Hindmarsh kept in the dark over sacking

[Suitman]

Disagree. The senior players know the squad as better than anyone. Hindy shouldn't be able to decide the coach. But the board should listen and respect what our most senior players say in regards to the coaching situation. Hindy and co are the ones out on the training paddock every week following the coaching staff's directions so they know better than anyone whether they're doing a solid job or not. The senior players in my opinion should be at least consulted as they are the ones who are going to be able to give to the information to the board about the positives and negatives about the current coaching style and structure. Hindy as a long term player would have a fair idea about the other players and what style of coaching they're best suited to, so why wouldn't they consult him?

Sorry. But, I'm old school.
Players play. Coaches coach.

Players are paid to play, and very well at that. They are not management and shouldn't have any decisive input into the coaching role.
Why? Because it undermines the authority of the coach.
I'm sick to death of Gen Y, z, x AND ALL THOSE OTHER GEN'S having their own say over discipline of themselves.
It's time to go back to the old days, and the level of authority playing its own role.
Hindmarsh is paid to be a football player and our captain. That is his role. End of story.
He's a legend. That's where his position and power should finish. His boss is his coach. He should answer to him.
As long as he fulfills his own role, he doesn't have an issue. It's up to HIS coach to fulfill HIS role.

Suity

 

[CrazyEel]

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LOL, well you've actually written something now so I agree with you 100%,

 

[Suitman]

Its obvious he doesnt have a say, otherwise DA would still be around ;-)

Hope your not alluding that he isnt allowed to voice his dissapointment for a coach he had fully supported and was told by the board was going to be the coach in 2011. Also more importantly setting a few things straight (regarding a mass player revolt against DA). Its something fans needed to hear rather than continued innuendo. Something voting members can also get a slight guide on how the board treats its senior players, legends at that.

Hindy is the heart and soul of the blue and Gold. He has earned the right to say it like it is, as does people like Lockyer at the Broncos, Gallan at the sharks etc. Otherwise you will just get cliche quotes

Do you know the enemy? Silence is the enemy

Mate, can't disagree with most of what you say, but there HAS to be a chain of command in any organisation. Otherwise, it's the old - "too many chiefs, not enough indians" scenario.

We need leadership. Sure, ask Hindy his opinion, but it needn't be agreed to.

 

[Suitman]

Gee that was enlightening, NOT

:?

Suity

 

[eels81236]

You know very well that's not what I said.
So, why say it?
No problems with you pushing your agenda, and more than happy to discuss it, but please, don't twist it to suit yourself. Otherwise, it all turns nasty.

Suity

Are you serious? :?
Re: the part in red. I don't believe I was implying that they were your personal thoughts. That is essentially what happened though wasn't it? Well, according to said sponsor in recent media articles it is. ;-)

Re: my "agenda". I notice that you've been away recently. I hope you have enjoyed your trip. Perhaps when you have gotten back into the swing of things and have read through the myriad of posts on the subject you will discover that I actually agreed that Ando's position was untenable. He simply could't coach here next year. It's just that I, like many others, was disappointed in the process. On that basis, I fail to see exactly what my agenda is.

Perhaps we are best not discussing agenda's, Suity, as that could just turn nasty. ;-)

Where did you get to? Come back with a tan?

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Agreed. The club captain and heart and soul of our team should have zero say in who he will be essentially working beside as his riole as captain. It should be the sponsors decision. Afterall, what does Hindy know compared to the pen pushers? :sarcasm:

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Also, there is a lot of protocol in all of this. Best to wait for the right time to pick your fights. No point getting caught up in a storm going nowhere. I guess there will be more to come, lets wait and see as this year closes in on its end.;-)

 

[Eels Dude]

Sorry. But, I'm old school.
Players play. Coaches coach.

Players are paid to play, and very well at that. They are not management and shouldn't have any decisive input into the coaching role.
Why? Because it undermines the authority of the coach.
I'm sick to death of Gen Y, z, x AND ALL THOSE OTHER GEN'S having their own say over discipline of themselves.
It's time to go back to the old days, and the level of authority playing its own role.
Hindmarsh is paid to be a football player and our captain. That is his role. End of story.
He's a legend. That's where his position and power should finish. His boss is his coach. He should answer to him.
As long as he fulfills his own role, he doesn't have an issue. It's up to HIS coach to fulfill HIS role.

Suity

Back in the old days we had captain/ coaches for the record. Because the captains and leading players often knew the rest of the players a lot better than an outsider coach did and so they often coached the side on their own. The coach is his boss, but in this day and age a great player is worth more than a great coach and unless you truly have a legendary coach, ie a Wayne Bennett, it would be ignorant thinking of a club to not consult their more experienced and best players over the head coaching role. You don't want to pick an inexperienced coach without the senior players opinions, just comes across unprofessional to me.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

where have the people who were making a mess in their pants over "the players wanting DA out" gone??

Think I'll take more notice of our most capped player and 2011 captain than I will of Timana Boohoo

Yes it's pretty funny. The nuffies on here who thought they knew all about the players opinions of DA. Glad hindy set the record straight.

 

[eels81236]

Agreed. The club captain and heart and soul of our team should have zero say in who he will be essentially working beside as his riole as captain. It should be the sponsors decision. Afterall, what does Hindy know compared to the pen pushers? :sarcasm:

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Well, to put it bluntly, thats just gone and f**ked my argument. :lol:

 

[mrpwnd]

"But it's not my job to pick the coach, it's the board's job."
Hindmarsh denied there was any rift between the players and the board over the decision.
"There's no real air to clear," he said.
"I would like Ando to stay but my job is to get out there and play rugby league again.
"The decision's been made, (you) kick stones for a couple of days but now it's time to get on with it."

Which part are you having trouble understanding?

You misunderstood me.
You seemed to be okay with Kearney simply because Hindy quoted Caylo's apparent wraps for him as a coach and are quick to push DA out of the question despite Hindy being a strong advocate for DAs stay before the initial sacking.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

This may surprise many, but its actually a very healthy sign when a team (whether it be football or a normal work environment) are close enough to know who they need as their coach or boss. Its often a method that if done properly with the right thought, is very successful.

Think of it this way, if the team choose the captain, that captain has the confidence to know that his team want him to lead them and it is usually the situation where if a player moves out of line and the captain has to pull his head in, the captain knows he has support and the player knows that the captain is there because everyone wants him there.

RE Kearny, the endorsement from Cayless is all I need.

 

[CrazyEel]

You misunderstood me.
You seemed to be okay with Kearney simply because Hindy quoted Caylo's apparent wraps for him as a coach and are quick to push DA out of the question despite Hindy being a strong advocate for DAs stay before the initial sacking.

No, I was OK with Kearney before but hearing Caylo's endorsement from playing under him at NZ I find re-assuring, is that OK?

As for pushing DA out, I am no different to Hindy; "The decision's been made, (you) kick stones for a couple of days but now it's time to get on with it."

 

[Eels Dude]

This may surprise many, but its actually a very healthy sign when a team (whether it be football or a normal work environment) are close enough to know who they need as their coach or boss. Its often a method that if done properly with the right thought, is very successful.

Think of it this way, if the team choose the captain, that captain has the confidence to know that his team want him to lead them and it is usually the situation where if a player moves out of line and the captain has to pull his head in, the captain knows he has support and the player knows that the captain is there because everyone wants him there.

RE Kearny, the endorsement from Cayless is all I need.

Yet Cayless won't be at the club next year... so his support of Kearney isn't really relevent.

 

[CrazyEel]

Yet Cayless won't be at the club next year... so his support of Kearney isn't really relevent.

No offence eels dude but I find Caylo's opinion on coaches far more relevant than anyone on this board, it's relevant to me because I value his opinion.

 

[mrpwnd]

No, I was OK with Kearney before but hearing Caylo's endorsement from playing under him at NZ I find re-assuring, is that OK?

As for pushing DA out, I am no different to Hindy; "The decision's been made, (you) kick stones for a couple of days but now it's time to get on with it."

Fair enough mate, just clarifying a few things.
For the record, and much to the dismay of everyone else I will continue to support the eels. Although I still question Kearney, time will tell.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Yet Cayless won't be at the club next year... so his support of Kearney isn't really relevent.

No offence eels dude but I find Caylo's opinion on coaches far more relevant than anyone on this board, it's relevant to me because I value his opinion.

Seeing as Cayless has played under Kearny, for him to tell Hindy in private that he rates him, thats more then enough for me.

 

[Eels Dude]

No offence eels dude but I find Caylo's opinion on coaches far more relevant than anyone on this board, it's relevant to me because I value his opinion.

Can't argue with you there. His opinion obviously has to be respected. But Cayless' short stint with a rep side under Kearney's control is a hell of a big difference to him being able to coach a first grade side week in week out and controlling recruitment and long term success. That's all I'm saying. Two completely different jobs.

 

[CrazyEel]

Fair enough mate, just clarifying a few things.
For the record, and much to the dismay of everyone else I will continue to support the eels. Although I still question Kearney, time will tell.

LOL, what do you mean "the dismay of everyone else"? No one wants you to stop supporting the eels or to stop posting on here. Your getting too sensitive now.

Say what you feel mate and don't worry about it. Doesn't mean you won't get a bit of return fire from time to time though

 

[CrazyEel]

Can't argue with you there. His opinion obviously has to be respected. But Cayless' short stint with a rep side under Kearney's control is a hell of a big difference to him being able to coach a first grade side week in week out and controlling recruitment and long term success. That's all I'm saying. Two completely different jobs.

I'm pretty comfortable that someone of Caylo's footie knowledge and experience fully understands that as well mate and I reckon he may have factored that into his assessment. As Tezza said, good enough for me.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Can't argue with you there. His opinion obviously has to be respected. But Cayless' short stint with a rep side under Kearney's control is a hell of a big difference to him being able to coach a first grade side week in week out and controlling recruitment and long term success. That's all I'm saying. Two completely different jobs.

Thats also true, but Kearney has been assisting week in and week out with the Storm, and most people know that assistant coaches usually have more interactions with the players then the head coach. Its not always that way, but it usually is.