Has Dylan a chance at the Judiciary- pleaded not Guilty

[MARSHALL ZHUKOV]

Dylan Napa has apparently thrown the dice and pleaded not guilty to the alleged shoulder charge will miss the finals series if unsuccessful- has he a chance of getting off- I cannot say it looked that bad - but not seeing it a few times maybe i missed something - players tend to get of if there is seperation between their arm and their body in relation to them making some attempt to make a tackle if i have this right. I feel a player should only be cited by the MRC for a shoulder charge which makes contact with the head not one that makes contact with the other players shoulder/body.

I dont know if Williams from the Dogs not being cited made up the Chookies mind the plead not guilty??

Apparently the alleged shoulder charge is at the 40 second mark of the following video- cannot be serious if he doesn't get off - nothing in it

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sp...6-including-roosters-dylan-napa-aidan-guerra/

 

[BCH]

I think the issue will boil down to whether or not the charge warranted being a grade 2 shoulder charge. If not, then he should be exonerated. I recall Mini being charged with a high tackle a few years ago and the MRC stuffed up & charged him with the wrong offence. He argued successfully against the charge and got off completely. Hopefully the same can happen here.

 

[TheFrog]

I think the issue will boil down to whether or not the charge warranted being a grade 2 shoulder charge. If not, then he should be exonerated. I recall Mini being charged with a high tackle a few years ago and the MRC stuffed up & charged him with the wrong offence. He argued successfully against the charge and got off completely. Hopefully the same can happen here.

If that can happen the system needs to change. I think 4 weeks is a bit stiff for the tackle, but he should get a week or two. On the other hand Guerra deserved much more than 1 week for his grubby effort, in my view.

 

[infidel rooster]

The system is a joke when Tony Williams and Steve Matai have no case to answer . what a f**king farce! Napa has been singled out for no reason.

 

[Headless Chook]

Ken oath he should fight it. If there's any semblance of sanity left in the judiciary he will get off and he should get an apology from them for wasting his time.

 

[Valheru]

I think the issue will boil down to whether or not the charge warranted being a grade 2 shoulder charge. If not, then he should be exonerated. I recall Mini being charged with a high tackle a few years ago and the MRC stuffed up & charged him with the wrong offence. He argued successfully against the charge and got off completely. Hopefully the same can happen here.

Yeah but this is slightly different I think, Mini got charged with offence A when he should have been charged with offence B. It?s hard to argue that Napa didn?t commit a shoulder charge. The grading is way too harsh but I am not sure if he will get off completely.

 

[TheFrog]

Ken oath he should fight it. If there's any semblance of sanity left in the judiciary he will get off and he should get an apology from them for wasting his time.

Maybe a free shoulder charge on Saturday as well?

 

[The Chello]

Weird - it seemed a definite shoulder charge but 4 weeks? Guerra's tackle was worse than a 1 week ban. fighting it is interesting, not sure how he can fight the charge when it appears obvious or is he fighting the grading? He has some talent but lacks a bit of brains young Napa, he can surely be aggressive in his tackling without reverting to the shoulder charge, he's big enough!

 

[Chook]

Yeah but this is slightly different I think, Mini got charged with offence A when he should have been charged with offence B. It?s hard to argue that Napa didn?t commit a shoulder charge. The grading is way too harsh but I am not sure if he will get off completely.

That's the point though, he was charged with a grade 2 and if successfully defends that grade 2 charging than he is exonerated. The panel can only find him guilty or not guilty of the grade 2. They can't find him not guilty of the grade 2 but guilty of a grade 1. That's my understanding anyway.

Chook.

 

[ek999]

First time I have seen that. That isn't a grade 2, I don't think he even made any contact with the head and he bounced out if and kept going. Was actually a pretty poor effort by Napa TBH

 

[TheFrog]

That's the point though, he was charged with a grade 2 and if successfully defends that grade 2 charging than he is exonerated. The panel can only find him guilty or not guilty of the grade 2. They can't find him not guilty of the grade 2 but guilty of a grade 1. That's my understanding anyway.

Chook.

If that's correct, then they need to change it, because it's just stupid. If you challenge a grade 2 and they decide its a grade 1 you should be guilty of a grade 1 but without the penalty for taking it to the judiciary.

Unless they are looking for ways of letting guilty players off, of course.

First time I have seen that. That isn't a grade 2, I don't think he even made any contact with the head and he bounced out if and kept going. Was actually a pretty poor effort by Napa TBH

The Souths bloke was bleeding from the nose immediately after the hit. It looks to me like he made contact and pretty solid it was too.

First time I have seen that. That isn't a grade 2, I don't think he even made any contact with the head and he bounced out if and kept going. Was actually a pretty poor effort by Napa TBH

Maybe he's doing what he is told.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Found guilty.

Oh gee what a surprise.

He should have argued that he feared for his life.

Grade 1 shoulder charge and will miss 2 weeks.

 

[fowlster]

Found guilty.

Oh gee what a surprise.

He should have argued that he feared for his life.

Grade 1 shoulder charge and will miss 2 weeks.

and he had to put food in his kids mouths ...

 

[mxlegend99]

Definitely guilty of a shoulder charge (several really, but not exactly dangerous tackles imo). No idea that's a 2 week ban and Guerra only gets one week for a more dangerous incident, Luke got nothing for an incident that was more dangerous, Reynolds got 3 weeks for 3 incidents that were all worse. The star players get slaps on the wrist when big games are coming up. Lesser known guys like Napa and Latimore get worse punishments for incidents that are barely even worth a penalty.

Shoulder charge penalties are a joke. It's not dangerous unless there's contact with the head, and that's the only time it should warrant a penalty. Along with hefty suspensions. A good hit with shoulder on chest contact should be allowed. Far less dangerous the wrestling tackles and gang tackles. There might be less wrestling if big hits weren't punished. Would allow more one on one tackles, defensive lines wouldn't need to waste time getting set.

 

[BCH]

What I would like to know is that if the charge had been a grade 1 to begin with, would Napa have only missed 1 match with an early plea (he may not have with loadings, but that's beside the point)?. If so, then there is something terribly wrong with system if the MRC charges for the wrong offence, the player has to plead not guilty and then if unsuccessful argues a downgrade but without the benefit of a discount for an early plea. Doesn't seem right if that's the case. But I may be wrong.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Definitely guilty of a shoulder charge (several really, but not exactly dangerous tackles imo). No idea that's a 2 week ban and Guerra only gets one week for a more dangerous incident, Luke got nothing for an incident that was more dangerous, Reynolds got 3 weeks for 3 incidents that were all worse. The star players get slaps on the wrist when big games are coming up. Lesser known guys like Napa and Latimore get worse punishments for incidents that are barely even worth a penalty.

Shoulder charge penalties are a joke. It's not dangerous unless there's contact with the head, and that's the only time it should warrant a penalty. Along with hefty suspensions. A good hit with shoulder on chest contact should be allowed. Far less dangerous the wrestling tackles and gang tackles. There might be less wrestling if big hits weren't punished. Would allow more one on one tackles, defensive lines wouldn't need to waste time getting set.

Agreed with pretty much everything.

Remember Inglis' brutal shoulder charge to Dean Young's head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdtb-_3MTE

Inglis missed just three games for this incident. Napa will miss two games after his innocuous hit.

Clearly, the big name stars are protected.

I especially found reading this hilarious... Souffs wanted one week and were angry!

Nick Ghabar, representing Inglis, had pushed for the charge to be dropped to grade two, meaning a one-match suspension.

That was rejected.

The judiciary panel of Chris McKenna, Michael Buettner and Mal Cochrane took just 10 minutes to agree to a grade three.

Inglis, Souths chief executive Shane Richardson, coach Michael Maguire, football manager Mark Ellison and media manager Jeremy Monahan stormed out of Rugby League Central in anger after the one-hour hearing.

They obviously wanted a one-match ban for Inglis.

The Souths contingent brushed straight past the waiting media, refusing to comment. Richardson was seen shaking his head in frustration throughout the hearing.

 

[Valheru]

What I would like to know is that if the charge had been a grade 1 to begin with, would Napa have only missed 1 match with an early plea (he may not have with loadings, but that's beside the point)?. If so, then there is something terribly wrong with system if the MRC charges for the wrong offence, the player has to plead not guilty and then if unsuccessful argues a downgrade but without the benefit of a discount for an early plea. Doesn't seem right if that's the case. But I may be wrong.

That si exactly what I was thinking. Surely the process shouold be that if a grading is challenged successfully the player then has a chance to submit another plea for the new grading. As it was he was found GUILTY of a grade 1 so either he pled innocent to that or there is no chance for a 2nd plea for the new charge

 

[RoosTah]

What a f**king joke! I saw Matai put a late shoulder charge on in the Penrith game that looked far worse than Napa's and they some how ruled he tackled him properly.

 

[TheFrog]

What a f**king joke! I saw Matai put a late shoulder charge on in the Penrith game that looked far worse than Napa's and they some how ruled he tackled him properly.

I don't believe the Matai shoulder charge connected with the head, spectacular though it was. The player (Watene-Zelezniak) was fine afterwards (and trust me if DWZ had been hit high I would be screaming louder than anyone). The Rabbitohs player was wobbly and bleeding from the nose. That was the difference. Perhaps this needed to be spelt out by the review panel when not charging Matai so that impressionable young thugs like Napa don't incorrectly think you are now allowed to maim your opponents.

 

[BCH]

I don't believe the Matai shoulder charge connected with the head, spectacular though it was. The player (Watene-Zelezniak) was fine afterwards (and trust me if DWZ had been hit high I would be screaming louder than anyone). The Rabbitohs player was wobbly and bleeding from the nose. That was the difference.

That Rabbitohs player was wobbly all night...