to be footballers. You are all having a laugh if you think in 20 years time that Malta and Co will be playing competitive league.

I hate to use union as an example as I love league but many of these countries have been playing union for ages and haven't got anywhere, do you think league will be different?

Carlnz, so Wales, Ireland and Scotland didn't use homegrown players in the Euro Cup did they? The overwhelming majority of all of Wales RL teams over the last century used home grown players and that can't be denied.

I personally think we should be concentrating on getting the premier flight of teams sorted before any thing else.

Well they have been trying to get the premier flight of teams more competitive ,by using the tri series as a testing ground.I cant see what the hell is wrong with developing the game in other countries,its called expansion,you may not get every country competitive,but who knows down the line a competitive Russia as an example might emerge or an exceptional athlete might emerge from one of the so called social or pub or amateur competitions.in the Olympic games which takes in every country,the great majority of countries get stuff all medals,they compete,they are appreciated.
i particularly dont care whether union is played in every country.I just want people in other countries to at least have the opportunity to play league just like the competition set up in New Caledonia,they dont have to be competitve and probably never will be with Australia.if you stay still you and the game stagnates,the game has to grow.
This has been the problem with league in Sydney the clubs looking after their own backyard and not seeing the bigger picture.

I guess your right, sorry guys but this Xmas stuff has got me more stressed than I thought. That one sentence you said about the Olympics made me see sense

 

[carlnz]

Its all good bro....I hope Wales and Ireland become strong nations...well I hope Wales go back to the glory days when they beat the Kiwis etc etc

 

[rugged]

Hey Disco 1, I support you and I'm willing to get shot down too.

And why should this belong in the Fight Club?

I give you the example of the NFL. I don't think they get their knickers in knots about expanding around the world. They know they have a good homegrown competition and product.

Sure if people with time and money can make the effort to take rugby league to some far flung countries that's fine, but it's not essential and we don't have to think rugby league is a failure if everyone in the world doesn't love it. We love it and that's what counts.

Stop picking on someone with a different opinion. You are just showing your ignorance if you can't see other people's points of view.

 

[carlnz]

Hey Disco 1, I support you and I'm willing to get shot down too.

And why should this belong in the Fight Club?

I give you the example of the NFL. I don't think they get their knickers in knots about expanding around the world. They know they have a good homegrown competition and product.

Sure if people with time and money can make the effort to take rugby league to some far flung countries that's fine, but it's not essential and we don't have to think rugby league is a failure if everyone in the world doesn't love it. We love it and that's what counts.

Stop picking on someone with a different opinion. You are just showing your ignorance if you can't see other people's points of view.

I see his point of view...but if everyone thought like this...

where would:

Fiji
Tonga
Russia
Lebanon
Ireland
Scotland
Serbia
USA
Japan
Cook Islands

Where would all these nations be? You go tell these people that set them up dont bother for 5-10 years as it is a waste of time!! All it takes is one super star to come out of these countries before that country takes off......Just think if another Fittler came out of Lebanon...just think what it could do!

The more nations playing the better....and the League world is now putting efforts into France and PNG - yet they are still developing new nations at the same time!

 

[screeny]

It's all very well having a negative opinion on league development, but when one goes around using phrases such as 'league will NEVER be taken seriously' an argument loses any credibility.

Never is a long time!

It'll take time, sure, but league is going in the right direction. Let's not forget how flimsy we are though. How many league nations, for want of a better description, are on the verge of collapse due to finances, shallow roots etc? A few too many I reckon. Most of it is done by volunteer work and if something happens to that volunteer then the whole operation grinds to a halt.

 

[PARRA_FAN]

carlnz, thats a good point, pretty much summed it up.

I mean these nations have grown in the last few years, especially Russia and USA. Hopefully more to come.

 

[yakstorm]

Guys,
I'm a big league fan but for once I wish people on here would stop posting threads about league being played in places like Holland, Serbia, USA, Italy, Malta, Greece, Tartasan, Macedonia etc. League has never been taken seriously in these places and never will. If you travlled to any of these countries and asked 1000 people about league they wouldnt have the foggiest. We have to get real in our aspirations for an international game and concentrate on on what we have got.

LOL, who here can spell troll, cause that is exactly what this post is. A statement on an international forum which of course is going to rub people up the wrong way with almost no justification for the statements.

 

[disco1]

Guys,
I'm a big league fan but for once I wish people on here would stop posting threads about league being played in places like Holland, Serbia, USA, Italy, Malta, Greece, Tartasan, Macedonia etc. League has never been taken seriously in these places and never will. If you travlled to any of these countries and asked 1000 people about league they wouldnt have the foggiest. We have to get real in our aspirations for an international game and concentrate on on what we have got.

LOL, who here can spell troll, cause that is exactly what this post is. A statement on an international forum which of course is going to rub people up the wrong way with almost no justification for the statements.

Rubbish!!!! If I have an opinion I am entitled to say it, how does that make me a troll? Isn't dicussions/debates a 2 way process? Otherwise it wouldn't be balanced and life would be boring!

Anyway, if you read my previous post you will see I have started to come around to the idea of expansion...

 

[rugged]

I just think everyone should get rid of their inferiority complex to international union and take pride in the domestic comp and the popularity in Australia that union will never achieve.

In the one breath a lot of people in this forum seem to poohoo the strength of union playing nations such as Scotland (sorry that was on another thread and I suppose I shouldn't listen to people like Dimitri :roll: ) and then spout off about how Serbia and Russia play league. Suppose I'm pretty cynical of one-eyed league supporters in general who don't always see the overall picture and can't see things from another perspective.