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Gold Coast Titans,a disgrace

Blood Shot Eyes

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Perhaps another location in SE QLD would be better off?? This will be 5 times unlucky for the Gold Coast...it just does not work in that city. It's a transient city - or more accurately a town. The limited amount of people who DO put there roots down up there commonly follow other clubs. It does not seem to capture a populous that's interested. You can have all the acadamys, centres and business models you like - Titans have been boosting there corwd figures from day 1. Maybe a "south brisbane" team would be more the ticket.
You make some valid points Phil.....I personally dont wont them to fold....but I think they struggle with supporter numbers for maybe ? the following reasons..... there are a lot of southern retirees and workers that live on the coast and they already have their teams in their respective codes ( League / AFL)..... there are a lot of Asian folk live there now and they tend to follow Soccer and anybody that now lives in Brisbane from southern states and want to adopt a Qld team dont particularly like the Broncos , instead support The Titans but a lot wont travel down the coast to watch them but support them on TV....thats just my view anyhow (I'm sure someone will punch holes in it).
 

Reyter

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Agree it is a retirement or holiday destination rather than a rugby league nursery.

Even the name 'Gold Coast' conjures up images of sandy beaches, schoolies weeks and meter maids in cowboy hats.. Not a football team.

What about reviving the South Queensland Crushers?

What utter BS! The problem is that the Broncos have a monopoly in SE QLD and want to destroy any competition. They get all the best GC juniors like Darius Boyd and Ben Hannent for example. That and Michael Searle is merely an overambitious capitalist.
 

Reyter

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You make some valid points Phil.....I personally dont wont them to fold....but I think they struggle with supporter numbers for maybe ? the following reasons..... there are a lot of southern retirees and workers that live on the coast and they already have their teams in their respective codes ( League / AFL)..... there are a lot of Asian folk live there now and they tend to follow Soccer and anybody that now lives in Brisbane from southern states and want to adopt a Qld team dont particularly like the Broncos , instead support The Titans but a lot wont travel down the coast to watch them but support them on TV....thats just my view anyhow (I'm sure someone will punch holes in it).

The Chargers were one of the most profitable teams in the NRL but the Broncos killed them off in doing a deal to end the Super League war.
 

Reyter

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Perhaps another location in SE QLD would be better off?? This will be 5 times unlucky for the Gold Coast...it just does not work in that city. It's a transient city - or more accurately a town. The limited amount of people who DO put there roots down up there commonly follow other clubs. It does not seem to capture a populous that's interested. You can have all the acadamys, centres and business models you like - Titans have been boosting there corwd figures from day 1. Maybe a "south brisbane" team would be more the ticket.

You are aware tht the population of the GC district is more than the Illawarra and ACT combined?
 

Karl

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I thought the Club itself was fine and that a separate entity that owns the Center of Excellence was in trouble, under a mound of debt associated with the development of the facility.

If that is the case, it may be that even if the COE Entity folds, the Club will be unaffected.
 
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I thought the Club itself was fine and that a separate entity that owns the Center of Excellence was in trouble, under a mound of debt associated with the development of the facility.

If that is the case, it may be that even if the COE Entity folds, the Club will be unaffected.

No, it's the entire franchise, not just the COE:

''We have received reports from our external accountants today that confirm the whole structure at the Titans is under considerable financial stress,'' ARLC chief executive David Gallop said in a statement.
 

st.phil

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The Chargers were one of the most profitable teams in the NRL but the Broncos killed them off in doing a deal to end the Super League war.

I did not know that and also find it hard to believe - I seem to remember them playing to half empty Carrah (sic) stadium and finishing equal last with Wests in 98. Not even with Searle's creative accounting could they have spun a profit that year.
 

possm

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You make some valid points Phil.....I personally dont wont them to fold....but I think they struggle with supporter numbers for maybe ? the following reasons..... there are a lot of southern retirees and workers that live on the coast and they already have their teams in their respective codes ( League / AFL)..... there are a lot of Asian folk live there now and they tend to follow Soccer and anybody that now lives in Brisbane from southern states and want to adopt a Qld team dont particularly like the Broncos , instead support The Titans but a lot wont travel down the coast to watch them but support them on TV....thats just my view anyhow (I'm sure someone will punch holes in it).

Also no parking near their great home ground.
Public transport not up to standard on game day.
Game promotion very poor considering the club is young and needs to build membership and fans.
Just not a good administration.
 

hardbaby

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I think it's a great area for a league franchise. Searle obviously made some mistakes but it strikes me as a very viable location.
 

possm

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No, it's the entire franchise, not just the COE:

''We have received reports from our external accountants today that confirm the whole structure at the Titans is under considerable financial stress,'' ARLC chief executive David Gallop said in a statement.

Main reason being because the Titans own the Centre of Excellence so they are responsible for the debt. Palmer will make the centre available to the Titans and other codes such as soccer, AFL and RU.

Word is that Palmer will buy this asset off the administrators at a below cost price under an arrangement with the creditors. This would take the pressure of the Titans. The next question is will Palmer look to take over the Titans.
 

moik

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I went to the dragons titans game in rd1 last year. Local team that had a terrific 2010 playing the defending premiers, i expected a sellout.
Turns out the rowd was about 12000 and we outnumbered the locals 2 to 1
 
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The Chargers were one of the most profitable teams in the NRL but the Broncos killed them off in doing a deal to end the Super League war.

Most clubs run at a loss. It's not all about making a profit. It's a game backed by sponsors and merchandising.

2 and potentially 3 failed attempts in 20 years says something about the region.

But who are you blaming for this debacle: Searle or Broncos?
 

Reyter

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I did not know that and also find it hard to believe - I seem to remember them playing to half empty Carrah (sic) stadium and finishing equal last with Wests in 98. Not even with Searle's creative accounting could they have spun a profit that year.

Maybe I was exaggerating saying they were one of the most profitable because I don't know how profitable other teams were but I know they were loaning Newcastle and Cronulla money. As far as I know, if they were profitable, which I know they were, that would have made them one of the most profitable teams.

Something is seriously wrong with the recruitment down there. (I'm in Sweden now) The GC district has a huge junior league and they also get a lot of juniors from northern NSW. Not just the Tweed district but as far down as Byron Bay and west to Moree yet they still want to throw huge money at a 28 year-old halfback from Melbourne when they already have a halfback that may be well passed his best but is still ok. That after signing Idris and Myles with Bird already on the books. Hard to understand.
 

Reyter

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Yes I am - but it's what the population is comprised off that is more in question here.

You should visit there one day. I can't see any difference in the demographics between GC, Brisbane and Sydney. There may be some difference but it is very minor. It may have first become a city with a large population made up of the elderly (I don't know) but they have long since passed away. To say GC is a retirement village is like saying Australia is a penal colony.
 

Willow

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Well... I have to say, some people here are just making up stuff based on old perceptions and misinformation.
Perhaps another location in SE QLD would be better off??
There's 600,000 people on the Gold Coast. In 1998 it was 300,000.

Only Brisbane has a larger population in Qld. FTR, the third largest is the Sunshine Coast.

Where else should rugby league be promoted in Qld but in the largest population centres?
st.phil said:
This will be 5 times unlucky for the Gold Coast...it just does not work in that city.
Sorry, but that's utter nonsense.
st.phil said:
It's a transient city - or more accurately a town.
Same. More nonsense.

The Gold Coast is the sixth largest city in Australia. Larger than Newcastle, almost twice the size of Canberra, more than twice the size of Wollongong and three times larger than Townsville. Using your logic, every one of these 'towns' shouldn't have a team.
st.phil said:
The limited amount of people who DO put there roots down up there commonly follow other clubs.
Well you've already been proven wrong on the 'limited' front. But I can attest to moving there and supporting another team, but so what? We want rugby league in a city which is populated by rugby league supporters.... right?
st.phil said:
It does not seem to capture a populous that's interested.
Where are you getting all this bs from? The local media pumps the Titans more than any other sporting team. If not for the Titans, it would be the AFL team. I know what I prefer.
st.phil said:
You can have all the acadamys, centres and business models you like - Titans have been boosting there corwd figures from day 1. Maybe a "south brisbane" team would be more the ticket.
I agree there should be another SE Qld team. But not at the expense of the second largest city in Qld. Another Brisbane team would be the ticket. But aren't you worried about them failing? It's not the Crushers were a roaring success.

In any case, you can't just pluck new clubs out of the air. Sth Brisbane aren't organised enough. Ipswich and Redcliffe have better credentials but even they will be first to admit that it's a long way off.
Agree it is a retirement or holiday destination rather than a rugby league nursery.
Defintely a holiday destination, but your other perceptions are a little out of whack. With respect, you haven't been on the GC for a long time. Or maybe never. The population has doubled over the last decade and getting younger. Plus some of the largest RL clubs and schools in Qld are on the Gold Coast.
Even the name 'Gold Coast' conjures up images of sandy beaches, schoolies weeks and meter maids in cowboy hats.. Not a football team.
Beaches yes - but didn't know that was considered anti-league.

Schoolies - perhaps in a retirement village? I jest, but I think you'll find that is confined to Surfers Paradise once a year.

Meter maids are on the way out, not even council backed anymore. And again pretty much confined to Surfers.

Suffice to say, there's a lot more to the GC than Surfers Paradise. Just like there's a lot more to Sydney than Bondi Beach.
there are a lot of Asian folk
There are Asian people all over Australia. Makes for great restaurants. But BSE, just so you know, Asian people have been known to follow Rugby League as well.

I never understood the logic behind not trying to sell the greatest game of all to people simply because on their racial background.

For example, after a game at Kogarah, a few of us went to Hurstville and had soft shelled crabs in a Chinese restaurant. All the other diners were Asian and no English was being spoken. On the wall were two big TV screens showing a replay of the game and people were into it. It shoudn't be no surprise. After all, we were in Saints territory.

Yes I am - but it's what the population is comprised off that is more in question here.
That's a backpeddle but not a retraction.
I did not know that and also find it hard to believe - I seem to remember them playing to half empty Carrah (sic) stadium and finishing equal last with Wests in 98. Not even with Searle's creative accounting could they have spun a profit that year.
When the GC franchsie was given the boot (by the NRL at the direction of the Brisbane Broncos), they had money in the bank. So much so that they handed out loans. In particular, they gave the Newcastle Knights a loan.

And geez Phil, you can't even spell Carrara.

No offence, but if you want to sound like an authority, at least try to get up to speed on the facts.

Look, Searle has made some mistakes but he isn't alone there. All this talk about giving them the flick is pretty short-sighted imo, and akin throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

If any team should go, it should be the sharks. They should have relocated to the GC when the opportunity was in the wind.
 
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If any team should go, it should be the sharks. They should have relocated to the GC when the opportunity was in the wind.

Granted, all your points make perfect sense, but I just can't understand why the Gold Coast has had 3 cracks at establishing themselves and apparently failed each time, yet the Sharks have managed to survive, albeit only just, with all their shortcomings, for 45 years?

Surely something is not right in the region somewhere...

And who's to say the Sharks would have fared any better if they'd relocated there?
 
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