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Hastings

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I don’t think winning 3 games a season is acceptable, much of it attributable to spectacular failure from our second rates halves.

Brooksy was happy to take his marquee pay check and deliver factory performances for most of his games.

Hastings is a better half than any of the pretenders we strutted out this year.

His goodwill and fan communications are the envy of a lot of players. Gracious, humble and honest.

3 games…I’m not budging.
 

Woody90

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If Ponga misses the year the Knights are battling us for the spoon. Hastings wouldnt have changed our fortunes at all this year.

Knights fan here: can’t agree with this. We won quite a few games to start the year without Ponga, including against teams now in top 8 and took Panthers to golden point. Hastings (and Gamble) were instrumental in that.


Hastings isn’t the perfect halfback, and he wouldn’t be close to one of the first chosen if you were starting a new team, but for a club like the Knights or Tigers who aren’t going to land an elite half, he makes a big difference. We were really lucky you guys let him go, as I don’t think he would have left the Tigers voluntarily, really wanted to stay by all accounts.

Anyway I hope you guys turn it around at some point. Always liked the Tigers and I feel like Knights and Tigers fans share the unique understanding of the pain associated with supporting a club that is consistently a mess year after year.
 
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Knights fan here: can’t agree with this. We won quite a few games to start the year without Ponga, including against teams now in top 8 and took Panthers to golden point. Hastings (and Gamble) were instrumental in that.


Hastings isn’t the perfect halfback, and he wouldn’t be close to one of the first chosen if you were starting a new team, but for a club like the Knights or Tigers who aren’t going to land an elite half, he makes a big difference. We were really lucky you guys let him go, as I don’t think he would have left the Tigers voluntarily, really wanted to stay by all accounts.

Anyway I hope you guys turn it around at some point. Always liked the Tigers and I feel like Knights and Tigers fans share the unique understanding of the pain associated with supporting a club that is consistently a mess year after year.
Vic’s forgotten more about footy than I will ever know, but I think hes a bit off here.

He must have ate some mushrooms or something.

Thank you for visiting and sharing kind thoughts.
 
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I just think Hastings would have had better options near the opposition try line than Brooks, but it’s all hypothetical, so now Brooks has gone and we start a new chapter.
A lot easier on the pocket.

Let us digress and look at the current contractual differences between Cleary at 1.3m and Brooksy at 1.1m.

And we work out that Nate costs 16% more.

And then compare the calibre of player.

My guess is that Brooksy is not at 84% of Nates smugnificence.

And certainly Manlys deal at 700 puts him at about 53% of Nate in value.

And we can work out that our offer to Brooksy was even less than this-thanks to Lees 360 appearance.

He didn’t mention the figure, but Brooksy and his robber baron manager felt insulted to the point of a tanty where he didn’t even get back to us. Boo Hoo!

So I assume our offer was half or less of Nate which seems to me is closer. And in a rare display of unity, I backed Fulton and the club 100% with the unusual and shock decision to add some actual truth into our r&r. Knocked over!!

Brooksy sought a release, at least twice, rumoured to be three times, last season to Newcastle and we botched it badly by sending Hastings.

I suspect that last year, Brooksy got wind that the good financial times were coming to an abrupt end.

Hes cashed in his venerated Wests Tigers eternal old boy status for the difference between his 700 and our offer. It’s very ordinary after the massive overs he’s been paid for years and years.

It was one of the few remarks Lee made in that 360 interview I could fully connect with and shared his dim view of Brooksy.

Tim’s strategy of talking him up achieved very little. In fact the outcome was that he left lol. Another stellar effort from SuperCoach.

I think Seibs has got a lot of work to do on him to keep him consistent. I think it’s impossible.

I don’t hate or despise Brooksy, but I’m glad he’s on his way. There’s a solid snout we don’t need.

Manlys problem now. They’ve got no idea I think. If he proves me wrong, all power to him, but he won’t.
 
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Vic Mackey

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Vic’s forgotten more about footy than I will ever know, but I think hes a bit off here.

He must have ate some mushrooms or something.

Thank you for visiting and sharing kind thoughts.
Hahaha I wish mate

the reason I much I prefer this forum to the official one is that when we have disagreements theyre discussed with valid points from both sides in a (generally) respectful manner. On the other forum it turns into shit slinging immediatel.

I don’t rate Hastings and aren’t fussed that he left, others do and that’s cool, I get it even though I dont agree with it.
 

Das Hassler

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We lost Hastings about this time last year to a hipdrop...doesn't look like it'll slow the Knights down too much but you gotta feel sorry for Hastings sitting out another season's end due to someone else.
On today's game....if we'd have had even one game as bad defensively as the dogs were today then i'd completely give up on the future of the club...they are genuine spooner hopeless...Ciraldo will have untill Easter 24...if he's really lucky
 

Vic Mackey

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We lost Hastings about this time last year to a hipdrop...doesn't look like it'll slow the Knights down too much but you gotta feel sorry for Hastings sitting out another season's end due to someone else.
On today's game....if we'd have had even one game as bad defensively as the dogs were today then i'd completely give up on the future of the club...they are genuine spooner hopeless...Ciraldo will have untill Easter 24...if he's really lucky

We’re better then saints and dogs and closer to being a top contender then either of them.

agree bad luck for Hastings, hope he’s back for the finals, knights didn’t seem to miss a beat without him
 

Das Hassler

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We’re better then saints and dogs and closer to being a top contender then either of them.

agree bad luck for Hastings, hope he’s back for the finals, knights didn’t seem to miss a beat without him

Agreed...I said it as a joke a few days ago but we're probably one of the only wooden spooners to not give up on the season ....dogs deadset looked the picture of abject misery and despondency ....typical way for spooners to go into an off-season...maybe I'm a bit too glass half full but I'd rather be us than them


AND.....I lost money on us....not them! lol
 
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There was some cheap footy by the dogs, not much knuckling down when required.

All those nonsense plays.

They’ve got a lot worse this season by the looks of things. I don’t think Gus will stand for it.
 

Vic Mackey

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Agreed...I said it as a joke a few days ago but we're probably one of the only wooden spooners to not give up on the season ....dogs deadset looked the picture of abject misery and despondency ....typical way for spooners to go into an off-season...maybe I'm a bit too glass half full but I'd rather be us than them


AND.....I lost money on us....not them! lol

We have the basis of a decent team, 80% of our problems are the 6 and 7. We’ve got 3 new ones coming in next year. Whether they are the fix or not I have no idea, but they couldn’t be any worse then the guys who have been there the last 2 years.

Dogs are an absolute mess, have thrown huge money at under performing players, meanwhile let go JMK last year and Alverio this year who have probably been their best 2 players. It’s insane.
 
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I’m not taking the last few games as representative of what we have been about this year.

The start of the year gave me more hope, because I thought we could at least change a lot of things in our control. Then it kind of fizzled out. The foot has been off the pedal this year for various reasons.

Why Daine wants to languish in panthers reserves is a mystery. Once you start flying a bit, you don’t want go backwards.

The cheap shot on the try scorer sums up the dogs season. Goose shot I thought. Unneeded and imbecilic. Hip drop, ffs give your fans a break!
 

Das Hassler

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We have the basis of a decent team, 80% of our problems are the 6 and 7. We’ve got 3 new ones coming in next year. Whether they are the fix or not I have no idea, but they couldn’t be any worse then the guys who have been there the last 2 years.

Dogs are an absolute mess, have thrown huge money at under performing players, meanwhile let go JMK last year and Alverio this year who have probably been their best 2 players. It’s insane.
Agree....agree and......agree!
 
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We have the basis of a decent team, 80% of our problems are the 6 and 7. We’ve got 3 new ones coming in next year. Whether they are the fix or not I have no idea, but they couldn’t be any worse then the guys who have been there the last 2 years.
No idea about next year as well Vic but watching extended replays of the past few rounds and in particular how Laurie has gone, I think the Sullivan signing is Benji saying he wants Sullivan, to play what's in front of him, off the cuff stuff, ably 'controlled' by Seizer when there needs to be leadership and control.

As you said, couldn't be any worse than the guys who have been there.
 
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$ usually has something to do with it TSP
Interesting, I’d be surprised though.

He wants to play 4 games of nrl all year?

Has that stench of Ryles and Wighton about it.

I thought he was homesick. His Aunty is from smugland, I’ve met her, nice lady.

Hes a kid at heart I think.

We weren’t in a big hurry to retain him.

I always look at a notional “return on investment “ in a footy player. You have to consider what value they add for their price.

And of course, what the club invests in them.

And curb or modify that expectation per injury or other distraction.

So I get very very excited by a Bula type on the factory cash and not too keen on a lazy Brooksy.

But I’m glad we don’t have any Latrell types. Very very expensive players.
 
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Nutz

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Interesting, I’d be surprised though.

He wants to play 4 games of nrl all year?

Has that stench of Ryles and Wighton about it.

I thought he was homesick. His Aunty is from smugland, I’ve met her, nice lady.

Hes a kid at heart I think.

We weren’t in a big hurry to retain him.

I always look at a notional “return on investment “ in a footy player. You have to consider what value they add for their price.

And of course, what the club invests in them.

And curb or modify that expectation per injury or other distraction.

So I get very very excited by a Bula type on the factory cash and not too keen on a lazy Brooksy.

But I’m glad we don’t have any Latrell types. Very very expensive players.
Good points mate and I have to apologize for short post as I was in doctors waiting room without my reading glasses ha ha.
Laurie is a proud indigenous fella as you know and young bloods like him love mates and he has a few at Penrith.
I'm sure if we offered set $s and Penrith offered the same he would be back there playing second fiddle opposed to second fiddle with us.
However he has a manager, which used to be Matt Desira, and if he's worth his weight he would advise him accordingly. Which might be to go back to a well structured club and increase his worth.
What actually transpired is guesswork from me.
 

Nutz

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Seasons end I’ll present my list of value-for-money players.

It will be an interesting exercise. Hopefully we’ve retained them!
I look forward to reading it TSP.
I've always loved the Josh Currans and Jackson Ford type players and it's one of the reasons why the Warriors are doing so well imo.
We do however have a similar pack that's still building.
You must admit we don't have trouble getting around the paddock but turning it into points when in the red zone has always been an issue.
We've certainly added a few ⅝'s to our team.
Did you know DaSiva was a ½ in pathways? He still looks like he can handle that spot if need be so I think he is a shoe in benchie as he could cover all the ball playing roles.
I expect the last two games to have him, Feledy and James given a lot of minutes plus others.
Hang on does that make sense....If it does then it won't happen the way the tigers operate.
 

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