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No it was obvious from his comments. If he thought he was guilty he wouldn’t have admitted to what he did while pleading not guilty.
I see. Do think that Clive Palmer is genuine in all his litigation or just rolls the dice because he reckons he has a chance ?

Criminal law is no different. If you think that merkins plea not guilty or appeal guilty verdicts based on genuine beliefs, then I have a harbour bridge to sell you.
 
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My issue with the Hayne matter, is not that he’s not a complete degenerate f**ktard, but that the process seems unsafe and they have persecuted him like no tomorrow.

I’m not satisfied he’s been dealt with fairly by the state of New South Wales.

He’s a cretin and he’s beyond stupid, but that’s not a crime.
 

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I see. Do think that Clive Palmer is genuine in all his litigation or just rolls the dice because he reckons he has a chance ?
Palmer can bear the cost of his gambles. He isn't going to jail. Are you implying Hayne took a calculated risk around raping someone? He went there because he thought she was up for it, and never stopped thinking that.
Criminal law is no different. If you think that merkins plea not guilty or appeal guilty verdicts based on genuine beliefs, then I have a harbour bridge to sell you.
He admitted to rape while claiming it was consensual. His testimony was what got him convicted. He just doesn't understand consent.
 
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Palmer can bear the cost of his gambles. He isn't going to jail. Are you implying Hayne took a calculated risk around raping someone? He went there because he thought she was up for it, and never stopped thinking that.

He admitted to rape while claiming it was consensual. His testimony was what got him convicted. He just doesn't understand consent.

Hand shoots up in class:

You can’t have “consensual rape” Sir.
 
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My issue with the Hayne matter, is not that he’s not a complete degenerate f**ktard, but that the process seems unsafe and they have persecuted him like no tomorrow.
What process was unsafe? The only unsafe behaviour reported during the legal process was from his "supporters" toward the victim.

If anything Hayne seemed to bring much of the legal persecution on himself, due to constant appealing over what were deemed trivial matters.
I’m not satisfied he’s been dealt with fairly by the state of New South Wales.

He’s a cretin and he’s beyond stupid, but that’s not a crime.
It seems over the course of his various trials and guilty verdicts, Hayne's been given the sentence that was originally deemed appropriate.

The one I feel sorry for (apart from Hayne's victim, of course) is Hayne's wife - if she still is that... After he's squandered all the money on legal fees trying to squirm out of something he should have known wasn't on, I wouldn't be surprised if she moved onto greener pastures.
 

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Palmer can bear the cost of his gambles.
The context was that Palmer and Hayne were in a position to roll the dice because the had the funds to do so. I dare say that the majority of merkins up for rape would have legal aid defending them. Hayne briefed Margaret Cunneen SC FFS.

Are you implying Hayne took a calculated risk around raping someone?
Nope

He went there because he thought she was up for it, and never stopped thinking that.

Yes, but her evidence suggests otherwise. The jury believed her version. So is it what happened or did he convince himself that’s what happened ?


He admitted to rape while claiming it was consensual. His testimony was what got him convicted. He just doesn't understand consent.

Actually I’m pretty sure his testimony was something to the effect that he could tell that she wasn’t fully into it, but he thought that after a while of going down on her that she’d come around ?

The crimes act bangs on about being being “reckless” with consent. Sounds like to me he was.
 
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He admitted to rape while claiming it was consensual. His testimony was what got him convicted. He just doesn't understand consent.
First sentence yes.

Second sentence... it was his actions that ultimately led to his charges and conviction - but his testimony was the testimony of a sexually entitled f**ktard.

And third sentence, yes - I suspect he still doesn't understand consent, unless Bubba has since taught him what he needed to learn.
 
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What process was unsafe? The only unsafe behaviour reported during the legal process was from his "supporters" toward the victim.

If anything Hayne seemed to bring much of the legal persecution on himself, due to constant appealing over what were deemed trivial matters.

It seems over the course of his various trials and guilty verdicts, Hayne's been given the sentence that was originally deemed appropriate.

The one I feel sorry for (apart from Hayne's victim, of course) is Hayne's wife - if she still is that... After he's squandered all the money on legal fees trying to squirm out of something he should have known wasn't on, I wouldn't be surprised if she moved onto greener pastures.
He’s entitled to appeal, he didn’t design the system.

He won at appeal level, he can’t be too wrong can he?

The state often calls it quits after a few rounds.

They kept coming at him and coming.

Its too much persecution of an individual for mine.

Forget about his character. I’ve never seen the state of nsw stomp on someone so hard.
 
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He’s entitled to appeal, he didn’t design the system.

He won at appeal level, he can’t be too wrong can he?

The state often calls it quits after a few rounds.

They kept coming at him and coming.

Its too much persecution of an individual for mine.

Forget about his character. I’ve never seen the state of nsw stomp on someone so hard.
None of which answers why you thought the process was unsafe?

He's entitled to appeal, but you can't appeal and then claim the resulting new trial means "they kept coming".

He actually won and lost on appeal - of the four grounds (reasons) he claimed an appeal, the appeal judge dismissed the main two, and only granted a new trial based on two lesser technicalities. At that point the writing was on the wall, but is seems Hayne (and his well paid legal team) might have been too stupid (or greedy) to realise (or care).

Personally I'm happy for the state of NSW to stomp on anyone found guilty (twice, by juries of their peers) of sexual assault without consent. I think Hayne got off relatively lightly.
 
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If the appeal process is not exhausted, we cannot be sure of the illegality of his conduct.

The legal system provides for this opportunity and he should be dealt with the same as anyone else.

I keep having to cite the figures on this site, more than 11% of accused’s in NSW do not get convicted for whatever reason.

For better or worse, we have a legal system.

Once we start chomping away at it, we end up in Nazi Germany.

Haynesy sucks, but due process and fairness is critical. I’m not sacrificing that belief to nail the bitch.

I read he’s only spent 4/5ths of his wealth so far, but that’s daily mail crap.

Will have to drive a Corolla soon like SBF.
 
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If the appeal process is not exhausted, we cannot be sure of the illegality of his conduct.
My understanding is that he has one further appeal process left to him - but there is a threshold for new evidence that must be met before that appeal can be granted.

His team was big on talk that he would be taking that up, but there has been precious little action and I suspect the time frame for that appeal will shortly lapse - especially after the upcoming result of the civil case (with lower burden of proof) against him.
The legal system provides for this opportunity and he should be dealt with the same as anyone else.
He is being dealt with the same as everyone else, and has resumed serving the sentence he was given before previous appeals. If anything, he received special treatment to be out on bail during those retrials.
I keep having to cite the figures on this site, more than 11% of accused’s in NSW do not get convicted for whatever reason.
And Jarryd is among the 11% that was convicted - and convicted twice on these charges in fact.
For better or worse, we have a legal system.

Once we start chomping away at it, we end up in Nazi Germany.
No-one's chomping away at any aspect of the legal system. Hayne has not been treated unfairly at all.
Haynesy sucks, but due process and fairness is critical. I’m not sacrificing that belief to nail the bitch.

I read he’s only spent 4/5ths of his wealth so far, but that’s daily mail crap.

Will have to drive a Corolla soon like SBF.
Maybe there is enough wealth then for his wife to wait for him on the other side... but there was talk (in the desperation of the sentencing hearing) that she might have to move to the country as a result of jailed Hayne's fall in income/wasted legal expenditure.
 
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My understanding is that he has one further appeal process left to him - but there is a threshold for new evidence that must be met before that appeal can be granted.

If you are right, who is to say he cannot meet that threshold?

It’s not his legal system, he’s entitled to peruse his right


His team was big on talk that he would be taking that up, but there has been precious little action and I suspect the time frame for that appeal will shortly lapse - especially after the upcoming result of the civil case (with lower burden of proof) against him.

They will hold up the civil matter the criminal matter is discharged. Fair enough too.

He is being dealt with the same as everyone else, and has resumed serving the sentence he was given before previous appeals. If anything, he received special treatment to be out on bail during those retrials.

He’s not a flight risk, he should apply for bail again, up to his appeal. He hasn’t taken off previously. He can wear a leg bracelet thing.

And Jarryd is among the 11% that was convicted - and convicted twice on these charges in fact.

Convicted unfairly at first instance and because he’s lodged his appeal, we don’t know about the legality of the second.
No-one's chomping away at any aspect of the legal system. Hayne has not been treated unfairly at all.
His conviction was overturned on appeal. He appeal court said the finding at first instance was junk and unfair to him.

Maybe there is enough wealth then for his wife to wait for him on the other side... but there was talk (in the desperation of the sentencing hearing) that she might have to move to the country as a result of jailed Hayne's fall in income/wasted legal expenditure.

It’s not wasted, it’s a worthy cause to exercise your rights and fight for freedom.
 

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He’s not a flight risk, he should apply for bail again, up to his appeal. He hasn’t taken off previously. He can wear a leg bracelet thing.
Often when I talk to clients, we talk about what makes “commercial sense”.

So let’s say that Hayne is granted leave for appeal and that it is heard mid 2024. We are talking about a matter that would potentially cost him $200k and by the time if he is found not guilty in August or September 2024, save himself …… 5 months in jail.

What is he gaining here; a) criminal record YES, b) reputation NOT REALLY, C) financially NOPE.

At the moment he is already looking at a civil case that he will be hard placed defending.

Is he really in place right now to keep digging his heels in and fighting for his innocence ? He’s not exactly on death row.
 
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If you are right, who is to say he cannot meet that threshold?

It’s not his legal system, he’s entitled to peruse his right
Hayne and his team's lack of action speaks volumes about whether there is any new admissible evidence to justify an further appeal. Remembering their previous appeal lost on its two main attempted grounds (and only gained the retrial on minor technicality).

No-one's saying he can't pursue the final appeal, but the fact he's in jail with nothing doing (other than the civil case starting) also speaks volumes.
They will hold up the civil matter the criminal matter is discharged. Fair enough too.
I suspect the civil matter will proceed, because as previously stated I predict his well paid legal team will shortly indicate there won't be any final appeal.
He’s not a flight risk, he should apply for bail again, up to his appeal. He hasn’t taken off previously. He can wear a leg bracelet thing.
Why would the courts approve bail when he's serving a sentence? The courts graciously gave him three weeks bail between verdict and sentencing - a luxury not usually granted to your average sexual assault offender.
Convicted unfairly at first instance and because he’s lodged his appeal, we don’t know about the legality of the second.
Has he lodged his second appeal? I don't believe so, but might have missed it...
His conviction was overturned on appeal. He appeal court said the finding at first instance was junk and unfair to him.
The first trial was overturned for a re-trial, based on minor technicaility in instructions to the jury. However the conviction was never found to be junk and unfair to him...

The link to the appeal judge's findings has been provided earlier in this thread, I suggest you familiarise yourself with the full detail.
It’s not wasted, it’s a worthy cause to exercise your rights and fight for freedom.
If you have any evidence to suggest that you are entitled to freedom... or rights beyond that of a (twice) convicted criminal.

Even Pou got this one right - Hayne didn't meet his responsibility to know what consent was, and his testimony in the trial and appeals indicated he still doesn't know that he breached sexual assault laws.

Look forward to continuing the convo when Hayne's team confirm they are not appealing, and the NRL takes the miserable merkin's individual awards away from the record books.
 
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Often when I talk to clients, we talk about what makes “commercial sense”.

So let’s say that Hayne is granted leave for appeal and that it is heard mid 2024. We are talking about a matter that would potentially cost him $200k and by the time if he is found not guilty in August or September 2024, save himself …… 5 months in jail.

What is he gaining here; a) criminal record YES, b) reputation NOT REALLY, C) financially NOPE.

At the moment he is already looking at a civil case that he will be hard placed defending.

Is he really in place right now to keep digging his heels in and fighting for his innocence ? He’s not exactly on death row.

Not every consideration in life dances to the beat of the self enrichment drum.

Proving his innocence and avoiding further gaol time overcomes the broader financial considerations. I understand that tbh.

Winning the criminal law case, will offer some kind of fight against the civil one.

It’s not total, due to he different tests, sure. But he’s in real trouble in the civil courts if he goes down.

And the civil one, if successful, may wipe him out.

So in a sense, his broader financial interests are probably served by his Appeal and making a good fist of that.

A fighting chance.
 
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Hayne and his team's lack of action speaks volumes about whether there is any new admissible evidence to justify an further appeal. Remembering their previous appeal lost on its two main attempted grounds (and only gained the retrial on minor technicality).

No-one's saying he can't pursue the final appeal, but the fact he's in jail with nothing doing (other than the civil case starting) also speaks volumes.

I suspect the civil matter will proceed, because as previously stated I predict his well paid legal team will shortly indicate there won't be any final appeal.

Why would the courts approve bail when he's serving a sentence? The courts graciously gave him three weeks bail between verdict and sentencing - a luxury not usually granted to your average sexual assault offender.

Has he lodged his second appeal? I don't believe so, but might have missed it...

The first trial was overturned for a re-trial, based on minor technicaility in instructions to the jury. However the conviction was never found to be junk and unfair to him...

The link to the appeal judge's findings has been provided earlier in this thread, I suggest you familiarise yourself with the full detail.

If you have any evidence to suggest that you are entitled to freedom... or rights beyond that of a (twice) convicted criminal.

Even Pou got this one right - Hayne didn't meet his responsibility to know what consent was, and his testimony in the trial and appeals indicated he still doesn't know that he breached sexual assault laws.

Look forward to continuing the convo when Hayne's team confirm they are not appealing, and the NRL takes the miserable merkin's individual awards away from the record books.
He is reported to have filed his appeal in late September.

I could ask my friends in the court system if they are allowed to tell me. I will report back.
 
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