Glory Glory - The Manchester United Thread II

[Avenger]

Ronaldo returning to Man U would be extraordinary.

 

[Mong]

An obvious penalty not awarded to Man U at home??

That ref would be f*cked if fergie was still in charge!!

 

[Jason Maher]

But I thought we always got an obligatory penalty at OT?

 

[Mong]

Must have been a fergie thing... He will need to have a word to Moyes about it..

 

[WireMan]

Well that is the second time in a week we have dominated a team and failed to not only score but fail to make a lot of chances.

We need some creativity in the team. Nani for one of Young/Giggs will be a start, a replacement for the other will be a finish.

Hopefully Kagawa shocks me and actually turns into a decent player. Although their are rumours he is going back to the Bundesliga.

Mid was ok again. Carricks passing wasn't the usual high standards.

I would like us to use Zaha instead of Valencia on the wing so he can develop as a full back, much better there.


Also RVP has to shape up. Did nothing again except miss the target when through on goal. I'd drop him against Palace for Chico. No good crying about lack of service, get into the game.

We missed Rooney a bit to.

Get Nani starting, Rooney back and another body in their and it is not all bad.

 

[sydraider]

Fellaini

 

[WireMan]

Fellaini

Yup.

Not getting to excited over the price. It was probably less than that with add ons for success etc.


We really managed to f*ck the whole transfer window up. IF Woody is around next summer he had better learnt a whole lot from this.

If we know we want someone, don't f*ck around doing things on the cheap. Go for him, if we cannot get him for our valuation, don't sit around thinking about another bid. Get someone else.

What the f*ck we are loaning a left back from Madrid for i have no idea.


Anyways, that is done.

I have a feeling we may go 4-3-3 in the near future. Fellaini holding with some creativity in front of him. With him performing a defensive role it will mean Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani etc. can worry more about scoring goals.

 

[WireMan]

Well that was terrible.

The only positive i can take is this will hopefully mean Young stops getting picked and we don't play with two defensive midfielders ever again.

The 3 in the middle made the team look so much more balanced.

We also scored the best goal.



Still 3 points behind the teams that count and 3 of our hardest games out of the way.


We need a big next 5 games now.

 

[Jason Maher]

Yup.

Not getting to excited over the price. It was probably less than that with add ons for success etc.


We really managed to f*ck the whole transfer window up. IF Woody is around next summer he had better learnt a whole lot from this.

If we know we want someone, don't f*ck around doing things on the cheap. Go for him, if we cannot get him for our valuation, don't sit around thinking about another bid. Get someone else.

What the f*ck we are loaning a left back from Madrid for i have no idea.


Anyways, that is done.

I have a feeling we may go 4-3-3 in the near future. Fellaini holding with some creativity in front of him. With him performing a defensive role it will mean Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani etc. can worry more about scoring goals.

This takes on more significance now. Losses to Citeh and the scum and a tame 0-0 home draw against Chel$ki are signs something is not quite right. Namely, the other key teams have all improved their teams, while we haven't. Fellaini is slightly more than a depth signing in terms of quality. Frankly, it's embarrassing that noted big spenders Arse landed a player of the quality of Ozil while we couldn't land anyone of note.

One thing is for certain: we cannot afford to let Rooney go, no matter what offers Chel$ki and Arse throw at us.

In other news, I look forward to the Citeh fans on here re-appearing for the first time since they won the league.

 

[WireMan]

This takes on more significance now. Losses to Citeh and the scum and a tame 0-0 home draw against Chel$ki are signs something is not quite right. Namely, the other key teams have all improved their teams, while we haven't. Fellaini is slightly more than a depth signing in terms of quality. Frankly, it's embarrassing that noted big spenders Arse landed a player of the quality of Ozil while we couldn't land anyone of note.

One thing is for certain: we cannot afford to let Rooney go, no matter what offers Chel$ki and Arse throw at us.

In other news, I look forward to the Citeh fans on here re-appearing for the first time since they won the league.

Yeah, keeping Rooney is a must but it always was.

I would not get to down heartened by other teams signings, no one has strengthened.

We had a difficult start where Moyes has played very cautious. It has not worked out as he wanted to, but now is the time for him and the team to step up.

We need to play 3 in mid, with two of the mids having license to support the forwards and stop being so defensive. United are not good at playing for a draw, it is not in the DNA.

Also Young should never start for United again.

Don't take any notice of City fans, they have always just been a joke and not worthy of any.

 

[boxhead]

Mate, surely you can't honestly think the other top teams haven't improved?

Liverpool have gained a lot of oomph defensively, and Coutinho is proving a class buy.
Arsenal signed Mesut Ozil and didn't let anyone of note go that I can think of.

City and Chelsea don't really seem to have lost much at all, and both arguably have better managers than they did previously - Chelsea certainly, City is probably very debatable.

Spurs lost only Bale and Assou-Ekotto from their first team, but gained Soldado, Lamela, Eriksen, Paulinho, Chadli, Capoue and Chiriches. They lost a world class player but gained a great striker (desperately needed), a great attacking midfielder (desperately needed), a Bale replacement (who may be better in a few years), a pair of high quality midfielders, a good back-up winger and competition for Lennon, and a centre-back to make up for Caulker's departure. The only way to cap off a near perfect recruitment drive would be to sign a high quality left back. And heck, our net spend is zero.

 

[WireMan]

Mate, surely you can't honestly think the other top teams haven't improved?

Liverpool have gained a lot of oomph defensively, and Coutinho is proving a class buy.
Arsenal signed Mesut Ozil and didn't let anyone of note go that I can think of.

City and Chelsea don't really seem to have lost much at all, and both arguably have better managers than they did previously - Chelsea certainly, City is probably very debatable.

Spurs lost only Bale and Assou-Ekotto from their first team, but gained Soldado, Lamela, Eriksen, Paulinho, Chadli, Capoue and Chiriches. They lost a world class player but gained a great striker (desperately needed), a great attacking midfielder (desperately needed), a Bale replacement (who may be better in a few years), a pair of high quality midfielders, a good back-up winger and competition for Lennon, and a centre-back to make up for Caulker's departure. The only way to cap off a near perfect recruitment drive would be to sign a high quality left back. And heck, our net spend is zero.

Liverpool have "oompg"? No they ain't. Coutinho is not a new signing. They bought Aspas. He sucks. They are also not a top club.
Ozil plays in the one position Arsenal are well stocked in.
Not losing much is not improving. Jose has unsettled his best player and Rafa is the equal of him, to early for Pellegrini.
Spurs sold their only world class player and replaced him with 7 above average ones.

So no, no one has improved.

But this is the United forum (so we don't care about any of that in here), and we have had this debate before. It is way to early to judge so we will have a review of the signings come Christmas if you like in the main section.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Spurs sold their only world class player and replaced him with 7 above average ones.

But in the end they have a better squad now than last season, so they have definitely improved.

I also think Paulinho, just as one example, would be a walk-up starter for Man Utd.

 

[boxhead]

But in the end they have a better squad now than last season, so they have definitely improved.

I also think Paulinho, just as one example, would be a walk-up starter for Man Utd.

Exactly on both points.

Liverpool have "oompg"? No they ain't. Coutinho is not a new signing. They bought Aspas. He sucks. They are also not a top club.
Ozil plays in the one position Arsenal are well stocked in.
Not losing much is not improving. Jose has unsettled his best player and Rafa is the equal of him, to early for Pellegrini.
Spurs sold their only world class player and replaced him with 7 above average ones.

So no, no one has improved.

But this is the United forum (so we don't care about any of that in here), and we have had this debate before. It is way to early to judge so we will have a review of the signings come Christmas if you like in the main section.

@WireMan

Liverpool have improved defensively, and are playing very well overall even without Suarez. As far as Coutinho goes, I was referring to at this point from last season. In that sense, Coutinho or no, they have improved a lot.

Regardless of where Ozil plays, saying he won't improve them is ludicrous. He is easily in the top three attacking midfielders in the world, and as good as their midfield already is, he just adds so much to it. He is that good.

Rafael Benitez the equal of Jose Mourinho? I've head everything now! :lol:

Above average? You mean to say that Eriksen, Paulinho and Lamela are above average despite the fact they would walk into your team? Mate, you need to get off the crock. Eriksen, Paulinho and Lamela are three of the best young talents in their positions that you can find, those three hardly qualify as "above average". Soldado is a very high quality striker too and I would hardly call him above average.

 

[WireMan]

Exactly on both points.



@WireMan

Liverpool have improved defensively, and are playing very well overall even without Suarez. As far as Coutinho goes, I was referring to at this point from last season. In that sense, Coutinho or no, they have improved a lot.

Regardless of where Ozil plays, saying he won't improve them is ludicrous. He is easily in the top three attacking midfielders in the world, and as good as their midfield already is, he just adds so much to it. He is that good.

Rafael Benitez the equal of Jose Mourinho? I've head everything now! :lol:

Above average? You mean to say that Eriksen, Paulinho and Lamela are above average despite the fact they would walk into your team? Mate, you need to get off the crock. Eriksen, Paulinho and Lamela are three of the best young talents in their positions that you can find, those three hardly qualify as "above average". Soldado is a very high quality striker too and I would hardly call him above average.

1. It is the United forum.

2. It is to early to tell just how world class the players are. They are above average until they prove they can hack the league they are playing in.

3. No one in this thread cares about any of the players you have mentioned.

4. Seriously, none of them.

 

[boxhead]

1. You were the one that started this debate by saying "I would not get to down heartened by other teams signings, no one has strengthened" when anyone who isn't blind or stupid knows otherwise. Don't try and say "It is the United forum" when you opened yourself up for an argument regarding other teams by bringing them up.

2. A blind man could see that Lamela, Paulinho and Eriksen at the very least are hardly "above average". Those "above average" players would stroll into United's first team and you know it.

3. Yes they do, because Jason Maher brought Ozil up and made a general comment about how other teams improved.

4. See point three.

5. Try again. If you want to prove you are barking mad and have NFI, then go ahead and tell us how United are better off with Fellaini than Paulinho and Eriksen.

 

[WireMan]

1. You were the one that started this debate by saying "I would not get to down heartened by other teams signings, no one has strengthened" when anyone who isn't blind or stupid knows otherwise. Don't try and say "It is the United forum" when you opened yourself up for an argument regarding other teams by bringing them up.

2. A blind man could see that Lamela, Paulinho and Eriksen at the very least are hardly "above average". Those "above average" players would stroll into United's first team and you know it.

3. Yes they do, because Jason Maher brought Ozil up and made a general comment about how other teams improved.

4. See point three.

5. Try again. If you want to prove you are barking mad and have NFI, then go ahead and tell us how United are better off with Fellaini than Paulinho and Eriksen.

Oh good god you are back.

Ozil was mentioned as a comparison to us buying Fellaini. Teams being weaker or stronger effects United. Teams are compered to United in here.
We talk about rivals, you mention Liverpool and Spurs and a list of average players who have done nothing in the prem or anywhere really. No one cares.
If you want to go on about how Lamela is going to be better than Bale, or Eriksen is Maradona reborn or something then go to the Spurs thread. I am sure Twiz would be more than happy talking about them.

You really are the Bunniesman of Spurs. You two should have your own tv show. It is funny in the main section, in here it is boring and irrelevant.

 

[boxhead]

Oh good god you are back.

Ozil was mentioned as a comparison to us buying Fellaini. Teams being weaker or stronger effects United. Teams are compered to United in here.
We talk about rivals, you mention Liverpool and Spurs and a list of average players who have done nothing in the prem or anywhere really. No one cares.
If you want to go on about how Lamela is going to be better than Bale, or Eriksen is Maradona reborn or something then go to the Spurs thread. I am sure Twiz would be more than happy talking about them.

You really are the Bunniesman of Spurs. You two should have your own tv show. It is funny in the main section, in here it is boring and irrelevant.

What part of bringing up that the other top teams which includes Liverpool and Spurs this season (who are both above your team presently) have not improved by nature concerns those teams do you not understand?

I brought Eriksen up because like it or not, ManU would have killed to have someone like him over Fellaini. The players you keep referring to as "average players" are far better than the sh*t heaps your first team spews out. That you can't accept that shows everyone here how blind you are. Saying "no other top team has improved" and not suggesting Chelsea/City/Arsenal have improved, or even not including at least Spurs and perhaps Liverpool, shows just how out of touch you are. If you haven't noticed, all of City/Chelsea/Arsenal have stronger teams than their previous season, and both Spurs and Liverpool are proving they can be genuine challengers this season.

Lol, putting words in my mouth? Sorry, but I am being realistic. Lamela craps over your first-choice wingers, and Eriksen craps over Fellaini and would have been one of the smartest buys you could have made. We got him for around 10 million pounds or close to that mark, despite him having some of the best stats of any attacking midfielder involved in the UCL or any domestic league. You guys could have had him if you went in for him. Instead, you over-paid for Fellaini who really doesn't provide your team with the creativity it sorely needs.

I'm the Bunniesman of Spurs? Says the guy who thought Ozil would never become world class....

 

[GC_Gladiator]

Can someone pm me when box head stops going on about Spurs recent signings in every single thread.

 

[boxhead]

Can someone pm me when box head stops going on about Spurs recent signings in every single thread.

Excuse me, I'm not the one that brought up the other top teams in the ManU thread. :roll: