Heres to David Gallop and the NRL Board.

[Knownothing]

The ATO has some of the best auditors/investigators in the nation, and yet every small business cheats on its tax by understating income and pocketing cash from the till. That is more or less what has been going on in Melbourne.


I have done some auditing, and I know that it is very difficult to find and prove the sort of cheating that appears to have gone on at the Storm - even if you have the investigative powers that the ATO has. I certainly would not blame the NRL's auditors who do not have those sorts of powers - their presence is more of a deterrent than anything, and that is why the book needs to be thrown at miscreants whenever fraud is detected.


Unless those rorting the system are complete dills, the only sure way to unearth proof is to find a whistleblower.


All players should be required to sign a statutory declaration every year to the effect that the salary they are contracted to receive is all they did actually receive - in cash, kind, or any other way. Then, if they still cheat, they are risking serious charges. That might make them, and their shyster player agents, think twice.

 

[chrisD]

All players should be required to sign a statutory declaration every year to the effect that the salary they are contracted to receive is all they did actually receive - in cash, kind, or any other way. Then, if they still cheat, they are risking serious charges. That might make them, and their shyster player agents, think twice.

Watch the players association ark up at the idea.

 

[Jose93]

This years competition was messed up by the Storm cheating. Had the cheaters been caught before a game had been played Gallop may have had some room to move, but they weren't.

News are the reason for the salary cap, but not for the reason you think. A close competition helps not only News, but everyone. Gallop quite clearly does not want to have reigned over the NRL in a time that will be remembered for it becoming the Panthers, Dragons, Broncos and Newcastle big four competition. Not on his watch. And any effective means to stop this from happening will always be open to fraud, especially fraud as deceitful and calculated as what the Storm have committed.

There may be better ways, and it's worth discussing at a later date, but the chance of someone cheating the system is always going to be there unless you choose to allow the NRL to become a big four competition like the Premier League, that's what it boils down to.

You and people like you think inside a bubble, rattling off ideas from the top of your head without considering all the pressures from all the sides involved in the situation. It's getting irritating.

No, the competition was well and truly messed up when Gallop didn't think through his punishment for this year. If the team can't gain a single point and can't fit under the cap, then please tell me their use in this competition? But that can also be justified with the need for x amount of games per week for News Limited. It's ok, because I'm going to laugh at one team who's going to lose because of losing to the "illegal" team beating them twice and finishing ninth, missing out by 1 win.

 

[chrisD]

No, the competition was well and truly messed up when Gallop didn't think through his punishment for this year. If the team can't gain a single point and can't fit under the cap, then please tell me their use in this competition? But that can also be justified with the need for x amount of games per week for News Limited. It's ok, because I'm going to laugh at one team who's going to lose because of losing to the "illegal" team beating them twice and finishing ninth, missing out by 1 win.

They had to maintain the same team that 5 teams had already lost to for the rest of the season, that is why they must play on as is. It's about the fairest possible way for the NRL as a whole, it's not pretty but this is it.

The biggest shortfall of the current solution is that some teams have to play Melbourne twice, even with this inequity it is still the best solution.

 

[matt]

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard.

Do you people still not get it?

David Gallop has caused this mess. David Gallop has been in this job for 8 years, and for 5 of them salary cap breaches of the biggest kind just slipped by the net from a club run by his own employers?

He's stripped Premierships and Minor Premierships. Great, but he won't re award them because under Gallop's theory, if you lost to the cheats you can't possibly be declared the winners.

He's preventing Melbourne Storm from getting any points for the rest of the season. Great, but he's still letting the "illegal" team compete and in all likelihood possibly win more games than anyone else this season. And as Gould has ranted on, do you lot not realise the implications on the play offs this could have? I'll tell you why Melbourne Storm are still playing in this competition, for the benefit of News Limited - his employers. The same News Limited who own Fox Sports. The same Fox Sports who would have one less game a week if Melbourne Storm were banned for the rest of the season.

You all think something has happened. Nothing has really. Waldron's long gone, he's not going to bother us again. Gallop's not giving any teams the Premierships they deserve. Gallop's fined his own employers - the biggest joke of all. And the worst thing for you all to have to realise, at this rate, if just some of this group of Storm players stick together like is possible, they're going to win the 2011 competition. I'm happy to start getting rid of a few now if they want - Inglis can go first. He should have been banned last year anyway according to some on this forum.

Gallop should have got the NRL a better TV deal. Oh wait, he can't, as he loves Channel Nine and his own employers.

Gallop should have got the Storm broadcast into Melbourne a lot better.

Gallop can't be bothered to sack Robert Finch. You know, the man who's referees have assisted the Storm in winning two Premierships. Anyone remember Slater's penalty last year? History might have changed if not for the clowns in charge now anyway.

Have your love for David Gallop. Then think what he's actually done here.

Now that is the bigger picture...well played.

 

[Brutus]

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard.

Do you people still not get it?

David Gallop has caused this mess. David Gallop has been in this job for 8 years, and for 5 of them salary cap breaches of the biggest kind just slipped by the net from a club run by his own employers?

He's stripped Premierships and Minor Premierships. Great, but he won't re award them because under Gallop's theory, if you lost to the cheats you can't possibly be declared the winners.

He's preventing Melbourne Storm from getting any points for the rest of the season. Great, but he's still letting the "illegal" team compete and in all likelihood possibly win more games than anyone else this season. And as Gould has ranted on, do you lot not realise the implications on the play offs this could have? I'll tell you why Melbourne Storm are still playing in this competition, for the benefit of News Limited - his employers. The same News Limited who own Fox Sports. The same Fox Sports who would have one less game a week if Melbourne Storm were banned for the rest of the season.

You all think something has happened. Nothing has really. Waldron's long gone, he's not going to bother us again. Gallop's not giving any teams the Premierships they deserve. Gallop's fined his own employers - the biggest joke of all. And the worst thing for you all to have to realise, at this rate, if just some of this group of Storm players stick together like is possible, they're going to win the 2011 competition. I'm happy to start getting rid of a few now if they want - Inglis can go first. He should have been banned last year anyway according to some on this forum.

Gallop should have got the NRL a better TV deal. Oh wait, he can't, as he loves Channel Nine and his own employers.

Gallop should have got the Storm broadcast into Melbourne a lot better.

Gallop can't be bothered to sack Robert Finch. You know, the man who's referees have assisted the Storm in winning two Premierships. Anyone remember Slater's penalty last year? History might have changed if not for the clowns in charge now anyway.

Have your love for David Gallop. Then think what he's actually done here.

That's a mighty good post.

There was no way they were going to turf the Storm out of this year's comp with 8 games per week required for TV.

 

[The EELiminator]

Because it's his job to put a salary cap auditing system in place that is fool proof.

no auditing system is 100% fool proof and none could ever be while people are actively looking for ways to bypass it

What does David Gallop do with his time that he couldn't have managed this? DO TELL ME.

so the storm management did all the cheating but this is somehow david gallop's fault for not catching them sooner? but i bet you would be the first one screaming blue murder if they were accused of cheating the cap without any proof and found innocent

Same goes for 2006 and 2008. Brisbane and Manly won the competition. Losing teams to Melbourne Storm in the play offs never had a chance either there. Someone won - just find someone who wants to take the trophy. Please, at the moment it feels pointless.

whose fault is that? and if you hand parramatta the trophy what about the broncos who lost the prelim final to the storm? this isnt about one grand final it affects every team who have played the storm and even the ones who haven't by keeping players illegally they stopped other teams from picking them up

Either option is better than the one currently. Take your pick as you please. I'd have the club starting from -6 points if it were up to me. All points gone so far plus 1 for every round. Get the team under the cap.

its very easy to say get the team under the cap but what happens to the players you let go? they are still under contract to the storm you cant just sack them and tear their contracts up, well considering they were being paid under the table so to speak im not sure how legal their contracts are right now but thats a lawsuit for another time

News Limited suing News Limited. I look forward to it. :sarcasm:

you keep throwing out this news limited = nrl analogy but they are in fact two separate organisations

I don't think it's as impossible as many would think.

time will tell

And you think the AFL fta broadcasters want to show some games in Sydney? I think not.

i really dont give a flying f**k about afl or who shows it

Something useful.

no no no you dont get off with a glib one-liner on this one:
you are now david gallop, you have just been told all the details of the storm cheating the salary cap, you have a press conference in a few hours and you have to decide what action to take. GO

 

[mickdo]

Because it's his job to put a salary cap auditing system in place that is full proof. What does David Gallop do with his time that he couldn't have managed this? DO TELL ME.

Yeah, just like laws against murder stop everyone killing each other :lol:

 

[Fui!!!]

And as for the like part, maybe I wouldn't have messed this years competition up.

And Once again you dodge the question.

Yet you, and everyone else who thinks Gallop made the wrong decision, have failed to put forward a solution, let alone a workable, fair solution.

 

[The EELiminator]

And Once again you dodge the question.

Yet you, and everyone else who thinks Gallop made the wrong decision, have failed to put forward a solution, let alone a workable, fair solution.

because there is no workable fair solution he could either disadvantage 15 legal teams or 1 illegal team he chose the latter if any storm fans would prefer their team to be suspended for the 2010 season thats fine by me

 

[chrisD]

They dodge every meaningful counter-argument, they just rant nonsense then pat each other on the back.

 

[Loudstrat]

This is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard.

Do you people still not get it?

David Gallop has caused this mess. David Gallop has been in this job for 8 years, and for 5 of them salary cap breaches of the biggest kind just slipped by the net from a club run by his own employers?

So how is it Gallops fault? Is he supposed to have a water diviner for finding bodgey documents buried in a backyard? It takes the ATO ages to find some tax rorts. Think of the teeth they have, and insurance companies and banks, to detect fraud compared to the NRL ffs!

He's stripped Premierships and Minor Premierships. Great, but he won't re award them because under Gallop's theory, if you lost to the cheats you can't possibly be declared the winners.

The fact that Manly and Parra don't want them has escaped you hasn't it f*ckface!

He's preventing Melbourne Storm from getting any points for the rest of the season. Great, but he's still letting the "illegal" team compete and in all likelihood possibly win more games than anyone else this season. And as Gould has ranted on, do you lot not realise the implications on the play offs this could have?

Yes. 8 fair teams compete. What a disaster.....:roll:

I'll tell you why Melbourne Storm are still playing in this competition, for the benefit of News Limited - his employers. The same News Limited who own Fox Sports. The same Fox Sports who would have one less game a week if Melbourne Storm were banned for the rest of the season.

No team has ever been kicked out for any other reason than insolvency or premiership rationalisation. Neither applies here.

You all think something has happened. Nothing has really. Waldron's long gone, he's not going to bother us again. Gallop's not giving any teams the Premierships they deserve. Gallop's fined his own employers - the biggest joke of all.

That took courage and guts

And the worst thing for you all to have to realise, at this rate, if just some of this group of Storm players stick together like is possible, they're going to win the 2011 competition. I'm happy to start getting rid of a few now if they want - Inglis can go first. He should have been banned last year anyway according to some on this forum.

Yes it's possible. If they win it fairly, good luck to them

Gallop should have got the NRL a better TV deal. Oh wait, he can't, as he loves Channel Nine and his own employers.

He might have if they didn't have to pump $66 million into Melbourne.

That equals an extra $1 million per club per year over the last four years - when that $66 million was shovelled into Melbourne. All of a sudden, SBW, Gasnier, cutie, Bedurus etc are still with their clubs.

Gallop should have got the Storm broadcast into Melbourne a lot better.

The Storm shouldn't have campaigned against it - remember the telethon ffs?

Gallop can't be bothered to sack Robert Finch. You know, the man who's referees have assisted the Storm in winning two Premierships. Anyone remember Slater's penalty last year? History might have changed if not for the clowns in charge now anyway.

Sorrry, I'm lost. Explain how Robert Finch contributed to your salary cap rort?

As I have stated elsewhere..I agree with the sanctions but why did it take Gallop's staff 5 years to find this ??.

He needs to be looking at their audit processes and the ability of the auditors in general.

Why? What do you expect if the ATO didn't pick it up?

Anyway, the question is not why Gallop didn't kno, it is WHY YOUR CLUB CHEATED IN THE FIRST PLACE???????

 

[Jose93]

So how is it Gallops fault? Is he supposed to have a water diviner for finding bodgey documents buried in a backyard? It takes the ATO ages to find some tax rorts. Think of the teeth they have, and insurance companies and banks, to detect fraud compared to the NRL ffs!

Exactly, the resources available. The incredible two man team. If you can't work with greater transparency, which is what's needed by all teams, then we are going to be wasting our time. The chances are, and many of you won't like this, that Melbourne Storm were not the only "cheats" in that 5 year period.

The fact that Manly and Parra don't want them has escaped you hasn't it f*ckface!

Well if they don't want them Bellamy and the players do. So do tell me again, the point of stripping them?

Yes. 8 fair teams compete. What a disaster.....:roll:

But that's not my point. If the 9th placed team has played the Melbourne Storm twice, and lost twice. And the 8th placed team has played the Melbourne Storm once, say when they decide to rest players, and won, you're left in a situation where Melbourne Storm are affecting the competition. And for the example I'm making, say it's down to points difference. The "illegal team" stopping others from progressing is good, is it?

No team has ever been kicked out for any other reason than insolvency or premiership rationalisation. Neither applies here.

And no team had ever been stripped of Premierships until last week, so what's your point?

That took courage and guts

No, it wasted our time tbh listing that.

Yes it's possible. If they win it fairly, good luck to them

Well thank you.

He might have if they didn't have to pump $66 million into Melbourne.

That equals an extra $1 million per club per year over the last four years - when that $66 million was shovelled into Melbourne. All of a sudden, SBW, Gasnier, cutie, Bedurus etc are still with their clubs.

There's no correlation.

The Storm shouldn't have campaigned against it - remember the telethon ffs?

That was poor, but it doesn't help explain a lot of the other problems.

Sorrry, I'm lost. Explain how Robert Finch contributed to your salary cap rort?

He just contributes to wrecking the competition every weekend, so no he never contributed to that.

 

[mickdo]

But that's not my point. If the 9th placed team has played the Melbourne Storm twice, and lost twice. And the 8th placed team has played the Melbourne Storm once, say when they decide to rest players, and won, you're left in a situation where Melbourne Storm are affecting the competition. And for the example I'm making, say it's down to points difference. The "illegal team" stopping others from progressing is good, is it?

This season was affected by an illegal team the moment the Storm stepped onto the field in round 1. No matter what the NRL did, they were in a lose-lose situation. You can thank the Storm for that.

 

[Noa]

No-ones explained how they lose if they order the Storm to piss $700,000 of talent ASAP.

 

[stormbati]

Anyway, the question is not why Gallop didn't kno, it is WHY YOUR CLUB CHEATED IN THE FIRST PLACE???????

No the question is, why the hell did they keep evidence?

 

[mickdo]

No-ones explained how they lose if they order the Storm to piss $700,000 of talent ASAP.

Because then the teams that played the Storm already this year would have been affected by an illegal team, but those after they'd gotten rid of the $700k of talent wouldn't be. It's a moot point anyway... they were never going to allow them to make the finals this year after what they did, and nor should they.

 

[Noa]

4 teams being affected by an illegal team is better then 20

 

[Jose93]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...nesty-for-all-cap-breaches-20100426-tndo.html

Big problems for Mr Gallop coming up I hope.

The source further made the extraordinary claim that Mr Gallop told Mr Waldron a moratorium was not an option because if extensive details came out about breaches in the salary cap it would be too damaging to the sport's reputation.


And I hope that's the quote that will finish him off in time.

Still, I want answers in regards to the Fox Sports contract with Cameron Smith. Did Mr Gallop and his audit team know nothing about that as well? They never seemed to know a lot.

 

[mickdo]

4 teams being affected by an illegal team is better then 20

Totally disagree. The aim is to have an even competition. Having 4 teams (and it would be more than that anyway because it would take several weeks for them to shed players) affected as opposed to the entire comp is actually worse because it means some teams are being unfairly disadvantaged more than others INTENTIONALLY. At least with the Storm getting zero all year it is then the luck of the draw that determines who is affected by how much and when.

As I said anyway, it's irrelevant because the cheating scum do not deserve a chance to win the comp this year after what they have done. Now THAT would be the ultimate disgrace to the game.