Hollywood is at its worst in 50 years

[T.S Quint]

If Daredevil had the villain of the week formula it would be terrible.

Absolutely.
One of the best parts of the show was the slow reveal of Kingpin (he doesn't even show up until the end of episode 3, I think) and his story. More time spent on that character meant he worked so much better.
I saw one episode of Arrow with Deadshot in it, and he was just another guy with a gun. Not worth it.

Kingpin is probably the best villain the Marvel Universe has had apart from Loki.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Absolutely.
One of the best parts of the show was the slow reveal of Kingpin (he doesn't even show up until the end of episode 3, I think) and his story. More time spent on that character meant he worked so much better.
I saw one episode of Arrow with Deadshot in it, and he was just another guy with a gun. Not worth it.

Kingpin is probably the best villain the Marvel Universe has had apart from Loki.

we never saw the best of kingpin he was so much better in the comics
wesley on the other hand was awesome

 

[InFlames]

The 80s and 90s were the best eras for movies in my opinion.

I've only really seen two films this year that I would watch again, Gone Girl & Jurassic World. Perhaps I am not searching hard enough but the fact I could pick 5 movies from 1992 alone that I would prefer to watch than most stuff from the last few years proves my point (to me anyway).

 

[Bulldog Force]

I guess it depends what you're into, but the kids of today won't know how awesome the 80s and 90s were. I particularly LOVE cop buddy movies (white and black cop partners) and you don't see many good ones of them today - 80s and 90s were the pick of the lot.

Also, Hollywood has run out of ideas. The movies of yesteryear which were successful are continuously being rebooted in the hope of making some good dollar, but most of the reboots turn out to be failures (there are some exceptions, Jurassic World etc...) - but those old cop buddy movies which, sadly, are mainly sticking to VHS are my guilty pleasure.

 

[Bulldog Force]

22 facts about the Terminator movies (mainly 2): http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84649609/

 

[elyod138]

Hollywood has always mostly been full of shit, we just don't remember the shit from decades ago, it gets forgotten. Sure, there is a dearth of great Hollywood films coming out but the majority of releases have always been pieces of shit.

Look deeper than Hollywood if you want to see good movies.

 

[T.S Quint]

Exactly, there is shit released every year going back to when movies first started being made.
It's the same with music - people talk about how music was so much better back when and there is only crap released now, but you only remember the good stuff. Some of the absolute crap music released in the 60's, 70's and 80's was incredibly popular.

 

[InFlames]

I'm referring to the amount decent films vs bad ones. My point is the bad far outweighs the good today..

Take a further look at my example of films in just 1992.

Wayne's World
Leathal Weapon 3
Malcom X
A Few Good Men
Reservoir Dogs
Champions (Mighty Ducks)
Universal Soldier
Aladdin
A River Runs Through It
Home Alone 2
Bram Stroker's Dracula

Thats a pretty good mix of all genres at only a pinch. I'm not sure theres a comparable amount of films from this year that have even drawn me in enough to sit down and watch them. The two films at the top of the marquee at my local cinema at the moment are Magic Mike XXL and Minions...

 

[chrisD]

Movies are on the up, television on the decline.

 

[T.S Quint]

You're considering Mighty Ducks, Home ALone 2 and Universal Soldier in the 'good' category?
How excited would you be to see them if they were released today? Probably not much. Bram Stoker's Dracula is ok, but not something to get excited about. Lethal Weapon 3 is the equivalent of Jurassic World or Terminator Genisys. Another sequel of diminishing returns. Rather average actually (actually JW was better than LW3).
Honestly, the only truly great movies in your list would be Reservoir Dogs, Malcolm X, A Few Good Men (which may even be debateable for some) and Aladdin.

How is Minions any different to Mighty Ducks? It's a kids movie.

Fact is there are more bad movies these days because there are simply more movies made these days.
A lot of the good ones never actually see the inside of a cinema, but they are out there. A lot of good ones actually do make it to the cinema.

 

[T.S Quint]

Here are some movies I would consider great or (even just good) released in the last year and a half:

Mad Max: Fury Road
Inside Out
Mr Holmes
Whiplash
Birdman
Django Unchained
12 Years a Slave
Kingsman: The Secret Service
Interstellar
The Lego Movie
Gone Girl
Guardians of the Galaxy
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Big Hero 6
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Boyhood
Fury
John Wick
Edge of Tomorrow

I could easily list more. That's a fairly diverse list in terms of genres - you have comedy (Lego; Grand Budapest), serious drama (Boyhood; Gone Girl), dumb fun action (John Wick; Mad Max), comic-book action (X-Men; Guardians), war (Fury), kids (Inside Out; Lego), intelligent sci-fi (Interstellar)....what else could you want?

 

[Bulldog Force]

You're considering Mighty Ducks, Home ALone 2 and Universal Soldier in the 'good' category?

Of course they are.

 

[InFlames]

Here are some movies I would consider great or (even just good) released in the last year and a half:

Mad Max: Fury Road
Inside Out
Mr Holmes
Whiplash
Birdman
Django Unchained
12 Years a Slave
Kingsman: The Secret Service
Interstellar
The Lego Movie
Gone Girl
Guardians of the Galaxy
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Big Hero 6
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Boyhood
Fury
John Wick
Edge of Tomorrow

I could easily list more. That's a fairly diverse list in terms of genres - you have comedy (Lego; Grand Budapest), serious drama (Boyhood; Gone Girl), dumb fun action (John Wick; Mad Max), comic-book action (X-Men; Guardians), war (Fury), kids (Inside Out; Lego), intelligent sci-fi (Interstellar)....what else could you want?

Ofcourse you could list more, as could I. If I'm honest I wouldn't list Inside Out or The Grand Budapest Hotel in the good category either but then that's as subjective as the rest of this thread.

Fact is there are more bad movies these days because there are simply more movies made these days.
A lot of the good ones never actually see the inside of a cinema, but they are out there. A lot of good ones actually do make it to the cinema.

So if a lot of the good movies don't make it to the cinema then wouldn't that imply a larger ratio of bad films having cinema releases? I'll certainly be checking out some of the films you listed but how much garbage would the average joe wait and wander through until one of those pops up?

The 80s and 90s are simply my personal preference on films anyway. Now to download Interstellar...

 

[chrisD]

On the whole the problem with movies these days is that they're too long. Shit just drags, they take five scenes to do what used to be done in one. I might enjoy the marvel movies if they went for a maximum of 1 hour and 45 minutes, that's more than enough for a jovial cartoony action romp. Kingsman is the worst offender I've seen lately, there's no justification for that movie going for over two hours. I wonder if it's an american value conscious thing, or if it's just every director thinks they're making the modern godfather.

 

[T.S Quint]

I would put the worst offender of that crime would be the Transformers sequels.
The first one is not great by any means, but at under 2 hours it makes for an entertaining enough distraction.
The sequels on the other hand have become more bloated as they go on. The 4th one went for over 2 and a half hours! I was so bored by that move, it was just the same scenes over and over again with no real plot to make up for it.

Asong as a movie can stay interesting then I don't care how long it goes for. Interstellar isn't short, but it held my attention for every second of it's running time.

 

[T.S Quint]

Ofcourse you could list more, as could I. If I'm honest I wouldn't list Inside Out or The Grand Budapest Hotel in the good category either but then that's as subjective as the rest of this thread.



So if a lot of the good movies don't make it to the cinema then wouldn't that imply a larger ratio of bad films having cinema releases? I'll certainly be checking out some of the films you listed but how much garbage would the average joe wait and wander through until one of those pops up?

The 80s and 90s are simply my personal preference on films anyway. Now to download Interstellar...

Maybe it's the fact that moviegoers are just f**king stupid these says. The movies that make the most money seem to have the simplest plots tied in with massive action scenes. Which is fine, dumb movies have been making money for a century. But because ticket prices are so expensive these days people don't get to go as often. So they will wait for the small drama to come in DVD/Netflix but save the big screen for the big action movie.
Thus it seems that that's all that people want to watch. I know I'm a bit guilty of this myself.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Of course they are.

x2 they are all awesome films esp mighty ducks

 

[chrisD]

I would put the worst offender of that crime would be the Transformers sequels.
The first one is not great by any means, but at under 2 hours it makes for an entertaining enough distraction.
The sequels on the other hand have become more bloated as they go on. The 4th one went for over 2 and a half hours! I was so bored by that move, it was just the same scenes over and over again with no real plot to make up for it.

Asong as a movie can stay interesting then I don't care how long it goes for. Interstellar isn't short, but it held my attention for every second of it's running time.

I haven't bothered with the latest transformers since the first.

Interstellar had the whole chase the drone thing that went for like twenty minutes for minimal character exposition or world building. The whole start was bloated and then they stumble on the facility and it's like someone hits fast forward and he's off on the ship in comparatively no time.

In general I include Nolan as suffering from the too long disease.

Mad Max was refreshing in this regard.

 

[roostersrule2]

They chased the drone for literally two minutes tops.

 

[mongoose]

I think its mostly blockbuster type movies that have really become bad. They are either remakes or marvel/dc based movies. The action genre has been woeful for over a decade now as well. Did Fast and Furious really need 6 sequels? Christopher Nolan seems to be the only director in the last 10 years who is making original and thoughtful big budget blockbuster films.