Held up in goal - rule change

[ibeme]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

 

[Canterbury]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

\\/ yippie

 

[Once Dead]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

That rule change is freakin stupid.....might as well do it every time....sounds like the gang mentality....you hold him back while i go in an rip into him.......1 on 1 yes......not 2 or 3 on 1........this is not street footy

 

[PB]

i like the first rule not the second. how many times are we going to see a ball stripped just before or just after the referee says he has called "held".

And what about the conjecture of whether the player is in the ingoal or the field of play when the ball is stripped! Leave it at you cant strip or you can strip, anywhere on the field.

 

[ibeme]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

That rule change is freakin stupid.....might as well do it every time....sounds like the gang mentality....you hold him back while i go in an rip into him.......1 on 1 yes......not 2 or 3 on 1........this is not street footy

It's designed to stop instances where the player is flailing around ball carrying arm trying to score a try, with very little concern for ball security, and the opposition are powerless to go for the ball because they're not the only tackler.

It'll encourage ball security, which is something that is lacking nowdays.

 

[Once Dead]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

That rule change is freakin stupid.....might as well do it every time....sounds like the gang mentality....you hold him back while i go in an rip into him.......1 on 1 yes......not 2 or 3 on 1........this is not street footy

It's designed to stop instances where the player is flailing around ball carrying arm trying to score a try, with very little concern for ball security, and the opposition are powerless to go for the ball because they're not the only tackler.

It'll encourage ball security, which is something that is lacking nowdays.

If a guy blatantly strips the ball thats plain to see and the video ref should be able to see that.......this ball security reason doesn't wash with me.....if it gets knocked out by a non-intended knock to the arm or ball then its fine......but it reeks of another dumb rule change which is going to open up a whole can of worms.......

 

[Grantwhy]

I read this morning that the held up in goal rule is going to change next year.

Instead of rewarding a scrum to the attacking team on all but the last tackle, it will be a play the ball to the attacking team 10 metres out. The tackle count will not restart, so the attacking side doesn't get penalised with another set of tackles after having pulled off a remarkable try-saving tackle.

Another change is that players will be able to strip the ball in the in-goal area to prevent a try being scored, regardless of the number of players in the tackle. Another good change.

That rule change is freakin stupid.....might as well do it every time....sounds like the gang mentality....you hold him back while i go in an rip into him.......1 on 1 yes......not 2 or 3 on 1........this is not street footy

It's designed to stop instances where the player is flailing around ball carrying arm trying to score a try, with very little concern for ball security, and the opposition are powerless to go for the ball because they're not the only tackler.

It'll encourage ball security, which is something that is lacking nowdays.

If a guy blatantly strips the ball thats plain to see and the video ref should be able to see that.......this ball security reason doesn't wash with me.....if it gets knocked out by a non-intended knock to the arm or ball then its fine......but it reeks of another dumb rule change which is going to open up a whole can of worms.......

I think the change is:

In that situation the Ref/Video Ref can't give a penalty try, but they can still give a penalty *and* if it was a case of striping the ball i'd expect(hope) the player/s who did so would get 10 in the bin.

 

[Simo]

Im actually the other way round!

I like the held up rule as it is and love the excitement and lift when your team holds up a player over the line and then stands up again and defends for another set of 6 denying the attack a try!

I totally agree with the stripping in goal rule.

When your defending a player who goes over the line it is a scramble to hold the player up and stop him from scoring. The best way to do this is to get your hands on the ball.

At the moment a player doing this is penalised if the ball comes loose, but what other option does he have? There isnt enough time like say mid field to say 'gee you hold him whilst i move in and take the ball'

It is a split second desperation to stop him planting the ball. If it comes loose then thats alright with me, as its silly to basically say you cant touch the ball as he is going to score.

 

[Mark Rudd]

I HATE the held up rule. Its slightly better now, but why oh why it was changed from the old rule I'll never know.


If the defending team defends its balls off, it STILL doesnt get any advantage. The attacking team still has the ball. As oppossed to the old rule where the defending team got the ball back. Which would make teams defend twice as hard knowing they will get the ball back if they do everything in the power to stop the ball being put down.

Well, I liked it anyway.

 

[Simo]

I HATE the held up rule. Its slightly better now, but why oh why it was changed from the old rule I'll never know.


If the defending team defends its balls off, it STILL doesnt get any advantage. The attacking team still has the ball. As oppossed to the old rule where the defending team got the ball back. Which would make teams defend twice as hard knowing they will get the ball back if they do everything in the power to stop the ball being put down.

Well, I liked it anyway.

Yeah there are some fair points there Mark, I personally dont hate either but thats just my opinion.

The downside to the defenders getting it back is instead of driving the players back off the line in excitement i think they will start to drag them over in numbers to ensure they get the ball back.

Maybe the new solution is the best of both worlds. I think 10 meters back though and keeping the same tackle count will fell funny as everyone will stop and just walk back and just continue like the last play never happened!

 

[bender]

I HATE the held up rule. Its slightly better now, but why oh why it was changed from the old rule I'll never know.


If the defending team defends its balls off, it STILL doesnt get any advantage. The attacking team still has the ball. As oppossed to the old rule where the defending team got the ball back. Which would make teams defend twice as hard knowing they will get the ball back if they do everything in the power to stop the ball being put down.

Well, I liked it anyway.

The old rule was changed because it was ridiculous. The defence is rewarded by holding a player up, they dont have 4 points against their name. The attack should not be penalised for trying to score.

Consider this, player a gets the ball 5m out on the first and drags a 3 players over the line but is held up. Under the old rule his side is penalised by loss of possessionl. Player 2 gets it 5m out puts in no effort and is tackled. His side is in a better position because they have 5 more tackles. The new rule seems to be a pretty good compromise.

 

[Tupac Shakur]

Yeah the stripping rule is pretty shit, everyone will do it now and it will cause some dramas between clubs and match officials i bet and it will be in the media alot. I didn't see that in the paper though but i seen the article about the Held up in-goal rule.. :?

 

[Mark Rudd]

Why shouldn't you be rewarded for holding a player up? Its great if its your team that does it.

The attacking team get enough help with the completely idiotic benefit-of-the-doubt rule.


Since when can you just assume the players scored if you cant see if he has? If you cant tell - No try.

 

[supersoniceagle]

The strippig rule is really stupid in my opinion. I'm not impressed :evil:

 

[Bring it home Knights]

This new held up rule sounds great to me. There is to many points scored in league these days. This should help cut it back a touch.

 

[gaterooze]

The no penalty try for a strip rule change is a good one -- they made it to avoid inconsistencies in ref calls. A penalty and possible sin-bin for professional foul is plenty disadvantage for a strip over the line, without getting into penalty tries.

The held-up rule change, I honestly don't know whether it's better or worse. I like it when a team sustains pressure, but that can still be achieved by grubber kicks. I guess it will force teams to take smarter last-play options on the line rather than just bashing over and hoping for the best -- but again, sometimes I like that!

HOWEVER, this last change has only been proposed, and has been referred to the ARL & RLIF, so it may not happen anyway.

My disappointment lies with the fines for kickers who take too long. I'm not sure if this will work or not -- sure, it will make the ganme go quicker for fans in the audience, but it'll be really hard to tell who is fair dinkum and who isn't. Why shouldn't Schiff or Webb or Haz be allowed to take time to settles down and go through their regular routine. I preferred the idea of a shot clock -- they get one minute and then it's time off.

 

[Simo]

I preferred the idea of a shot clock -- they get one minute and then it's time off.

I have to agree with you there. What happenes in a game like Bulldogs V Newc or Newc V St G when the player has an after the bell shot to win the game. He will have to rush and maybe loose the game or take his time and cop a fine.