Great bowlers or terrible batsmen??

[franklin2323]

Lately we have seen bowlers make huge impacts. Philander 3rd 5 for in 3 tests. Cummins 6 on debut. Patterson. The pommie trio.

Is it a great new batch or is batting terrible? There doesn't seem to be the great young batsmen coming through just fast bowlers. Where's the leggies?

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Well if the likes of Jayawaradene, Samaraweera and Sangakarra have averages in the mid to high 50's then I say it is terrible batsman.

Those bowlers mentioned are good though.

 

[TheParraboy]

We have seen some bowler friendly decks in test cricket in recent times, unless your a Kallis or Dravid you dont know how to play test cricket on those decks

 

[anjado]

Lately we have seen bowlers make huge impacts. Philander 3rd 5 for in 3 tests. Cummins 6 on debut. Patterson. The pommie trio.

Is it a great new batch or is batting terrible? There doesn't seem to be the great young batsmen coming through just fast bowlers. Where's the leggies?

I think the pitches are getting better outside of the sub continent making it harder for batsmen. I also believe the fast bowling stocks have improved by quite a bit compared to say 5-6 years ago.

Australia

Harris
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon

England

Broad
Swann
Anderson
Tremlett

Pakistan * if it wasn't for stupidity

Ajmal
Asif
Gul
Aamer

New Zealand

Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult

South Africa

Morkel
Philander
Steyn
Tahir

West Indies

Taylor
Sammy
Edwards
Roach

Those are all relatively decent attacks and England have enormous fast bowling depth with Finn,Bresnan,Onions,Shazhad all test quality in my opinion.

Australia are also building some decent depth.

Pakistan i can't be fully sure about because i haven't seen there newer bowlers but if the other 2 weren't idiots they would have had an awesome bowling line up.

South Africa have Tsotsobe as a back up and he looks decent.

West Indies have there best bowling stocks since Ambrose and Walsh retired.

New Zealand are finally out of the O'brien,Tuffey,Franklin,Mills cycle that they were stuck in for a decade.

Only teams struggling are India who have to rebuild for the future. Even though Khan,Kumar and Sharma ain't a bad attack if they are all firing.

Sri Lanka have a bizarre selection policy by never picking Mendes who should surely play in every test and have lost Malinga. So they have basically lost 3 quarters of a potent attack coming off the back of losing Murali and Vaas.

Bangladesh are always terrible

Zimbabwe have Ray Price at least and might be able to produce some decent bowlers like they have in the past.

 

[dogslife]

Dravid's technique - Bore the opposition into submission, props to him though, it works

 

[Tom Shines]

I was very impressed with Phil Anders when we played the Saffers. And even Tahir was a good option — they're no substitute for a quality leg spinner.

Pattinson is all class though, and really does look the future of the Aussie pace attack. Jury well and truly out on Cummins however. Starc is just Shitchell with a different surname for mine.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

It's a legacy of 20/20 cricket. In that thing the bowlers still have to the basics - line and length with subtle variations with the odd change of pace. Batsmen however have to throw technique out the window to get runs at the required tempo. Although it's a batsmen's game the bowlers are the ones Benefitting in the true formats.

 

[Twizzle]

I'd say its more to do with the pitches.

Saffas playing on a green top like we just did in Bellrieve and the Gabba.

Wont be long till they roll out roads again.

 

[Hallatia]

here's a good statistical piece about this year in bowling. Doesn't make much mention of the really recent stuff

The tables won't come up properly if I try to post the text of the article here, so here's a link to it instead

Payback time for bowlers

 

[Thuggdogg.]

I think the pitches are getting better outside of the sub continent making it harder for batsmen. I also believe the fast bowling stocks have improved by quite a bit compared to say 5-6 years ago.

Australia

Harris
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon

England

Broad
Swann
Anderson
Tremlett

Pakistan * if it wasn't for stupidity

Ajmal
Asif
Gul
Aamer

New Zealand

Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult

South Africa

Morkel
Philander
Steyn
Tahir

West Indies

Taylor
Sammy
Edwards
Roach

Those are all relatively decent attacks and England have enormous fast bowling depth with Finn,Bresnan,Onions,Shazhad all test quality in my opinion.

Australia are also building some decent depth.

Pakistan i can't be fully sure about because i haven't seen there newer bowlers but if the other 2 weren't idiots they would have had an awesome bowling line up.

South Africa have Tsotsobe as a back up and he looks decent.

West Indies have there best bowling stocks since Ambrose and Walsh retired.

New Zealand are finally out of the O'brien,Tuffey,Franklin,Mills cycle that they were stuck in for a decade.

Only teams struggling are India who have to rebuild for the future. Even though Khan,Kumar and Sharma ain't a bad attack if they are all firing.

Sri Lanka have a bizarre selection policy by never picking Mendes who should surely play in every test and have lost Malinga. So they have basically lost 3 quarters of a potent attack coming off the back of losing Murali and Vaas.

Bangladesh are always terrible

Zimbabwe have Ray Price at least and might be able to produce some decent bowlers like they have in the past.

Yo man
sup.

i liked d analyis you have provided.

I also would like to add that Zimbabwe have 2 sick exciting playas coming through tha bowling ranks.

So far you has mentioned Ray Price, who is better than Daniel Vettori (at least in ODIs) in my opinion,

but you also have the greatest leg spinner under 25 according to some indian commentators- Graeme Cremer.

Cremer is a work in progress but its clear hes a star and will be as good as macgill.


Also in the fast bowling stakes you has Brian Vitori (first bowler 2 get 3 consecutive 5 fors firs t 3 innings) and Kyle Jarvis.

Kyle Jarvis excites me because he has full mad skills and is a cutout of glenn mcgrath (ex australian player) but is alot faster.

 

[Spot On]

I think the pitches are getting better outside of the sub continent making it harder for batsmen. I also believe the fast bowling stocks have improved by quite a bit compared to say 5-6 years ago.

Australia

Harris
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon

England

Broad
Swann
Anderson
Tremlett

Pakistan * if it wasn't for stupidity

Ajmal
Asif
Gul
Aamer

New Zealand

Vettori
Bracewell
Southee
Boult

South Africa

Morkel
Philander
Steyn
Tahir

West Indies

Taylor
Sammy
Edwards
Roach

Those are all relatively decent attacks and England have enormous fast bowling depth with Finn,Bresnan,Onions,Shazhad all test quality in my opinion.

Australia are also building some decent depth.

Pakistan i can't be fully sure about because i haven't seen there newer bowlers but if the other 2 weren't idiots they would have had an awesome bowling line up.

South Africa have Tsotsobe as a back up and he looks decent.

West Indies have there best bowling stocks since Ambrose and Walsh retired.

New Zealand are finally out of the O'brien,Tuffey,Franklin,Mills cycle that they were stuck in for a decade.

Only teams struggling are India who have to rebuild for the future. Even though Khan,Kumar and Sharma ain't a bad attack if they are all firing.

Sri Lanka have a bizarre selection policy by never picking Mendes who should surely play in every test and have lost Malinga. So they have basically lost 3 quarters of a potent attack coming off the back of losing Murali and Vaas.

Bangladesh are always terrible

Zimbabwe have Ray Price at least and might be able to produce some decent bowlers like they have in the past.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there. That said, it's been a while since Australia have had three bowlers work together as well as Pattinson, Hilfy and Siddle did this test. Their line and length was pretty much spot on. Hilfy a little down leg side at times but all in all a very good performance from them. Thank goodness that left arm imposter wasn't there to f**k it all up.

 

[beads6]

I'd say good bowling on helpful tracks with bad batting thrown in to make it worse.

 

[yappy]

I agree the pitches are playing a part. And a bloody good thing too. The test cricket this year has been fantastic. So much rather watching wickets going down and batsmen earning their runs.

That then brings the poor batting into focus. They are being found out because they aren't used to the moving ball or grafting.

Lastly the pitches are encouraging the bowler's but I think they are also a better bunch than say 3-4 years ago. Really like some of the young guys coming through and great to see some bowling depth coming on. The gamier pitches are encouraging these guys rather than grinding them down on roads.

So it's a bit of all three, but Pitches 1st, Poor techniques 2nd and Better Bowler's least I'd say.

 

[franklin2323]

spot on. Look at this summer. I am not taking anything away from the bowling. All 3 teams so far have bowled well.

However I can remember atleast 10 batsmen playing on. All times wide of the stumps all should of been cover drove to the boundary but no footwork & they are out.

 

[typicalfan]

Not surprising in the first test Ponting and Sachin stood out. On good pitches, ie pitches that offer something to everyone, the class players shine through. Pattinson can swing the ball and can bow 145km plus. Any bowler that can swing it 140 plus and keep it accurate will be a handful.

It makes for an enjoyable game because when a player picks up a 100 it is well earned.

 

[wittyfan]

Legendary bowlers!!!