Gordon Tallis' beef

[kdalymc]

For example, considering Arthur Beetson played much of his league career at Balmain, Eastern Suburbs (as were then were) and Parramatta, are you saying he is not a Queenslander?

/thread.
Ffs

 

[JJ]

He never played for the cowboys

I've never played for the Kiwis or the All Blacks, but I am a New Zealander! Or, am I?

 

[butchmcdick]

Aright point taken

 

[Danish]

I've never played for the Kiwis or the All Blacks, but I am a New Zealander! Or, am I?

A new zealander thats not yet played for the kiwis?

That makes you a queenslander

 

[JJ]

A new zealander thats not yet played for the kiwis?

That makes you a queenslander

Hmm, James Tamou must have multiple personality disorder - a Kiwi, played for Nth Qld, NSW and Australia... not the Kiwis or Queensland :crazy:

 

[kdalymc]

TONIE CARROLL IS BOTH WAT THE f**kKKKK

 

[TheFrog]

I've just regained consciousness after playing a drinking game involving having a shot everytime Tallis says "talk me through...."

 

[beave]

Tallis is a NQer, no doubts about it.

But it's rather convenient he spruiks about it when he wants to of late but when it really honestly mattered in the mid 90's and he was asked by New$ to go back home to try to makes us be competitive, he turned his back on his home region. He says it in his book, he flat out refused to play for us and wanted to be coached by Bennett. And that's why a lot of NQ fans have an issue with him. I am the first to admit we were a f**king rabble for the first 5 years, but having someone like him at the club would have been huge and he has even said himself on radio last week that his biggest regret is not playing for the cowboys during his career. Damn shame because he would have been a cult favourite up home and would have made a massive impact on the field for us and inspired a lot of shit bag players we had at the time. I know we can't keep every single player from NQ but he was given the chance to come home on a silver platter (he would have been made the captain as well which is something else that would now burn him) and he turned us down. And then the whole Bennett saga when he was on our board, which was hilarious when he got called out about it on live TV a couple of years ago after a monday night game by a Stampede forum regular during the phone in thing they used to do. Watching him squirm and dance around it on live TV was delightful!!!

On Thaiday, he was never going to play for us because I know for a fact, the club thought he was a massive grub when he was a teen. From my understanding he was a known to really love to blue on the field and the club had did not want that type of player at the time in their ranks.

 

[Big Pete]

I have to disagree butch, he's a NQer' even if he did play for the Broncs.

For what it's worth, Gordie only hopped on the Cows bandwagon after they beat the Storm.
I've read Broncos fans getting butthurt about Tate too, didn't the Broncs not want Tate?

As the resident expert on all things Tate...

Basically there were three occasions where the Broncos didn't want Tate.

When he was a teenager, the Broncos were extremely high on Hodges and had him earmarked as their next superstar junior. Roosters come along, sign him up to a huge deal and tell him he's going to play fullback (which turns out to be a lie, he ends up behind Mullins, Phillips and Minichiello...) while the Broncos are left with second choice. Before then, Tate saw the writing on the wall and was headed off to the Bulldogs to link up with his brother in-law before Wayne started paying attention to him. Tate knocks back a better offer to stay under Wayne.

Then in 2007, Tate has a heart to heart with Wayne. For him to play his best footy, he has to play right centre, it's the only way he can play well. Wayne tried to accomodate for the move, which is why Brisbane started the year with Hodges at Fullback and K. Hunt at Halfback before it blew up in his face and Brisbane were 0-3 to start the year. It was pretty clear players needed to be moved on and since Bennett had the best right centre in the game, Tate had to go. So in 2008 he links up with his brother in law and really struggles to offer NZ anything until 2010.

Then in 2013, Tate got his manager to ask Brisbane whether they'd like his services for 2014. It'd be his last year but he'd like to go full circle. Considering the Broncos had signed a few players like that in Carlaw, Civoniceiva and Stagg only for them to pan out relatively poorly, Griffin knocks him back and decides to stick with Kahu, Copley, Vidot and Mills.

So yeah, he always sort of was the bastard red step-child of the Broncos but for fair reason. No shame in him supporting the Cowboys, even though it doesn't really endear him to the Broncos who honestly always saw him as the Nate Myles of Brisbane. Great in a Maroons jersey, but extremely inconsistent at club and could be an absolute hog.

As for Gordie, what ticks a lot us off is that he wants it both ways. He'll act as the resident Broncos expert but will never go into bat for the players and will often just dig into them. Always happy to soak up the glory and remind people he was a captain of the club but when things are bad, he'll distance himself from them. Also publicly joined the Titans campaign and ever since the Cowboys started firming as premiership favourites, has been quick to remind everyone where he comes from which is just really bogus.

I'll always respect him as a player and appreciate how well he's treated younger fans of the game, but he's got very little loyalty and is very quick to lash out at clubs who helped him out.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Roosters come along, sign him up to a huge deal and tell him he's going to play fullback (which turns out to be a lie, he ends up behind Mullins, Phillips and Minichiello...)

A couple of small points. Firstly, Hodges was never given that promise. Luke Phillips was the established first grade fullback and everyone knew it. Further he signed when Graham Murray was coach. By the time Hodges arrived for pre-season training in 2002, Murray was gone.

Secondly, behind Mullins and Mini? Brett Mullins never played fullback for the Roosters, his only season at the club he was exclusively on the wing.

By the time Luke Phillips got injured late in the 2002 season, we'd already lost Ryan Cross, one of our starting centres, for the season to a major leg injury. In fact by Round 8 we had around 15 first grade players laid up with injuries. That is what saw Hodges get his start in the centres, and by the time of Phillips' injury Hodges had played Origin due to his form as a centre. That was why when Phillips got injured, Chris Flannery was moved from the interchange bench to fullback and Hodges stayed in the centres as he had worked up a good combination with Mini on the wing.

Sorry for going off topic but I felt that needed clearing up.

 

[Big Pete]

A couple of small points. Firstly, Hodges was never given that promise. Luke Phillips was the established first grade fullback and everyone knew it. Further he signed when Graham Murray was coach. By the time Hodges arrived for pre-season training in 2002, Murray was gone.

Secondly, behind Mullins and Mini? Brett Mullins never played fullback for the Roosters, his only season at the club he was exclusively on the wing.

By the time Luke Phillips got injured late in the 2002 season, we'd already lost Ryan Cross, one of our starting centres, for the season to a major leg injury. In fact by Round 8 we had around 15 first grade players laid up with injuries. That is what saw Hodges get his start in the centres, and by the time of Phillips' injury Hodges had played Origin due to his form as a centre. That was why when Phillips got injured, Chris Flannery was moved from the interchange bench to fullback and Hodges stayed in the centres as he had worked up a good combination with Mini on the wing.

Sorry for going off topic but I felt that needed clearing up.

Murray was sacked just after the Roosters were eliminated in the finals with Sticky taking over a week or so later with Gould at the helm. At which point, plans changed and Hodges had to prove himself in a position he had never played before.

A few months later, Sticky brings back his former team mate (Mullins) who despite what you thought actually played fullback a few times in 2002.

Phillips at that point was on his last legs, everyone knew it, which is apart of the reason Hodges took the gig as the spot appeared all but locked up with Locky at the back for Brisbane.

 

[God-King Dean]

Let's not forget his actions at St George

Matthew Johns gave him a little drill about it a year or 2 ago

Matt: so why did you leave St George?
Tallis: it was.... The principal
Matt: what principal?
Tallis: it was just... The principal

 

[Captain Apollo]

Murray was sacked just after the Roosters were eliminated in the finals with Sticky taking over a week or so later with Gould at the helm. At which point, plans changed and Hodges had to prove himself in a position he had never played before.

A few months later, Sticky brings back his former team mate (Mullins) who despite what you thought actually played fullback a few times in 2002.

Phillips at that point was on his last legs, everyone knew it, which is apart of the reason Hodges took the gig as the spot appeared all but locked up with Locky at the back for Brisbane.

I stand corrected on the Mullins at fullback. I forgot the first few games in 2002 and Round 26.

Phillips on his last legs when we signed Hodges in 2001?! :lol: Mate Phillips wasn't even close to it at that stage, he was 26 years old at the start of the 2002 season.

Phillips' problems stemmed from the shoulder injury he picked up in Round 25 2002 which saw him miss game time thru till the preliminary final. He played the prelim against the Broncos and the GF with a bung shoulder which saw him have major surgery in the off season. He did not retire until mid-way thru 2003 when he realised he could not recover from the injury (Reference - http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/21/1050777211304.html).

 

[Hutty1986]

Let's not forget his actions at St George

Matthew Johns gave him a little drill about it a year or 2 ago

Matt: so why did you leave St George?
Tallis: it was.... The principal
Matt: what principal?
Tallis: it was just... The principal

I didn't know Gordie went to St George High. Or that he even passed primary school.

 

[God-King Dean]

Haha, how embarrassing

It's spelt Gordie m8

:sarcasm:

 

[Hutty1986]

Haha, how embarrassing

It's spelt Gordie m8

:sarcasm:

haha, I blame Geordie Shore for this. Quality television.

 

[Big Pete]

I stand corrected on the Mullins at fullback. I forgot the first few games in 2002 and Round 26.

Phillips on his last legs when we signed Hodges in 2001?! :lol: Mate Phillips wasn't even close to it at that stage, he was 26 years old at the start of the 2002 season.

Phillips' problems stemmed from the shoulder injury he picked up in Round 25 2002 which saw him miss game time thru till the preliminary final. He played the prelim against the Broncos and the GF with a bung shoulder which saw him have major surgery in the off season. He did not retire until mid-way thru 2003 when he realised he could not recover from the injury (Reference - http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/21/1050777211304.html).

Last year, I was dropped at the start of the year and I felt like retiring then but it was Brett Mullins, who was 31 and at the end of his career, who came in," Phillips said.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/21/1050777213940.html

Which was the perception.

He did well to fight back but it seemed like he was on borrowed time and Hodges was originally slated to be the fullback.

 

[Danish]

What does it matter that Hodges "only" played centre for the roosters? He only played centre for the Broncos as well FFS.

Hodges was just a whinging dog and Bennett got in his ear by illegally negotiating his return when Hodges took himself on a couple weeks unplanned holiday at the start of 2004.

Hodges never should have played a game for the Roosters after that, and the NRL should have stepped in and voided any contract that the Broncos attempted to put forth for Hodges to come back to them for negotiating with a still contracted player.

If Hodges had been dropped for the 2004 grand final like Stuart had wanted (Gould gazumped him) then who knows how that game would have panned out. There wouldn't have been some hung over jackass daring Mason to run at him all game for a start (Mason made 300m running at said hung over jackass and won the CC medal)

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

What does it matter that Hodges "only" played centre for the roosters? He only played centre for the Broncos as well FFS.

Hodges was just a whinging dog and Bennett got in his ear by illegally negotiating his return when Hodges took himself on a couple weeks unplanned holiday at the start of 2004.

Hodges never should have played a game for the Roosters after that, and the NRL should have stepped in and voided any contract that the Broncos attempted to put forth for Hodges to come back to them for negotiating with a still contracted player.

If Hodges had been dropped for the 2004 grand final like Stuart had wanted (Gould gazumped him) then who knows how that game would have panned out. There wouldn't have been some hung over jackass daring Mason to run at him all game for a start (Mason made 300m running at said hung over jackass and won the CC medal)

It was actually during the World 7's at the start of 2004. Hodges joined up with the Bronco's players at a drinking session in Sydney. Bennett got in his ear at that time to come home.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

Tallis is a NQer, no doubts about it.

But it's rather convenient he spruiks about it when he wants to of late but when it really honestly mattered in the mid 90's and he was asked by New$ to go back home to try to makes us be competitive, he turned his back on his home region. He says it in his book, he flat out refused to play for us and wanted to be coached by Bennett. And that's why a lot of NQ fans have an issue with him. I am the first to admit we were a f**king rabble for the first 5 years, but having someone like him at the club would have been huge and he has even said himself on radio last week that his biggest regret is not playing for the cowboys during his career. Damn shame because he would have been a cult favourite up home and would have made a massive impact on the field for us and inspired a lot of shit bag players we had at the time. I know we can't keep every single player from NQ but he was given the chance to come home on a silver platter (he would have been made the captain as well which is something else that would now burn him) and he turned us down.

Beave

You saw the Cowboys from day one, I'm curious as to what the team would look like if they were able to recruit all the best NQ talent in that 95-00 period. What would the starting line up if they got the likes of Tallis,etc.

How different would that being and would that been competitive compared to 3 wooden spoons/5 years (95-00).

In hindsight, the inaugural NQ team should have been a pseudo-NQ rep team comprise with the best NQ players in and out of the NRL along with marquee signings. Kinda like the same set-up the Broncos have as the psuedo-QLD team would of make them more competitive from the get go.