Golden Point Change

[petetheileet]

i think you put this idea up in the other thread and i agree its an awesome idea!

 

[eels_fan_01]

Have you really? Because I haven't. Most GP periods sees teams playing for field position in order to end the game with a field goal. Anasta caught the Tigers unaware last week because he chanced his arm. It worked & they won. Had he been tackled & the Tigers gone on to kick a FG the very next set, Anasta would have been roundly criticized.

What's wrong with it (GP) is that it bastardizes Rugby League. It elevates one facet of the game to a disproportionately important level. In some games I've seen you may as well bring the touch line 10m on either side as teams will rarely stray beyond those boundaries in trying to get from point A to point B in the most efficient manner.

The Roosters this weekend, the Cowboys this weekend both played how they would have played in the 80 minutes, no difference and they ended up scoring trys.

Ive seen in the last 10 minutes of games when its locked up both teams play like you have just expressed what you dont like, scrap the last 10 minutes of games then because you dont like it.

 

[Gus22]

The Roosters this weekend, the Cowboys this weekend both played how they would have played in the 80 minutes, no difference and they ended up scoring trys.

Ive seen in the last 10 minutes of games when its locked up both teams play like you have just expressed what you dont like, scrap the last 10 minutes of games then because you dont like it.

I disagree. The Rooster played more conservatively in GP than they did for the majority of regular time. They worked upfield for a FG only for Anasta to unexpectantly run the ball instead of kicking. I didn't see the Cowboys game so I can't comment. I did however see Cronulla & Parra take six or so FG attempts before Seymour finally landed one.

In normal time if a team kicks a FG with 5mins to go the game continues. It's not all over in one wobbly kick. They run the risk of handing the ball back to the opposition & losing the game to a last gasp try. That is the difference. That is exactly what a 2 point Tie Breaker period would bring to extra time.

 

[Azkatro]

Current ladder:

Club P PTS
1 Storm 21 38
2 Sea Eagles 21 36
3 Eels 21 26
4 Cowboys 21 26
5 Warriors 21 25
6 Bulldogs 21 24
7 Broncos 21 22
8 Wests Tigers 21 22
9 Rabbitohs 21 22
10 Roosters 21 21
11 Titans 21 20
12 Sharks 21 18
13 Dragons 21 18
14 Raiders 21 18
15 Knights 21 18
16 Panthers 21 14

Ladder if we applied this rule:

Club P PTS
1 Storm 21 38
2 Sea Eagles 21 36
3 Eels 21 27
4 Cowboys 21 26
5 Warriors 21 25
6 Bulldogs 21 24
7 Wests Tigers 21 24
8 Broncos 21 23
9 Rabbitohs 21 22
10 Titans 21 21
11 Roosters 21 21
12 Sharks 21 20
13 Dragons 21 18
14 Raiders 21 18
15 Knights 21 18
16 Panthers 21 15

Only change is Titans jump ahead of Roosters and Wests Tigers swap with Brisbane.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Give the loser 1 bonus point. That will not stuff anything up with points and there is no need to increase the value of wins.

Win - 2 points
Draw - 1 point
GP loss - 1 point

We just need one more column in the table.

	Club	          P	W	D	L	B	BP	F	A	Pts/Diff	PTS
1	Storm	         21	18	0	3	1	0	525	255	270	38
2	Sea Eagles	21	17	0	4	1	0	537	293	244	36
3	Eels	         21	12	0	9	1	1	489	431	58	27
4	Cowboys	         21	12	0	9	1	0	451	554	-103	26
5	Warriors	         21	11	1	9	1	0	509	374	135	25
6	Bulldogs	         21	11	0	10	1	0	512	428	84	24
7	Wests Tigers	21	10	0	11	1	2	476	470	6	24
8	Broncos	         21	10	0	11	1	1	435	364	71	23
9	Rabbitohs	         21	10	0	11	1	0	335	343	-8	22
10	Titans	         21	9	0	12	1	1	369	463	-94	21
11	Roosters	         21	9	1	11	1	0	379	548	-169	21
12	Sharks	         21	8	0	13	1	2	385	350	35	20
13	Dragons	         21	8	0	13	1	0	379	451	-72	18
14	Raiders	         21	8	0	13	1	0	465	576	-111	18
15	Knights	         21	8	0	13	1	0	362	604	-242	18
16	Panthers	         21	6	0	15	1	1	445	549	-104	15

 

[dragonfire]

Agreed. I think people fail to realise that the draw will be rubbed out of the game competely and thank god for that. Leave golden point exactly the way it is.

yes but a game of football is suppose to go for 80 minutes, after that period the game should be finished, im quite sure both the teams would be happy to go away with one point rather than lose in extra time. If they really want to make it fair it should be 5-10 minutes each way before golden point as you get no chance to get back at the other team. Penalty goals shouldnt be included in a golden point either

 

[The Engineers Room]

im quite sure both the teams would be happy to go away with one point rather than lose in extra time.

So give both teams the guarantee of at least 1 point and reward the winner with an extra point. Still gives the extra time something to play for but gives the loser some conselation.

 

[hrundi99]

In the NHL they ramp up the attack by taking a player per team off the ice. Knowing they have a point in their back pockets, teams tend to play more attacking hockey.

They do also play 82 regular season games fwiw...

 

[m0j0]

You can't have one game worth 3 points and another worth 2 points. It doesn't work like that.

Not necessarily. Just look at English Premier League. 3 points for a win or one point each for a draw. Granted there's heaps more draws due to the nature of soccer, but that's beside the point.

 

[The_Savage_1]

Not necessarily. Just look at English Premier League. 3 points for a win or one point each for a draw. Granted there's heaps more draws due to the nature of soccer, but that's beside the point.

i agree with yobbo. the EPL is different. i believe the lower total points for a draw is as a disincentive to draw and therefore an incentive to go for the win (at the risk of a loss).

in this instance, the proposed points will be greater for a draw. teams may be more likely to take a penalty to tie it up late in the game as they know that if it goes to GP they're guaranteed at least one point, instead of going for the win. i know they would be guaranteed the one point in yobbo's proposal but relatively speaking it is worth less.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

i agree with yobbo. the EPL is different. i believe the lower total points for a draw is as a disincentive to draw and therefore an incentive to go for the win (at the risk of a loss).

in this instance, the proposed points will be greater for a draw. teams may be more likely to take a penalty to tie it up late in the game as they know that if it goes to GP they're guaranteed at least one point, instead of going for the win. i know they would be guaranteed the one point in yobbo's proposal but relatively speaking it is worth less.

That's happening now anyway regardless of whether teams get a point or not.

Did you see Tigers V Roosters last Friday night? 76th minute Marshall penalty goal.
Sharks V Eels? Luke Covell 66th minute penalty goal (Did it to put them out by 6 encase the Eels scored.)
Should Michael Witt have gone for the try against the Roosters instead of kicking a field goal to send it into extra time?

Those are just examples that've come in the last week. Teams have always played for draws in the past if that's all they're likely to salvage late in the game. Now teams play for GP and a second chance at victory. Late match tactics haven't really changed at all.

 

[The_Savage_1]

That's happening now anyway regardless of whether teams get a point or not.

Did you see Tigers V Roosters last Friday night? 76th minute Marshall penalty goal.
Sharks V Eels? Luke Covell 66th minute penalty goal (Did it to put them out by 6 encase the Eels scored.)
Should Michael Witt have gone for the try against the Roosters instead of kicking a field goal to send it into extra time?

Those are just examples that've come in the last week. Teams have always played for draws in the past if that's all they're likely to salvage late in the game. Now teams play for GP and a second chance at victory. Late match tactics haven't really changed at all.

no doubt it's happening now, my point was that it would be even more likely to happen.

 

[caylo]

I think once golden point period has started, it should be played for the full 10 minutes. This way teams can score a field goal, but the game hasn't finished yet. Thus the other team still has an opportunity to equalise, or go score even more points than the other team. At the end of 10 minutes if the score are still equal, then the game ends as a draw.

this is what i would do. 10 (2 x 5 min halves) minute period of extra time, and if a draw then go into golden point. If you want to remove a draw remove it for good. We have had 4 draws since it was introduced.

 

[badav]

Get rid of the Golden Point Game Time.
What is so wrong with 1 point each after a draw.
I think it was only brought in because Wayne Bennett had a bitch about losing a SoO series because the 3rd game ended in a draw giving NSW a series win.

The state of origin series was tied giving QLD a win, after Dane Carlaw scored the try and Lote Tuqiri missed the conversion. Why would Wayne be unhappy with that. Next time maybe you should have some idea before posting as you've jumbled up the origin part, and obviously havent read any of Bennies comments on golden point in the last 2 years.