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Gould's Whinge In The SMH....

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Look, I had concerns with a player coming in at a level of administration that needed bussiness people at the helm. The difference was....I didnt have a chip on my shoulder, a score to settle or an agenda.

When I started reading this article I knew the old ARL story would get a run. Its just pathetic. His value as a commentator on the game is long gone.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/League/Its-stark-raging-madness/2005/01/22/1106334265492.html
It's stark raging madness
By Phil Gould
January 23, 2005
The Sun-Herald


There are no secrets in rugby league. We live in a very small world. You can be sitting, say, in a limousine driving around the Gold Coast, bagging someone you don't like in rugby league, and before you know it the content of your conversation floats through the stratosphere to the person you have been criticising.

And there is a lot of bagging going on in rugby league.

The game is still very much divided. Many go to great lengths to proclaim all is sweet and rosy. But even the brightest of rose gardens carries thorns and this garden is full of prickles.

If we needed more evidence of the division in the game, it was provided during the week with the announcement that News Ltd was nominating two new members to the NRL board - recently retired Broncos star Gorden Tallis and Katie Page, managing director of retailer Harvey Norman.

A lot of people in rugby league are bagging the appointment of Tallis. You won't hear them speak out publicly against Tallis's new position. Job security demands they toe the party line.
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Privately, though, there are plenty on both sides of the fence feeling more than a little embarrassed and even shocked about the in-your-face nature of this appointment.

I agree with them.

The appointment embarrasses our game. It puts the division in the game out there for all to see and gives a direct insight to other codes of the amateurish and self-serving way big decisions are made in league.

I have nothing against Tallis as a bloke, but my first reaction to the news he had been appointed to the board of the NRL was that it was a gee-up.

I just don't see Tallis in this kind of role.

What are his qualifications for a position of this importance?

What does it say about the criteria for selection on the NRL board that we virtually take off this bloke's dirty footy gear and sit him straight down in the boardroom to make decisions about the future of rugby league?

If I were sitting on the NRL board I might be thinking its status had just been reduced to token value and that perhaps it wasn't as important as I'd first thought.

If the NRL had said it wanted to make a position available on the board for a player representative and the players had elected Tallis to represent them, I would have said good as gold.

But that is not how Tallis has found his way on to the NRL board.

This appointment has come via a very different channel and for very different reasons.

I am not bagging Tallis. I am bagging his appointment.

I know very little of Tallis other than what we have seen on the football field.

He may make a very good board member. I will reserve judgement and give him a chance.

But Tallis has spent most of his professional life working off a coach's game plan.

Will he be working off his own game plan from now on?

My only real experience with him came 10 years ago during the week the Super League war broke out.

I was working at the ARL headquarters when Tallis and his manager came to discuss a possible contract with the ARL.

Tallis sat opposite, staring at me with what appeared to be a very untrusting look.

His manager said Gorden wanted $600,000 a year and an up-front payment of $300,000.

Although Tallis was showing a lot of potential, this was an unacceptable request. I told him the ARL was not paying Test players or even the Australian captain anything like that.

At that stage of his career Gorden was still playing interchange football off the bench with St George.

I told him I rated him as an emerging Origin player (he had played Origin off the bench in 1994) and that I could pay him accordingly. It was a lot less than the asking price, though. His manager said he had no option but to take him to Super League.

I then asked his manager to explain to Gorden that if he went to Super League he would not be selected in representative teams and would miss out on the opportunity to play Origin for Queensland and Tests for Australia. The ARL had made it perfectly clear that all defectors would be ineligible for representative football.

They left immediately, with Tallis giving me the eye as he walked off.

From that conversation, Tallis came to the conclusion that I had said he was nothing more than a bench player and would never be good enough to play rep football.

It was a very poor interpretation of our conversation and it would score zero out of 100 in a comprehension exam but it obviously suited Gorden to think that's what I had said.

As the song goes, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

He has even been quoted a number of times over the years as saying that my comments had inspired him to do better and all he'd wanted to do was prove me wrong.

He has also been quick to give it to me in the media any time he gets a chance. I guess he sees that as some form of getting square.

It was no skin off my nose.

I have been lied about by the best of them, so some misplaced barbs from Gorden Tallis did not register with me.


And to Gorden's credit he was always apologetic and quite congenial when I saw him in person at the games. He strikes me as a good bloke.

My concern about his appointment to the NRL board has nothing to do with anything he has said about me.

I just find it amazing that News Ltd has rewarded him with a place on the board less than four months after he retired from the game.

Why Tallis? Maybe the NRL genuinely thinks he will be a star. Maybe it thinks he will turn out to be the best administrator the game has had.

Or maybe it believes he shares the same view of the world as the faceless people who really control the game.
 

rabs

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It's stark raging madness
By Phil Gould
January 23, 2005
The Sun-Herald

His manager said Gorden wanted $600,000 a year and an up-front payment of $300,000.

Although Tallis was showing a lot of potential, this was an unacceptable request. I told him the ARL was not paying Test players or even the Australian captain anything like that.

correct me if I am wrong but didn't the top players get this kind of dough?

who knows maybe Gorden will knock some sense into the board, maybe they should lay down a white line at the boardroom door to trigger his mongrel
 

hitman82

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Top level league administration sounds like a rather murky world!
Pretty interesting articles though, it's weird to find myself sympathising with gould, if ever so slightly. :|
 

Greenblooded

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What a crock, just another opportunity for Gould to have a dig in a roundabout way at someone he doesn't like.
 

Southernsaint

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Greenblooded said:
What a crock, just another opportunity for Gould to have a dig in a roundabout way at someone he doesn't like.

So your happy with an unqualified, inexperienced footballer being on the board of the NRL??

I'd prefer someone a little more professional seeing as were locked in mortal battle with the AFL, ARU & A-League...
 

Timmah

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Once again IMO it's Gould being a total wank.
 

KFC

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Let me say just because I support Easts does not make me a Gould supporter.

However in this instance I have to agree with him.

I have met Gorden a couple of times and he is without doubt one of life's gentlemen.

But IMO playing footy was the right career move.
 

Timmah

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Southernsaint said:
Greenblooded said:
What a crock, just another opportunity for Gould to have a dig in a roundabout way at someone he doesn't like.

So your happy with an unqualified, inexperienced footballer being on the board of the NRL??

I'd prefer someone a little more professional seeing as were locked in mortal battle with the AFL, ARU & A-League...

Do you have Gorden's resume in your hand?

If not, the how the f**k can you profess to know if he's inexperienced or unqualified!?!
 

Greenblooded

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Southernsaint said:
Greenblooded said:
What a crock, just another opportunity for Gould to have a dig in a roundabout way at someone he doesn't like.

So your happy with an unqualified, inexperienced footballer being on the board of the NRL??

I'd prefer someone a little more professional seeing as were locked in mortal battle with the AFL, ARU & A-League...

SMH Website
"The appointment of Tallis has been mostly accepted in rugby league as a positive move because it places a recently retired player in a position to make decisions affecting the game.

But he won't be responsible for the larger issues as the NRL board - which consists of three nominations each from the Australian Rugby League and News - is responsible only for the day-to-day running of the premiership."

I think your being slightly melodramatic, its not like he is running the NRL, I think it is a good idea to have someone recently retired who is still in touch with the modern game helping make decisions regarding the game. Whether he is the right player is another issue all together.
 

Sir Clifford GC

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I agree with gould on this one.

Cast your minds back to 1996

Ian Roberts sits out the season because he has a contract with an ARL Club but wants to join a SL club.
Gorden Tallis sits out the season because he too has a contract with an ARL club but wants to be apart of super league and the broncos.

Now in 2005 Ian Roberts has a job on the NRL Judicary and Gorden is an NRL Board member payback time for sacrficing a season.

News Ltd Jobs for the boys.
 

nqboy

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Gould, like Wazza Ryan in the 80s, has always possessed the ability to bend words to make his agenda seem reasonable.

He makes a good point about the process, and it certainly does smack of News annointing a patsy, but that doesn't hide Gould's agenda. He hasn't forgotten the War and he isn't about to let anybody else do so.

I don't have the reservations about Tallis' lack of business acumen, the board is filled with businessmen who have that side covered. I applaud the appointment of a straight shooter who can tell these faceless rulers about the impact of their decisions onthe players who are providing the product.
 

The Whippet

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I agree with Gould on this one. I want the best qualified people for the job on the NRL board and Tallis is not one of these people.
 

Southernsaint

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dodge said:
Southernsaint said:
Greenblooded said:
What a crock, just another opportunity for Gould to have a dig in a roundabout way at someone he doesn't like.

So your happy with an unqualified, inexperienced footballer being on the board of the NRL??

I'd prefer someone a little more professional seeing as were locked in mortal battle with the AFL, ARU & A-League...

Do you have Gorden's resume in your hand?

If not, the how the f**k can you profess to know if he's inexperienced or unqualified!?!

Someone's taken the angry pills, haven't they...

Someone like Mark Coyne has extensive business experience, why he isn't being used by the NRL on the board is beyond me. Tallis has already made a joke about his appointment: "what do I wear??" pffft...

The appointment of Katie Page is a step in the right direction, IMO...
 

Iafeta

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I tend to agree with Gus on this.

Perhaps Gorden's appointment might be used to look into aboriginal player development though?? Just a thought.
 

griff

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You can criticise Gould for not towing the "don't mention the war" line but it is because of the war that Tallis has got this appointment. He is a News Ltd representative and a mate of Lachlan Murdoch's. This is why he got the job.

If they wanted to appoint a former player to the board there are plenty around with much more business knowledge, education and intelligence.
 

Sea_Eagles_Rock

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I heard Tallis tallking on the radio in Brisbane about the job. He was more concerned about getting a magazine and a cut lunch in his brief case then anything else. He appeared to have no career aspirations in the role.

Although I think Gould went overboard in the article, I think the overall point made is a valid one.

He is there to tow the News Limited line, and nothing more. He is just a face on a board with effectively no power. News had better hope he doesn't get passionate in a meeting about something they really don't want. His vote could be the difference.
 

gunnamatta bay

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So did the raging bull apply for this job? Did he have to prepare a resume and sit through an interview or was he head hunted and appointed with no regard as to what he might or might not be able to do for the organisation?
 

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