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Grand finalists in the NRL vs AFL for the last 21 Years....

Perth Red

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no heartland club gets as much financial assistance as either the suns or giants atm & the money the swans & lions got over the years ahead of clubs elsewhere was quite extraordinary

& no heartland clubs are given priority draft picks based on their post code either

my statement stands.

because they don’t need it, if they did they would. Like I said there are a number of heartland clubs that are getting substantially more funding that say the swans. If they need as much as the suns they’d get it. They have a variable grant system based on revenue shortfall needs.

fair call on the drafts though. They’ve decided, rightly or wrongly, that it’s better to help new clubs grow quickly through success. Nrl is more socialist and leaves everyone to fend for theMselves. You can say our system is fairer but as a business model it has been proven to be Failure for growing new clubs.
 

Travitoh

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fair call on the drafts though. They’ve decided, rightly or wrongly, that it’s better to help new clubs grow quickly through success. Nrl is more socialist and leaves everyone to fend for theMselves. You can say our system is fairer but as a business model it has been proven to be Failure for growing new clubs.

You can say that yet Melbourne Storm are possibly the most successful expansion team in a closed league over the past 20-30 years.
 

T-Boon

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RL is very simple at the moment (it never use to be with scrumming being a thing and the like) and that is why the best coach can stay on top for a long time with the model they have. I suspect AFL has nuances that another coach can work on to take dominance from the best team. It is depressing how NRL coaches have dumbed the game down.
 

mongoose

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prediction: NRL grand final will be a gruelling, absorbing contest. AFL grand final will be over at half time.
NRL grand final will have moments people will discuss for years, AFL grand final will be forgotten in a week and their media will talk about how great the metrics are, how much money the game made, how many new fans they have, how many clicks some website got, pretty much everything except what happened on the field.
 

Travitoh

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RL is very simple at the moment (it never use to be with scrumming being a thing and the like) and that is why the best coach can stay on top for a long time with the model they have. I suspect AFL has nuances that another coach can work on to take dominance from the best team. It is depressing how NRL coaches have dumbed the game down.

Hate to break it to you but the best coaches stay on top for long periods in all sports.
 

Perth Red

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You can say that yet Melbourne Storm are possibly the most successful expansion team in a closed league over the past 20-30 years.

Partly as they received $4.3mill extra grant a year for five years. Compare that to the Titans who were just left to fend for themselves. Shows that it works if you want your expansion to be successful and not a basket case I suppose.
 

typicalfan

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RL is very simple at the moment (it never use to be with scrumming being a thing and the like) and that is why the best coach can stay on top for a long time with the model they have. I suspect AFL has nuances that another coach can work on to take dominance from the best team. It is depressing how NRL coaches have dumbed the game down.
If quality coaching affects the NRL more than the AFL then doesn't that allude to the NRL being more tactical, not less...
 

Travitoh

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Partly as they received $4.3mill extra grant a year for five years. Compare that to the Titans who were just left to fend for themselves. Shows that it works if you want your expansion to be successful and not a basket case I suppose.

The Titans made the top 4 twice in their first 4 years. The Suns haven't been close to entering a final in 9 years.
 
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Partly as they received $4.3mill extra grant a year for five years. Compare that to the Titans who were just left to fend for themselves. Shows that it works if you want your expansion to be successful and not a basket case I suppose.
They got anywhere between $2-$5 million between 98-12, and $26.5 million between 13-18. Roy Masters said they might have been losing up to $8 million a year.

http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=2717

Melbourne Storm Financials
Periodically certain AFL leaning folks bring up the Melbourne Storms funds and debt profile over the years.

In 2010, Crikey noted that the Storm had been losing 6 million a year, with News covering the losses.

In 2012, the Australian Rugby League Commission guaranteed $26.5 million over the next six years to Melbourne Storm with the express aim to being “to keep the game thriving in Victoria”.

In March 2012, Roy Masters remarked that the Storm were losing 8 million a year.

In August 2013, Fairfax reported that the Storm had been overspending to the tune of between $2 million and $5 million for 15 years. This shortfall had been financed by News Ltd and the amount spent by the club does not seem to be falling since the salary cap scandal in 2010.

The Storm football club spent about $20 million a year, or about $2-$4 million more than most other clubs except for the wealthy Broncos. The new consortium of owners, led by New Zealander Bart Campbell, were projecting the club will break even in five years, which is a long time to be losing money.

In June 2015, Fairfax quoted Storm owner Bart Campbell.

“Our lofty aspiration is to be solvent – that meaning cash comes in, cash comes out and at the end of the year the books balance. We are not in that position yet, but we have funds so it’s not all woe is me, but we believe over time there will be a business in this town called Melbourne Storm that is solvent and if we make profits we will re-invest them.”

In August 2015, The Australian Financial Review reported that the Storm turned over about $25 million annually, a figure that put it in the top half of the league, and had a membership base of about 15,000 but average crowds of about 14,000.

The clubs owners also bought a local hotel with hope the facility will offset continued financial losses for the Storm, which effectively breaks even each season but only after receiving an additional $26.5 million over six years as part of the terms of News Corp, once owner of the club, exiting its half-stake in the NRL in 2012.

On September 30th, 2016 Storm partowner Matthew Tripp was quoted in the Australian Financial Review

“I think we are at the break-even stage now and we can be profitable next year,” Tripp told AFR Weekend. “But we are not necessarily in this for the money. This club has been built on a great culture … we’ve got those legends playing for us and a fantastic coach in Craig Bellamy. The leadership they show is fantastic, and they really set the standards for the younger guys coming through.”

References

 

Zadar

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Multiple premiers in 20 years

AFL

Hawks 4
Richmond 3
Geelong 3
Brisbane 3
Sydney 2
West coast 2

NRL

Roosters 4
Storm 2
Manly 2
Brisbane 2

penrith have the chance to join the doubles club on Sunday.
 

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